Turning our backs on Islam.

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: tony9802

erm little harsh there don't you think? sheeesh!

I'm just poking fun and saying what no one else is willing to say..if eventually the islamic faith becomes a vehicle of physical confrontation, where I must defend myself my friends and family, then I will have been forced to think and act, and to respond in hostile violent terms..

Only the monarchs of old long passed of very long ago, do understand me..


It feels good to remove the infiltrator's feeling from the heart and body..




p.s. no unkindness intended to the refugees, it's just that there is an islamic agenda behind this entire escapade, and it is oh so obvious..

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: tony9802

erm little harsh there don't you think? sheeesh!

I read your reply and of course agreed with it, but then I had a stray thought wander by. Communication is always more successful when you speak to people in their own language...

Reason and appeals to sensibility have not exactly been productive to this point. I hate to even ask the question, but will it actually be necessary to respond to them in kind in order to get their full attention and settle on more reasonable resolution to the issues we are facing?

...Scary thought...

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin


Not all Muslims are bad, obviously-just like all catholic elders are not child molesters and not all televangelists are batcrap crazy.

We only see the bad side because those with vested interests want us to see. I have challenged and have even derided certain beliefs, but that doesn't mean that my thoughts expand to the religious community in general.

Exploiting ones faith is one of the biggest challenges as I see it. 'God fearing' folk are constantly kept in a state of fear and it's working perfectly. Do we call the Amish luddites and suggest they are building a stockpile of manure to bomb the electricity grid? No-that's just silly. However Ann Coulter makes laughable claims all the time but yet we cannot stick a sock in her mouth because that's stifling free speech.

Free speech is grand to those who dictate free speech. The pot cannot call the kettle black anymore.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: tony9802

erm little harsh there don't you think? sheeesh!

I read your reply and of course agreed with it, but then I had a stray thought wander by. Communication is always more successful when you speak to people in their own language...

Reason and appeals to sensibility have not exactly been productive to this point. I hate to even ask the question, but will it actually be necessary to respond to them in kind in order to get their full attention and settle on more reasonable resolution to the issues we are facing?


...Scary thought...

Please see my comments above..

While you are searching for those comments, I remind you to read monarchical history, and understand that the kingdom of Islam has always wanted to invade the northern lands.. they know an opportunity when they see it..



I would merely repatriate the lads, I would not need them to suffer under fire..

why does it seem that the middle eastern Muslim countries need a brutal dictator or regime to have stability?....am I missing something?....or am I just naïve of the governance there?

a reply to: Thecakeisalie

That may be so, but you will all be tarred with the same brush, unless that group deal with their internal problems themselves or at least seen to be doing so. If Catholics want to change their image from paedophile priests, its down to them to do something about it, which I believe they are trying to do. If Muslims want to change their image of western hating terrorists it is down to them to do it, not us. We can't. We are not in a position to do so. Change has to come from within. If more of us in say UK saw news reports of British Muslims campaigning protesting and the like, then attitudes would change. British moderate muslims are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are damned by the extremists as "not really muslim" or apostates, and damned by the indigenous population as supporting terrorism. But again, change is slow

a reply to: jimmyx

It is what they know and what they have always had. Its all about control and Islam is all about control. Its a way of life for them especially as they no nothing else. Until the invention of the internet, how much access do you think some of these countries populations had to the outside world? China was exactly the same

originally posted by: jimmyx
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

the real fear in western Europe (and not talked about in polite company) is the fear of the "Caucasian European" being bred out of existence within a few generations

I don't think it's merely a question of outbreeding northerners, I believe there is a desire to remove, entirely out of existence, everything european: the mueseums, the literature, the cathedrals- do you see how they casually destroy the roman monuments at Palmyra..?

An invasion will include the destruction of european monuments, libraries, everything it stands for essentially.. They will steal from famous mueseums, entirely assault, pillage and plunder.. unless we do something about it..I think this is why we were given Nostradamus..he warns us to do something about it..


Already there was a frenchman beheaded by a muslim on his own soil..

originally posted by: jimmyx
why does it seem that the middle eastern Muslim countries need a brutal dictator or regime to have stability?....am I missing something?....or am I just naïve of the governance there?

