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originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: introvert
I think the rest of us are discussing the topic of environmentalism and its association with national socialism and earlier German philosophical movements rather than just attempting to refute whether national socialists were socialists.
rather than just attempting to refute whether national socialists were socialists.
originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: introvert
Modern Leftists believe in socialism.
Modern Leftists believe in environmental issues.
Modern leftists seek to impose their beliefs upon others.
NAZI's sought to impose their belief upon others.
Modern Leftists are theocrats and comparable to Nazis.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: Semicollegiate
The rather fatal flaw with your point being the assumption that the market value is most desirable value to be attained and that this will allow work and resources to be assigned successfully (for any given value of successfully),
For what it's worth, I am sure that you would not call the up and coming threat of eco-totalitarianism truly "socialist" by your own biased definition.
originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: ScepticScot
I was thinking of imigrating to Scotland but I can't understand you guys and of course ...Haguss.
Unfortunately you didn't vote for independence and I KNOW the UK wouldn't let me keep my M14...
originally posted by: ScepticScot
a reply to: introvert
The problem is that for extreme libertarians there only is two political ideologies. Libertarianism and evil big government trying to steal my money, property, guns, women folk, goldfish, favourite jumper and collection of 1930's baseball cards.
When you look at it from that point of view equating environmentalism and fascism is perfectly logical.
Fascists saw World War I as a revolution. It brought revolutionary changes in the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of total war and total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilian and combatant
Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[
One common definition of fascism focuses on three concepts: the fascist negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism; nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership.[26]
originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: Semicollegiate
a reply to: introvert
Modern Leftists believe in socialism.
Modern Leftists believe in environmental issues.
Modern leftists seek to impose their beliefs upon others.
NAZI's sought to impose their belief upon others.
Modern Leftists are theocrats and comparable to Nazis.
Modern Leftists are anti-theocracy and to say that all Leftists want to impose their beliefs upon others in a generalization logical fallacy.
How can we discuss the issues intelligently when you cannot even approach the issue without resorting to ignorant fallacies?
originally posted by: neo96
The environmentalists want a revolution.
Fascists saw World War I as a revolution. It brought revolutionary changes in the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of total war and total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilian and combatant
Anyone who disagrees with climate change has basically been declared a enemy combatant. All be it not in those exact words.
Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[
This is EXACTLY what the climate change/green movement want. They are pushing protectionist, and economic interventionism.
One common definition of fascism focuses on three concepts: the fascist negations of anti-liberalism, anti-communism and anti-conservatism; nationalist authoritarian goals of creating a regulated economic structure to transform social relations within a modern, self-determined culture; and a political aesthetic of romantic symbolism, mass mobilization, a positive view of violence, and promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership.[26]
The green movement/climate change movement is as anti liberalism as it gets.
And it takes 'nationalism authoritarianism to world wide levels.
en.wikipedia.org...
Seeing what the climate change proponents pushing is truly frightening.
And it is wholly comparable to fascism.