The Right Wing has a new favorite Presidential Candidate

a reply to: muse7

I have said it probably 1000 times by now.

I do not nor will I ever support robbing from the rich, and giving to the poor so they can go out, and buy more stuff.

NEVER in a million YEARS will I support it.

He supports a marginal tax rate of 90% on the wealthiest Americans. Just like how it was back when we were living under the rule of the radical socialist Dwight D. Eisenhower.

First off the value of the dollar was more.

Second off there were less government programs with less people on them.

That was at a time when the rest of the world was still living at second,and third class levels.

As the rest of the world has modernized, and lifted themselves to first world status.

Sanders' plan is just ridiculous.

The only thing he is going to do is put more people out of work, and more dependent on government programs.

Free education ?

Are you kidding me ? Diploma's won't be worth the paper they are printed on. But hey ?

Them teacher unions will be making out like fatcats.

Raising the minimum wage translates to higher social security, and medicare contributions employers will have to be shelling out.

The biggest winner there is the federal state since the tax rate is PROGRESSIVE.

Meaning the more someone makes the more the state collects in income taxes.

I want no part of Sanders delusions.

a reply to: muse7

i actuallly totally agree with you on that........

It truly is the end of the world!

originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: muse7

I have said it probably 1000 times by now.

I do not nor will I ever support robbing from the rich, and giving to the poor so they can go out, and buy more stuff.

NEVER in a million YEARS will I support it.

He supports a marginal tax rate of 90% on the wealthiest Americans. Just like how it was back when we were living under the rule of the radical socialist Dwight D. Eisenhower.

First off the value of the dollar was more.

Second off there were less government programs with less people on them.

That was at a time when the rest of the world was still living at second,and third class levels.

As the rest of the world has modernized, and lifted themselves to first world status.

Sanders' plan is just ridiculous.

The only thing he is going to do is put more people out of work, and more dependent on government programs.

Free education ?

Are you kidding me ? Diploma's won't be worth the money they are printed on. But hey ?

Them teacher unions will be making out like fatcats.

Raising the minimum wage translates to higher social security, and medicare contributions employers will have to be shelling out.

The biggest winner there is the federal state since the tax rate is PROGRESSIVE.

Meaning the more someone makes the more the state collects in income taxes.

I want no part of Sanders delusions.

But let me guess, you would have no problems at all with less regulation on the workplace, getting rid of the minimum wage, more tax breaks for the rich and billionaires, less wall street regulation and more corporate welfare right?

Hey those big corporations need incentives to keep hiring right? You love to go on these rants about how the poor are robbing the rich, yet the income of the top 10% of the wealthiest americans is at an all time high so how exactly are they getting robbed?

Do you also have a problem with how the rich rob the middle class by using tax loopholes?

You accuse Bernie Sanders of wanting to rob the rich, but here you are promoting what sounds to me like Economic Feudalism. You and your ilk have managed to fool millions of Americans into becoming mindless vassals by giving them horse and pony shows. By promising them to protect them against those evil foreigners and homosexuals, creating fake scandals over abortions, and warning them against "Socialism".

The modern GOP and Neocons have created a vast of people that want nothing more than for the GOP to protect them against fake boogeymen, foreigners and gays and to lower taxes on the rich so the wealth can trickle down.

A modern Feudal state.

How has that worked out for us?

The death of America will come fast when we accept economic and socioeconomic policies that put us in a race to the bottom with China and India.

originally posted by: neo96
I tell ya what people ?

Now that Boehner is out a relatively 'moderate'.

You just may be looking at a Trump nomination.

Just maybe be looking at a Trump presidency too.

Careful what you wish for people.

You just might get it.

Damn would I need a lot of popcorn to watch that show...

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: muse7

i actuallly totally agree with you on that........

It truly is the end of the world!

I respect true conservatives and anyone with half a brain knows that these current Republicans are anything BUT conservatives.

a reply to: muse7

But let me guess, you would have no problems at all with less regulation on the workplace, getting rid of the minimum wage, more tax breaks for the rich and billionaires, less wall street regulation and more corporate welfare right?

Hey FREE MARKET!

The market dictates wage, and benefits as it should, Competition creates incentives that makes goods cheaper, better ,and higher pay to keep people working.

Hey those big corporations need incentives to keep hiring right? You love to go on these rants about how the poor are robbing the rich, yet the income of the top 10% of the wealthiest americans is at an all time high so how exactly are they getting robbed?

That is how NEW wealth gets created instead of just recycling it.