They are all governed by Sharia Law..there are perhaps two nations in the levant, that are actually democracies and those two are near Israel.. that is Jordan and Lebanon; Although Iraq was some sort of Socialist nation, most of the countries of the middle east, are all under Sharia.. the dictator then is their book, or at least the interpretation of that book;


It's too bad no one in Hollywood has made a serious movie about Islam up until now, a movie about living under sharia for example..

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: tony9802

erm little harsh there don't you think? sheeesh!

I read your reply and of course agreed with it, but then I had a stray thought wander by. Communication is always more successful when you speak to people in their own language...

Reason and appeals to sensibility have not exactly been productive to this point. I hate to even ask the question, but will it actually be necessary to respond to them in kind in order to get their full attention and settle on more reasonable resolution to the issues we are facing?


...Scary thought...

Please see my comments above..

While you are searching for those comments, I remind you to read monarchical history, and understand that the kingdom of Islam has always wanted to invade the northern lands.. they know an opportunity when they see it..



I would merely repatriate the lads, I would not need them to suffer under fire..

Repatriating only works if they are willing to accept it. If not, its just a new location to start the same war all over again.

I want to make it clear I am not suggesting we treat them as cruelly as they treat others. Far from it. I am asking the question, what if that is the only thing that would get through to them? If it is, then we are in trouble because I don't see us beheading people and videotaping it for propaganda purposes or burning people alive. Which goes full circle to the original question. What if the only way to get through to these people is to be as cruel as they are - which is something we simply will not do. In other words, we will never find any level of understanding that leads to something productive.

People don´t recognize that they are fooled all the time, and religions/cults are a tool to fool them, beside many other tools like that Leftwinger and Rightwinger stuff for example.
How many thousands of years will "civilized" mankind need to mention that there is no allmighty bearded old man living in heaven that is throwing flashes down to earth if he is angry? How many thousands of years yet of being fooled by the tool called religion, just to divide mankind and make people kill each other?
If mankind is able to use it´s brain again without influence of religions/cults, so called gods and prophets (that never showed or will show up themselves or their power to mankind, but every religion has more than enough laughable excuses for this fact), many , many problems in our world would be solved.
Just take the tool religion out of the hands from powerfull people, and they have one possibility less to control people!

And the other thing is, did we have any problems with muslims before 9/11, in that dimeniosn that is is since 9/11 ???
They try to make us hate the muslims here in the "civilized" western world since 9/11, what only works for lowminded people that never in their life had contact to muslim people. Maybe to buy a Döner, but not more.
I am a born german, grown up with all kinds and colours of people. It was said that i am catholic, and it was said that many of my friends are muslim. But nobody of us ever believed that Bs, we laughed about the elders how they run into churches and mosques, synagogues or budhist temples, praying to thin air.
And that never changed for all of us, we don´t hate each other, just because we don´t believe in that religion Bs.
And we all can read, listen, watch and learn from history, so we all know who is responsible for the worldsitutaion nowadays.
It´s greedy people, because of their wealth really powerfull people, it´s the banksters, it´s for example the corporations that are more powerfull than most states in this world, that make their own rules and laws with their puppets, so called politics, the media and with religions.
And we in the western world know, at least the self thinking people, who is responsible for this, where the greedy people are based that build the top of the pyramide, the kings of theft-capitalism.
It´s not russia, it´s not china, it´s not the EU(they are "just" henchmen), it´s not the near, middle or far east.
To be honest, we all know that it is the anglo-american empire who is causing many of the problems in the world, it´s the Five Eye states, headed by the US shadow "government" behind the curtains, the greedy and powerfull individuals.
The puppetmasters are based in the US, and playing their puppets around the globe, causing damage to earth and people.
Just wanna give you an example how "impartial", how "independent" the most known german "journalists" are.
Almost all of them are member of the Atlantik-Brücke
Here comes a list of them:
List of german kournalists being member of the Atlantik-Brücke

