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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 08:44 AM
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TPTB? Washington DC and the US government? The world hasn't seen any "leadership" out of the US in 8 years. Obama prefers to lead "from behind".


Do you know what is the TTIP or the TTP or the TISA? Do you know what country is proposing them? Do you know how hard some country are fighting them?
You seem to assume that the US isn't leading anything, but you are just scratching the surface. I am sure Putin doesn't need a lot of effort to create a boogieman since the US/western arrogance is doing it for free, contrary to the opposite side where sovereign countries are attacked on false pretexts (Assad killing his people, Gaddafi killing his people, China threatening the US economy etc).

So you think that frenchs are only bothered about wine and cheese wihle germans only bothered about making money while the US is only intrested in freeing countries and granting them liberty? I am pretty sure I need no additional comments about how childish is the support in favour of your argument.

Europe is in a deep crisis. Between themselves, between them and their long time allies (the US), between them and the muslim countries, between them and the eastern european countries.
Corporations in the USA are just children of the US banking system, so they can be sacrificed for a bigger intent, destroying other economies to then impose fascists trade agreements that give up sovereignity.

I have a different view than Russia for example, I think the US oligarchy that uses US army and taxpayer money are trying to keep Europe to get close to Asian economies and to support middle east crimes. It's an opinion, but hardly one that can be disproved by facts.

Facts are the US is building up in the newer NATO countries, is waging war against Assad despite the congress didn't approve it and the US is itself killing it's internal shale production to destroy russian economy by letting saudi and ISIS sell oil for pennies.
And for "the US" I don't really mean "the people in the US". You, like us, will only regret any support to the enslavers.




posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 09:41 AM
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This has not been a secret, last week i read an article where US officer told about the military drills what they have done to find out how well they are able to protect Baltia. Results were alarming, they were unable to protect the countries in military drill only few bigger cities was protected.
Russia knows this and uses Nato military drills "Threat" for its domestic politics its only a propaganda and in other side those Baltian countries feel unsafe and as being part of Nato requires more protection as they were somewhat promised to get.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: Mastronaut

That is something Baltic nations have been asking for for a long period already rather than US plan of "taking over the world". I am happy that USA decided to send some troops to local military base in Estonia, although the amount of troops and weaponry should be far larger in my eyes.

Estonia for example has total population over 100 times lower than Russian one, even more considering the fact that nearly one third of population consists of Russian who are not native population (their grandparents/parents were relocated here as part of Sovietization process). Considering the bloody history, slavery under the "big bad neighbour", of course these small nations want security in order to make sure that history does not repeat...

I am happy that US has decided to send more troops/machinery here, although that is still not enough in my eyes. Russia has been too aggressive, whether physically in Ukraine or by implying as if they believed Baltic nations should belong to them.

These news are pretty much bulls**t to be honest, at least when it comes to drills (or at least outdated). There have been no major drills here recently, the ones in which US troops took part in were in May and these are drills that are made every year (or couple of years). They just happened to be here, so they took part in it, although these were not held for NATO or the US soldiers, it was already planned drill from years ago for every person who had passed military service (they had to take couple of weeks off their jobs) as part of the security process in order to ensure that the military is working fine (after certain periods large drills, trainings are made for the reserves, who are not active anymore in military) .

In recent weeks there has been pretty much nothing, when it comes to drills. This newspiece is seriously overhyped, trying to convince people against US, to be pro-Russia.
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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 09:47 AM
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a reply to: TonyS

TonyS, I suggest reading up on some very informative NWO threads on here to understand what this whole TPTB thing is all about.

Following that idea, recent turn of events fits very well into the NWO agenda.

Total world dominance means countries like Russia, NK, Syria, Iran, Libiya, Iraq etc etc are just threats to the grand scheme of things.

Libiya and Iraq have already fallen victim to the agenda driven maniacs influencing the military industrial complex, and tangled with politics to have the strings pulled to take out potential threats to a New World Order.

And here we have more reason to play war games near the Russian boarders, because the Kremlin is also busy preparing for confrontation with US backed IS in Syria.
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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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originally posted by: Cabin
a reply to: Mastronaut

That is something Baltic nations have been asking for for a long period already rather than US plan of "taking over the world". I am happy that USA decided to send some troops to local military base in Estonia, although the amount of troops and weaponry should be far larger in my eyes.

Estonia for example has total population over 100 times lower than Russian one, even more considering the fact that nearly one third of population consists of Russian who are not native population (their grandparents/parents were relocated here as part of Sovietization process). Considering the bloody history, slavery under the "big bad neighbour", of course these small nations want security in order to make sure that history does not repeat...



Divide and conquer! Best way to get a distant enemy is to arm their neighbour and make it their fight with your enemy to further your agenda.
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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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a reply to: InnerPeace2012

Seriously, you believe any of the Baltic nations is dumb enough to attack Russia??? The whole population of Baltic nations combined (including women, children, elderly etc) is lower than the size of Russian army.