It is UNACCEPTABLE to target a minority of American Citizens by the majority to pay for their every little hearts desire, and VIOLATING their 14th amendment rights.

TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

Do you also have a problem with how the rich rob the middle class by using tax loopholes?

The middle class gets the same tax credit,tax rebates, and LOOPEHOLES. Stop trying to act like they don't get them because they do.

You accuse Bernie Sanders of wanting to rob the rich, but here you are promoting what sounds to me like Economic Feudalism. You and your ilk have managed to fool millions of Americans into becoming mindless vassals by giving them horse and pony shows. By promising them to protect them against those evil foreigners and homosexuals, creating fake scandals over abortions, and warning them against "Socialism".

Aint that what Sander supporters are doing ?

The modern GOP and Neocons have created a vast of people that want nothing more than for the GOP to protect them against fake boogeymen, foreigners and gays and to lower taxes on the rich so the wealth can trickle down.

We all know trickle up doesn't work, but that doesn't stop the richphobes keep trying the same failed ideology.

The death of America will come fast when we accept economic and socioeconomic policies that put us in a race to the bottom with China and India.

Which Sanders will fast track.

People need to ask them why goods are cheaper to make over in China, and have them shipped back here than to have the same things made here.

That is because of Sanders, and his supporters ideology.

Understand that everyone in this country right now is paying more for the labor for goods, and services than what it actually costs to make, and provide.

Think about it.

Sanders and his 18 trillion dollar delusion is the death of this country from there is no returning.

Once the state collapses what happens to the people ?

a reply to: neo96

When did it work the best?
As is when was the market the freest and worked like you say?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: neo96

When did it work the best?
As is when was the market the freest and worked like you say?

Pre 1913.

Of course people are free to support regulation.

As it is as FASCIST as it gets.

I would like to see Carly take up the mantle. I have some pretty severe disagreements with her stances in some areas,but she seems capable enough. it would also really screw up the lefts narrative thats been prepared about sexism and women empowerment, etc...(especially if Bernie Sanders gets the nomination. they have already sewn the "vote for the woman" mentality in low info voters assuming hillary would be a shoein)

Ted Cruz is a throw away nomination they know will lose...I honestly believe repubs want to win this time around and will go with the most possible candidate.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: neo96

When did it work the best?
As is when was the market the freest and worked like you say?

Pre 1913.

Of course people are free to support regulation.

As it is as FASCIST as it gets.

Ah the free market romantic. Back when only women and children had jobs since men were too expensive. The good old days.

The unregulated free market was a disaster for the common person. There was no control of greed and money bought the courts. Factories literally had no men working in them and child labor was normal.

I think Sanders economic policies would be a disaster but he would never get them through Congress. So he would have to compromise.

As far as education being free....admissions and cost are not related. He isn't advocating letting anyone into any school. Education access being free only raises the workforce level of training. It's been shown over and over again. It's the opposite of a handout. You still do the work and you still have to make the grades to get in.

I could literally list hundreds of problems with the pre 1913 economy and social effects of having almost no regulation and so can every economist in the country. The market did not take care of itself....and taxes were very very high.

I am closest to Rand Paul in the race but, having read two treaties on government (Locke) Roseau and Hume as well as our forefathers I can say with some certainty they never meant the free market to be unregulated. They were most suspicious of banking (federal reserve was a no no) and so am I. What happened with the trusts was a result of no refulation.

originally posted by: muse7

He supports a marginal tax rate of 90% on the wealthiest Americans. Just like how it was back when we were living under the rule of the radical socialist Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Hey wait.

FDR had the tax rate up to 94% I think.

And the deductions were plentiful.

And don't forget Eisenhower had to deal with a Democrat majority Congress for 6 of his 8 years.

a reply to: neo96

The left loves war too did ya miss libya ?

How many people did we lose in Libya? How long did it last?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Can someone tell me why a right wing fanatic is worse than a left wing fanatic?

left-wing fanatic?.....where is one?... and qualify your evidence....the only left-wing fanatic I know about is Noam Chomsky, and he is not allowed to be on television, plus, he is a pretty laid back guy for a fanatic, but, he is definitely left-wing.....EDIT:...besides the socialist Bernie Sanders.

a reply to: neo96

Competition creates incentives that makes goods cheaper, better ,and higher pay to keep people working.

So people in China and Mexico where the capitalist have moved the jobs are getting paid more?

It is UNACCEPTABLE to target a minority of American Citizens by the majority to pay for their every little hearts desire, and VIOLATING their 14th amendment rights.