Thats just one example how they try to make the western world hate all muslims in this world, for US(greedy circles) benefits.
By propaganda, by lies, by fearmongering, by spindoctoring. It looks like the US/anglo-american/Five Eyes empire wants us, the rest of the western world, make feel the same fear that they have. They fear that the once thrown boomerang now is heading back with so much power that one never will be able to catch or stop him again.
The results of branding 1,7 billions of people worldwide into terrorists, just to have reasons to invade countries to get their oil and to establish their new world order around the globe.
But now they feel that the waiter approaches, serving the bill, but they don´t want to be alone responsible for their doing. Best way to do so is to make their enemies to our enemies, so that we feel the same fear that they feel, and we think it would be the solution to be part of the cause, that we feel to need to be "partner" of the US/anglo-american/Five Eyes empire, as their little henchmen.
To be in control of people fear is needed and created by those who need this fear to control the people, it´s that simple, and works since we came down from the trees.
Thats the simple reason why we, in the anglo-american empire influenced, some say infected western world, are programmed to hate muslims since 9/11. Thats why the empire tries to make us to partners when they invade and destroy other nations for own profits, like all the stupid EU nations that followed blindly the lie of WMD in Iraq!
The germans did not, and hell, the next day we were betrayers of the "free", "civlized", "enlightened" and "democracy" and "freedom" and "liberty" loving world. And today, watching back to that PNAC lie and the results of destabilizing huge areas in our world ???
But sure, we are not without fault when "our leaders" need to feel to kiss somebody`s ass, even if this somebody is nonstop defecating the worst smelling feces in their faces. Or when our "defense" suppliers make deals with failed states to make billions over billions. There are many examples, why we are responsible for supporting the anglo-american empire.
But as you US citizens are not your puppet or shadow government, so the people in europe are not ours, less than ever yours!
We, all the people united, need to remove the dictatorship of greed and wealth, the dark circles paying both parties to make profits from war, the brotherhoods of evil individuals that turn people into wage and debt slaves, the circles that cut away our freedom and tell us that this just happens for our security, from a threat that they created by themselves, to create the needed fear to divide and control people. We need to stop the "security"-gurus and mass surveillance-fetishists that play BigBrother.
But what do we do?
We hate each other, are made to hate each other and are blind to see who is pulling the strings and for what reasons.
Is it really easier to hate the refugee than the reasons for his need to flee? Is it easier to hate muslims because the propaganda tells us to do so, instead of getting grown to shake up that religions/cults Bs?

One morning we all will wake up, armed surveillance drones hovering over our heads, NewGeStaPo that kicks your door, kills your dog, harms your family and throws you into a concentration camp/jail because your thoughts were not compatible with that of the rulers. The New GeStaPo will stop you everywhere, even for no reason, maximum armed and armored, will kill you maybe if you are not doing exactly whatever they want you to do. Every conversation that you conduct, anywhere, will be saved, every move you do too. You will be profiled by machines that are programmed by evil indidiuals, they know everything about you, everything they need to control you.
And then we will sit there and ask ourselves, how could it come that far.
Because we followed lies and were made hate and fight each other, and because of that we have been to blind to see the reality. It happened because we followed blind any propaganda our leaders served us, just to distract people from reality, and hinder them to rise up against the real bad individuals on our earth.
And, as said, this is the reason why we have to hate muslims since 9/11. They are the actual jews of the Fourth Reich !
For lowminded people, used as bogeyman to create fear!

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: tony9802

erm little harsh there don't you think? sheeesh!

I read your reply and of course agreed with it, but then I had a stray thought wander by. Communication is always more successful when you speak to people in their own language...

Reason and appeals to sensibility have not exactly been productive to this point. I hate to even ask the question, but will it actually be necessary to respond to them in kind in order to get their full attention and settle on more reasonable resolution to the issues we are facing?


...Scary thought...

Please see my comments above..

While you are searching for those comments, I remind you to read monarchical history, and understand that the kingdom of Islam has always wanted to invade the northern lands.. they know an opportunity when they see it..



I would merely repatriate the lads, I would not need them to suffer under fire..

I want to make it clear I am not suggesting we do that. Far from it. I am asking the question, what if that is the only thing that would get through to them? If it is, then we are in trouble because I don't see us beheading people and videotaping it for propaganda purposes or burning people alive. Which goes full circle to the original question. What if the only way to get through to these people is to be as cruel as they are - which is something we simply will not do. In other words, we will never find any level of understanding that leads to something productive.