These nations have been oppressed for centuries by Russia. There is nothing more we want than peace, to forget the history and live independently as nations rather than parts of some country who has nothing in common with us other than being the huge neighbour. Of course Baltic region seeks strong allies in order to ensure the independence of the nations. Considering the aggressiveness of Russia recently, there have been requests for additional troops stationed, for addition weaponry, machinery. No one wants war, just peace, and in order to ensure it allies like US and EU are needed.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: Kapusta




This report apparently didn't come from the Kremlin.


SO says it's mouthpiece.

Not you RT...just so there is no confusion.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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originally posted by: Cabin
a reply to: InnerPeace2012

Seriously, you believe any of the Baltic nations is dumb enough to attack Russia??? The whole population of Baltic nations combined (including women, children, elderly etc) is lower than the size of Russian army.

These nations have been oppressed for centuries by Russia. There is nothing more we want than peace, to forget the history and live independently as nations rather than parts of some country who has nothing in common with us other than being the huge neighbour. Of course Baltic region seeks strong allies in order to ensure the independence of the nations. Considering the aggressiveness of Russia recently, there have been requests for additional troops stationed, for addition weaponry, machinery. No one wants war, just peace, and in order to ensure it allies like US and EU are needed.


No, that was not what I meant with my reply to you, I meant it being the tactic the USA is playing, from all it's proxy wars by arming and training seperatist to bring down established governments labelled as regimes by MSM.

Sure, I agree with you that everyone wants to leave in a peaceful world. However, the Ukrainian crisis, is the same proxy war Russia is playing, as is with US backed IS in Syria.

The Syrian crisis is a big deal now that we have a big migration crisis also affecting EU nations.

And with Russia's involvment in Syria, Natenyahu had recently paid Putin a visit to understand Russia's move in Syria, while puppet Obama has been reluctant to holds talks with the Kremlin, also on syrian crisis, until recently.

But, the US is more concerned about the Ukrainian crisis and openly accussing Russia as the aggressor, and playing wars games near the Russian boarders. Which then begs the question, who then is the real threat to world peace?


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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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Can you please highlight the aggressiveness of Russia BEFORE the build up of NATO in the baltic and poland?
Because we always have this "russian aggression" card played but everytime it's in response to NATO drills or increased military support.

I have no doubts that ex-soviet republics have their reasons to be scared of Russia, but I can't understand how people just ignore the fact that Russia has all the reasons of being worried about NATO presence on its borders.

Aside from this there are much deeper reasons for ex-soviet republics to oppose eurasian influence, and those are related to energy and it's hard to not mention Soros and his cronies when talking about eastern europe and money. Dirty money and power as usual.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 10:47 AM
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More recent reports from other sources.

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link 2


Link one has Sputnik news as their source...the Kremlin newest mouthpiece.

As for the second one...zerohedge...puppets whatever Russian media says, and has been doing so since the beginning of the Ukraine situation.

If you went to his source there is a reason they are doing this, as their past plans do not account for things that have happened since their prior plans were made.


After 1991, military plans to deal with Russian aggression fell off the Pentagon’s radar. They sat on the shelf, gathering dust as Russia became increasingly integrated into the West and came to be seen as a potential partner on a range of issues. Now, according to several current and former officials in the State and Defense departments, the Pentagon is dusting off those plans and re-evaluating them, updating them to reflect a new, post-Crimea-annexation geopolitical reality in which Russia is no longer a potential partner, but a potential threat.


foreignpolicy.com...

And you can bet those countries bordering Russia that hope they aren't next are doing the same thing.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 10:59 AM
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I agree to some point. Although, Syria or Ukraine can not be compared to Baltic nations. I am yet to be fully convinced what is exactly happening in Syria, although I am 100% that in Ukraine there was in the end no actual reason for US to intervene with the riots. They might have had something to do with making these happen, organising these, but people want it to happen. Just the same if something like that happened in Moldova or Belarus, I can understand why people want to move towards Europe... Someone might give a push, but that is something people wanted always anyways, just no one courageous enough was there to take action due to the fact that they might be killed... (that happens in Russia when one dares to take a stand... Alex Jones would have been eliminated long ago, immediately, just because he was anti-government... In Russia currently even bloggers have to coordinate with the gov, every newsagency is governmental,

The war games in Estonia, well, as I said these were organised beforehand. The fact that US troops were involved was just that they were accepted to take part of an event that was already organised before... For US it might be part of a plan, yet it makes local people feel more secure...



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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Okay,

1) Bronze night. 2007. april.

The remains of Russian soldiers died in WWII, were transfered to cemetary rather than being in central city being walked over constantly. Russia media lied outrageously about it, saying as if the remains were desecrated, the bronze statue ahead of them sawed into pieces, spit upon. That is what made local Russian patriots angry, while it was pure lie... The statue as well as the remains were transferred to cemetary properly (according to Russian orthodox principles)...