The 14th has to do with slavery and civil rights it has nothing to do with taxing greedy people.

The middle class gets the same tax credit,tax rebates, and LOOPEHOLES. Stop trying to act like they don't get them because they do.

If you believe this then you are delusional. The middle class cannot afford to have tax lawyers and accounts to find all the loopholes they can use like the wealthy can afford. Also many of the tax loopholes have to do with investing which the middle class cannot afford to do

We all know trickle up doesn't work, but that doesn't stop the richphobes keep trying the same failed ideology.

Every economic boom we have had in this country has always been due to trickle up. It is when we went to the failed trickle down which has never worked that this nations economy went to hell.

People need to ask them why goods are cheaper to make over in China, and have them shipped back here than to have the same things made here.

People with brains already knows the answer to that because China's workers have no rights they are virtually slaves. That's why companies like Walmart gets their crap made there so they can pay people 20 bucks a week.

originally posted by: jimmyx

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Can someone tell me why a right wing fanatic is worse than a left wing fanatic?

left-wing fanatic?.....where is one?... and qualify your evidence....the only left-wing fanatic I know about is Noam Chomsky, and he is not allowed to be on television, plus, he is a pretty laid back guy for a fanatic, but, he is definitely left-wing.....EDIT:...besides the socialist Bernie Sanders.

Its largely a matter of perspective. I see plenty of left-wing fanatics in the federal government at the moment. Ironically, I actually *don't* include Bernie Sanders in the worst of the worst, because at least he's honest about it, unlike many of them. I have a degree of respect for him for that, even if I disagree with him.

The problem with all of these candidates, left right or center, and the reason there will always be so much controversy about them is that none of them represent the majority of the constituency any more.

I don't think we will see the people of this country come together in any great percentage until we are presented with a candidate who not only says the words we need to hear, but truly believes them. When elected officials look straight into a news camera and say they know how the majority of their constituents feel but they are voting the opposite anyway, this government has a serious problem. And that problem is getting handed down time and time again.

Making matters even worse is this reality tv world we live in where in order to be cutting edge you have to be more over the top than the last guy was. So far, that is about the only explanation I can come up with for Hillary's bizarre behavior. Its showbiz and its all about the ratings. Any publicity is good publicity. Get famous for being famous. We may as well just get it over with once and for an elect a kardashian. Obama proved its not about skilled politicians, its about riding the pc progressive look-how-cool-I-am-voting-for-a-black-guy wave. Just substitute ~black guy~ with whatever the flavor of the day is and repeat four years later. That is no basis for a system of government.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
We may as well just get it over with once and for an elect a kardashian. Obama proved its not about skilled politicians, its about riding the pc progressive look-how-cool-I-am-voting-for-a-black-guy wave. Just substitute ~black guy~ with whatever the flavor of the day is and repeat four years later. That is no basis for a system of government.

Isn't that what the GOP is trying with The Donald? Basically just a rich entertainer.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
We may as well just get it over with once and for an elect a kardashian. Obama proved its not about skilled politicians, its about riding the pc progressive look-how-cool-I-am-voting-for-a-black-guy wave. Just substitute ~black guy~ with whatever the flavor of the day is and repeat four years later. That is no basis for a system of government.

Isn't that what the GOP is trying with The Donald? Basically just a rich entertainer.

Errmmmm....yes and no. I would put the Donald way ahead of all the kardashians combined in just about any context except sex tapes... and I am VERY happy to say that... As much of a cartoon character as he is, he is still a far better politician than any kardashian could ever be. God, this is depressing...

originally posted by: neo96
I tell ya what people ?

Now that Boehner is out a relatively 'moderate'.

You just may be looking at a Trump nomination.

Just maybe be looking at a Trump presidency too.

Careful what you wish for people.

You just might get it.

Arrgghh........NO! NO! NO! PLEASE......NO!

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Vroomfondel
We may as well just get it over with once and for an elect a kardashian. Obama proved its not about skilled politicians, its about riding the pc progressive look-how-cool-I-am-voting-for-a-black-guy wave. Just substitute ~black guy~ with whatever the flavor of the day is and repeat four years later. That is no basis for a system of government.

Isn't that what the GOP is trying with The Donald? Basically just a rich entertainer.

Errmmmm....yes and no. I would put the Donald way ahead of all the kardashians combined in just about any context except sex tapes... and I am VERY happy to say that... As much of a cartoon character as he is, he is still a far better politician than any kardashian could ever be. God, this is depressing...

It is depressing and worse......you left out my favorite
PARIS HILTON FOR PRESIDENT!