In other words what if we are never able to find any level of consensus with individuals who are unwilling or unable to accept and embrace western law and rationality..? Would immeasurable campaigns of progressive education work? Perhaps.. they might..but that takes alot of time, and they will first have to learn the language..



I can tell you one thing..people know between right and wrong..if they choose to conduct themselves wrongly, it's a choice, not merely cultural predisposition; A major part of the problem in my opinion is that some of these folks disdain and hold in contempt levels of wealth they have never observed and never possibly imagined..In response, while observing their own miserliness, they retaliate and become opponent. Envy is a difficult monster to battle..


If they took up arms against the west due to discontent, or due to an economic collapse, or because an Imam issued a Fatwa ordering all muslims to suddenly assault and sexually maim women, if all of those things happen, and they can, what must the response be? The response is now!! Action, that requires battling, defending, fighting.. There is nothing cruel or unusual about defending oneself and one's loved ones and property.. if a war begins, well yes I guess you are right, the terms of the discussion are now suddenly in violent aggressive language involving physical conflict and physcial resolution..

If it does arrive to that point, one must understand what the opponent is capable of.. and someone from an enemy nation, from entirely another part of the world, has very distinct capabilities, and is very aware and focused on those distinctions. Take for example cannibalism..certain opponents would have no problem practicing cannibalism on an enemy they had killed.. You can expect that from certain groups of people, affected by certain types of rage..

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Hello

First I want to thank you for writing such a great post. It's sad to see some of the usual respondents trolling out the same tired arguments with the same tired memes but it's also a good thing. It puts the bias's right out there in the light to be seen and understood for what they are...and are not. Please dont think their replies constitute a widely held view. Remember where your posting after all.

The first thing I wanted to say in response to your post was that ultimately, 'it's ok'..It's ok in the sense that it is 'known' and understood. Religion as a whole has been used as pretext* for crime and war since day dot and never has it once ever been a case from the beginning of modern history, that religion itself was at fault. People interpreting religion selectively, speciously, absurdly and abusively....yes. People abdicating their responsibility and authority to earthy and so fallible 'leaders' and 'teachers' without thought or conscience, and/or choosing to do unconscionable things that are diametrically opposed to their own religions dictates hiding behind religious privilege or using peoples faith against them as a weapon of war...yes. Islam isn't alone in being target or perpetrator of that experience and anyone close minded enough to miss that, is only doing themselves a disservice in my opinion. Islam represents the best and worst of humanity just as surely as any other religion does. ( *dictionary def: meaning not the real reason for a thing)

What is happening to and in the world of Islam isn't "new". I see a familiar pattern playing out. Excluding Jesus vs Pharisees of a couple of thousand years ago.. I recall that as late as the early 1800's, Jewish Rabbi's were warning the world of the threat of atheistic Zionism and its usurping of Judaism for its own political ends. These leaders of the Jewish faith, targeted in assassinations (ww1) and murdered en mass during (ww2), spoke of the danger Zionists presented to all Jewish people and to the world at large. No one listened. here. And today we see Isil et al and Wahhabism doing the same thing in and to the world of Islam here and again..no one is listening.

History has inverted, yes, but it's patterns are repeating none the less and as the wheel turns things change, but they stay the same too. The pattern itself is what matters, it is an abuse cycle and that abuse cycle, today isn't unintentional. It has nothing to do with religion which is just one of many vehicles for abusers intent on the perpetuation of it.

People seem to forget too that the chaos they see now in the ME isn't a 'natural state'. Issues of the Levant aside for sake of peace in the thread, it was as late as 1978 the CIA funded a revolution in relatively secular Iran that sent an otherwise stable power structure there into disarray, which eventually led to the uprising of the Islamic State of Iran as we know it today...ditto funding the Taliban against Russia saw Afghanistan devolved from a secular society into a failed state..ditto Iraq, Libya, Ukraine now Syria and soon, back to Iran again. Today, even the Saudis, more adept at playing middlemen, are understanding the value of this cycle in regards to temporal power games..they have begun adopting the the same pattern in Yemen, and will soon face their own self created monsters too. None of these wars or the monsters they have created are religious wars..not one. Pretext is not fact. All of them have been 100% political.