2) Nearly a month later, cyberattacks against Estonia...

Government agencies, local networks were attacked by Russian agents.

Estonia is one of the most advanced nations in using IT-technology for government solutions. You can see everything online thanks to ID-card. Tax declarations are few clicks away and you get the money back in a matter of couple of days if not less thanks to it. The IT-systems were attacked hardly by Russian hackers then due to bronze night...

I will not even mention the countless Russian arrogances by entering our airspace, doing extreme drills near to our border...



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 11:15 AM
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Okay,

1) Bronze night. 2007. april.

The remains of Russian soldiers died in WWII, were transfered to cemetary rather than being in central city being walked over constantly. Russia media lied outrageously about it, saying as if the remains were desecrated, the bronze statue ahead of them sawed into pieces, spit upon. That is what made local Russian patriots angry, while it was pure lie... The statue as well as the remains were transferred to cemetary properly (according to Russian orthodox principles)...

2) Nearly a month later, cyberattacks against Estonia...

Government agencies, local networks were attacked by Russian agents.

Estonia is one of the most advanced nations in using IT-technology for government solutions. You can see everything online thanks to ID-card. Tax declarations are few clicks away and you get the money back in a matter of couple of days if not less thanks to it. The IT-systems were attacked hardly by Russian hackers then due to bronze night...

I will not even mention the countless Russian arrogances by entering our airspace, doing extreme drills near to our border...



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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There was no NATO build up before Russias aggression in Ukraine.


www.atlanticcouncil.org...



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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There was no NATO build up before Russias aggression in Ukraine.


But Russian media/Kremlin says different.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: Kapusta

Back in March I made this screenshot during a discussion with a friend about how his country is just part of a larger plan and will be lain to waste by us, twice, on the way in.... and on the way out. He unfriended me. C'est la vie.



It really is the most direct route.




posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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Really? It seems concerns were far older than last years.

Gorbachev in 2008
the black sea 2010
Wikileaks cables end of 2010 and The Guardian article about them
And some more data (BIASED, beware) from Rick Rozoff, but you can go verify the individual claims.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: Cabin
a reply to: Mastronaut

Okay,

1) Bronze night. 2007. april.

The remains of Russian soldiers died in WWII, were transfered to cemetary rather than being in central city being walked over constantly. Russia media lied outrageously about it, saying as if the remains were desecrated, the bronze statue ahead of them sawed into pieces, spit upon. That is what made local Russian patriots angry, while it was pure lie... The statue as well as the remains were transferred to cemetary properly (according to Russian orthodox principles)...


This seems more of a social problem, not really a military one. I have no doubts about russian media support of the conflict, but I doubt that this event could be a reason for a build up. You also forgot to mention that this move was because ethnic estonians thought it was a symbol of soviet oppression, not just a "normal" logistical decision.


2) Nearly a month later, cyberattacks against Estonia...

Government agencies, local networks were attacked by Russian agents.

Estonia is one of the most advanced nations in using IT-technology for government solutions. You can see everything online thanks to ID-card. Tax declarations are few clicks away and you get the money back in a matter of couple of days if not less thanks to it. The IT-systems were attacked hardly by Russian hackers then due to bronze night...


Attacks that were being done by a transnistrian group without consent. The source for DDOS attacks coming from Russian Federation is moot since for massive ddos you use botnets and except for some allegiations I don't see any definitve proof it was Russia (the country, not some russian people).
It was a good excuse to send some NATO cyberexpert in Estonia tho, I would go ask Snowden if he knows anything.
Still, no russian military build up.


I will not even mention the countless Russian arrogances by entering our airspace, doing extreme drills near to our border...


Your countries are small and there is no way Russia can avoid flying close to your borders to do Baltic excercises or escorts. However these incidents don't seem to be a threat at all, given that even Fensterseifer, head of the German contingent said



"All in all, we had about 60 scrambles for training, so we're doing a lot of training over the Baltic states. All in all we have about 270 hours of flying missions in the air," he said.

Fensterseifer added that more than 12 alpha scrambles in response to air-space violations were performed during the shift. The response does not necessarily mean infringement, they may be carried out in connection to escorting of other aircrafts that come too close to the Baltic air space.


So, I'm pretty sure russian military build up is in response to NATO build up, which is in response of some russian flexing. The magnitude tho is pretty much outlining how there is a certain pressure from every side (don't forget Black sea, Georgia and Afghanistan) around Russia and I'm sorry if I don't agree with your position, but they have all the reasons to think they are going to need those additional armies as a defense.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 05:35 PM
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originally posted by: Mastronaut

Maybe a little research could lead to the sources of the opinions expressed in the russian media. Deny ignorance?


and why is the US placing those items? What did Russia do that forced that change in deployments?



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 06:07 PM
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Maybe because the US doesn't want anyone to be independent from them?

The build up has been a continuous process, the difference is that Russia couldn't build up anywhere else than their country.



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