NAZI GREENS - An Inconvenient History • Martin Durkin

a reply to: GENERAL EYES

True environmentalism is an individual effort. Once you give the state complete control over the environment it is nothing short of authoritarianism. They have say over all matters of life and resources based on the rehashed and rebranded guise of "sustainability".

I think people are coming at this in a bit of a knee jerk fashion. To care for the environment, sustainability etc is admirable. To use that as the reasoning for handing over authority to the state is why OP is drawing the comparison . As he mentions above this is just a new form of rhetoric with the same goals. Control. The state can perform any number of actions (mass cullings?,relocations, eugenics, sterilization, taxation, land grabbing etc) all for the benign (and vague)reasoning of making a better planet or sustainable management. Whatever that may be.

It is suggested that environmentalism could be the best vehicle for NWO. It is also suggested it can turn into a religion too as a double whammy of control.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
The state can perform any number of actions (mass cullings?,relocations, eugenics, sterilization, taxation, land grabbing etc) all for the benign (and vague)reasoning of making a better planet or sustainable management. Whatever that may be.

Makes the NAZIs not seem so bad...lol

a reply to: ScepticScot

I would argue that socialism is not the reasoning for this high standard of living you tout but instead homogenization, limited immigration and higher education are the true driving force here. Any homogeneous country that operates with some form of capitalism and has an educated public is bound to be a utopia . We could easily point out the numerous failed socialist states of South America and the low standards of living there. They are somewhat homogeneous but lack education. Just my 2cents on that.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Would you not agree that there is some middle ground between individual action and mass culls by the state?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
We could easily point out the numerous failed socialist states of South America and the low standards of living there. They are somewhat homogeneous but lack education. Just my 2cents on that.

Which would those be? Most South American contries are capitalist. Other than Cuba (though not technically south american) and Venezuela you have nothing to point at.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Of course. Like I said as an individual mindset and obligation to be mindful of the environment is commendable its when the two combine forces that is a recipe for disaster. Western environmentalism could even be seen as a driving condition for the underdevelopment of many nations and a source of income and outcome inequality in 2nd and 3rd world nations.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: ScepticScot

I would argue that socialism is not the reasoning for this high standard of living you tout but instead homogenization, limited immigration and higher education are the true driving force here. Any homogeneous country that operates with some form of capitalism and has an educated public is bound to be a utopia

. We could easily point out the numerous failed socialist states of South America and the low standards of living there. They are somewhat homogeneous but lack education. Just my 2cents on that.

And the provider of eduction is overwhelmingly the state. The countries with the highest standard of living are generally those with some consensus about the positive role of the state. Many South American countries do not have strong democratic traditions and have inconsistently applied social and economic polices veering from left to right.

a reply to: ScepticScot

To paraphrase Washington AP Bureau Chief Byron Price, "all politics is local (and should stay that way)".

So yes, absent any overarching administration, we can individually experiment within our immediate surroundings with whatever ecological hypotheses we may have. No central control is necessary or helpful.

As it happens, private individuals are much better stewards of resources, including land, than the federal government.

a reply to: greencmp

Really... I'm entirely sick of being demonized by right-wing propaganda. Those of you stupid enough to buy this garbage are what's really wrong with America and the lot of you can kiss my socialist ass.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Here in the US, our quality of education has dramatically fallen under the control of the department of education in the 40 years since its inception.

Education is the life blood of a liberal society and it has been handed on a platter to socialist totalitarians who hold our children hostage.

Literacy has fallen and professional diversity has suffered as a direct result of public education.

a reply to: Kali74

Hey Kali!



Seriously though, I wouldn't mind hearing your thoughts on this analysis.

a reply to: greencmp

Still doing much better than countries where it's an individual choice.

To be clear NAZIS were capable of good ideas,quite a few.
LEADERSHIP failed them.
Can't keep kicking Germans and not give them their due.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I could argue this either way really. Traditionally religion has been the primary educating force in the world. When we look at modern education it is derived from *gasp* Germany

We cant say socialism failed somewhere because "they dont have the right mindset" or "democratic traditions". Really what does democracy have to do with socialist statism besides being a trojan horse?

a reply to: daskakik

It has been on a steady downward trend since it was nationalized.

That means, if my assertion is to be accepted, that it would have been better if left alone.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: ScepticScot

By the failure of every socialism ever as well as the coming failures of the "third way" experiments such as scandinavia.

The only argument left for socialists is geo-ecological and they are putting their big guns on deck for the seige.

You've lost the plot mate

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: greencmp

Really... I'm entirely sick of being demonized by right-wing propaganda. Those of you stupid enough to buy this garbage are what's really wrong with America and the lot of you can kiss my socialist ass.

So nothing of note to add to the discussion? Must be a theocratic witch hunt going on in another thread....

a reply to: greencmp

To what end? More round and round? No thanks. The truth is you believe this crap because you want to. It's a whole lot easier to justify to yourself, hating us, if we're evil... right?

a reply to: Kali74

I didn't write the article and I'm not alone. I have close friends who I do this to (to a lesser extent) in person so consider yourself lucky to be able to close the frame.

I don't pretend that this isn't provocative but, if the similarities aren't just coincidental, it deserves to be inspected.