These and other malicious meddling sent the Middle East into chaos back in the 70's, and after these states finally settled again, they've been returned to the same chaos by the exact same means as before by the same actors. While these states remain infighting, they cant unite, while the remain victims, they cant exercise power. The US UK and Isr and their non state actor backers have seated every dictator they now rail against. They have funded every terrorist they now claim to be fighting against. It's not rocket science. If there are beasts in the Islamic world today, it is because of the beasts that created them and set them loose.....on ALL of us.

The active usurping and undermining of "peoples revolutions" by external forces - revolution being a natural sociological dynamic change and evolution in any society - is a known tactic of warfare. It works! People fall for it every single time. People can be counted on to 'forget' or to not bother reading or learning, they can be counted on to react or believe what they know is all there is to know and again that has nothing to do with religion. Its a human immaturity problem. Everything to do with temporal control and power..zip to do with religion except in how they can use religion to manipulate as many people as possible. The usurping OF religion to achieve political gains again has nothing to do with religion or belief in itself either and everything to do with accessing an easy path to manipulate the fearful ignorant and those who justly fear God. It's a manipulation..a scam...one of the oldest cons in the book.

As I said in another post recently, false attributions, like interlinking the Syrian refugee crisis with the worst of Islamic culture as whole for example, are fallacious. Firstly they assume that other religions have perfect memberships of pristine membership and they dont...and to assume, that every Muslim alive today all 1.6 billion are going to think and act the same way as ISIS do - is a straw man argument. In fact, it is THE classic straw man argument. It remains, there is no single norm within religions or cultures anywhere on the planet. These are blanket generalizations that have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with fear and ignorance - on all sides. They are fear based arguments not faith led ones, and they are indicative of a failure to exercise faith and a failure to reason. You can have all the knowledge in the world and yet still be unable to think critically.

I choose to remember and hold, that no matter today's appearances, the people of Islam held the candle of knowledge, of mathematics, philosophy, medicine and science long after Egypt fell and Africa finally surrendered itself to chaos. That Islam bought art to geometry, built language and through the merging of many peoples, taught discipline, bought the concept of mutual respect - spiritual and physical - to a world that was infant and being over run by what at that time was a merciless near neanderthal Christendom. If not for Islam, no Renaissance, no modern world at all. Islam preserved...while we destroyed. here We owe Islam the history of white Euro 'us'...while we were busy going insane, they stayed sane and gave us back to ourselves freely when we were done. In our worst days, they held the candle for us. I feel it's only right we hold one for them too.

I was really surprised and encouraged to see someone write as I feel, that all the people caught in the crossfire of these political machinations are just that, human beings..just like us..and for no other reason than that, I will help them where I can within my own conscience.

Be well and thank you.


Rosha

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

You seem to forget that is not about hating or no wanting to help those that are in need.

Is about the believes, traditions and religion that this people are bringing with them into the countries they are migrating from that is what has caused the war problems and persecution they are running away from.

Sadly they are running from violence but the set of believe that that violence has created is still with them

To start over somewhere else.

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: tony9802

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: tony9802

erm little harsh there don't you think? sheeesh!

I read your reply and of course agreed with it, but then I had a stray thought wander by. Communication is always more successful when you speak to people in their own language...

Reason and appeals to sensibility have not exactly been productive to this point. I hate to even ask the question, but will it actually be necessary to respond to them in kind in order to get their full attention and settle on more reasonable resolution to the issues we are facing?


...Scary thought...

Please see my comments above..

While you are searching for those comments, I remind you to read monarchical history, and understand that the kingdom of Islam has always wanted to invade the northern lands.. they know an opportunity when they see it..



I would merely repatriate the lads, I would not need them to suffer under fire..

I want to make it clear I am not suggesting we do that. Far from it. I am asking the question, what if that is the only thing that would get through to them? If it is, then we are in trouble because I don't see us beheading people and videotaping it for propaganda purposes or burning people alive. Which goes full circle to the original question. What if the only way to get through to these people is to be as cruel as they are - which is something we simply will not do. In other words, we will never find any level of understanding that leads to something productive.

In other words what if we are never able to find any level of consensus with individuals who are unwilling or unable to accept and embrace western law and rationality..? Would immeasurable campaigns of progressive education work? Perhaps.. they might..but that takes alot of time, and they will first have to learn the language..



I can tell you one thing..people know between right and wrong..if they choose to conduct themselves wrongly, it's a choice, not merely cultural predisposition; A major part of the problem in my opinion is that some of these folks disdain and hold in contempt levels of wealth they have never observed and never possibly imagined..In response, while observing their own miserliness, they retaliate and become opponent. Envy is a difficult monster to battle..

The problem is that I don't think there is any amount of progressive education that would ever be a catalyst to change. Think of how many thousands of years islam has been violently invading and conquering other nations. It is only new to us as a nation because we are a relatively new nation. That invade and conquer mindset has been prevalent in Islamic culture from day one. That is why I don't believe there could ever be enough progressive education to effect real change.

I agree with you that people know right and wrong. But what about the people who grew up being told that killing/conquering westerners is right? They too know right and wrong. The problem is what is right to them is wrong to us.

It would be nice to think that there is some solution to this that doesn't involve rolling over and losing your own culture or getting burned alive for defending it. If that solution exists, historically speaking, no one has found it yet. And people have been looking for thousands of years...

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

You seem to forget that is not about hating or no wanting to help those that are in need.

Is about the believes, traditions and religion that this people are bringing with them into the countries they are migrating from that is what has caused the war problems and persecution they are running away from.

Sadly they are running from violence but the set of believe that that violence has created is still with them

To start over somewhere else.

It's OUR violence many are fleeing from. Understand that and being humane is inevitable.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

you do know that madrassas (Islamic schools) teach their own children about the "evil infidels" starting at a very young age?... the writings of the Quaran pretty much separates out, who should live and who should die....do Christians teach their children to lie to all "evil infidels"?...do Taoists?...do the jews?....do the hindus?....do the buddists?...do the atheists?

a reply to: Rosha

But while is our violence and I will not argue with that, is also the ingrained set of believes that comes with violence, retaliation all in the name of God.

Islam in the middle east has never been peaceful and sadly they seem to be more violent toward each other base on tribal rivalries by regions.

Even when they mostly practice Islam it doesn't stop them from fighting each other.

originally posted by: Rosha

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

You seem to forget that is not about hating or no wanting to help those that are in need.

Is about the believes, traditions and religion that this people are bringing with them into the countries they are migrating from that is what has caused the war problems and persecution they are running away from.

Sadly they are running from violence but the set of believe that that violence has created is still with them

To start over somewhere else.

It's OUR violence many are fleeing from. Understand that and being humane is inevitable.

they need to take responsibility for their own country, and quit blaming others like spoiled little children that didn't get an extra cookie......leave "ME" OUT OF YOUR "WE".....and if you don't think people have the guts to do this themselves...go look at Vietnam, Korea, Japan, China, also India that has had quite a few occupiers...even Finland that has been invaded numerous times...you don't see these people blowing up bombs against any "infidel" or beheading people for drawing a cartoon of their god......it's like the radical middle east Muslims are 5 year olds that didn't get their way, and they need to go and set fire to a cat, or bash in the head of a dog, to make themselves feel good

originally posted by: Rosha

originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

You seem to forget that is not about hating or no wanting to help those that are in need.

Is about the believes, traditions and religion that this people are bringing with them into the countries they are migrating from that is what has caused the war problems and persecution they are running away from.

Sadly they are running from violence but the set of believe that that violence has created is still with them

To start over somewhere else.

It's OUR violence many are fleeing from. Understand that and being humane is inevitable.

Hi Rosha, so you are essentially saying that the west created daesh isis isil and is generally..that we created the circumstances for the arab spring and that we have been for the last 15 years unnecessarily removing persons from positions of power out of convenience and preference for our (west's) own purposes..

This is all true..

Daesh isis isil is however, having now assumed power, have no interest in protecting syrians..they wish to usurp as much land as possible, steal as much money as possible, and in the meantime, destroy any and all persons in their way..that is not us (west). That is them.

They do not have to destroy syrian life while arriving to some form of power.