Jesus is the Beast that Rose form the Abyss in Revelation

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

How can Jesus ask for us to be one when he thought of some as greater or lesser than others? In the same way that his Father was greater than he but they were still one. We are all one but some act worse or better than others.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Almost all of Jesus' ministry was centered around that. To the Pharisees whom Jesus opposed, He said to clean out the inside of the cup first before polishing the outside.

Jesus (the Lamb of God) said that those who believe will not be judged, but those who do not believe are judged already.

Then we have the words of John who Jesus appointed as an Apostle.

1 John 1
1That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; 

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us) 

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son JesusChrist. 

4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. 

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. 

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: 

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of JesusChrist his Son cleanseth us from all sin. 

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Your works are dead until you clean out the inside first. You do that by believing in His sacrifice. That is what it means to be born again.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The Beast that Rises from the Abyss is called Apollyon. Where is he ever linked to Jesus?

In fact, Jesus casts the Beast and the False Prophet into the Lake of Fire. Will Jesus be throwing Himself into the Lake of Fire?

You will be amazed if you check Google & youtube for were paintings of christ depicting Apollo, apollo/ jesus, etc.

I was amazed. No doubt that modern depiction of Christ and the statue of liberty are drawn from apollo. Modern mary is clearly isis as well.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

If the inside is clean through belief, why do you continue to sin on the outside? If the inside is cleaned then so will the outside be cleaned. If sin is unavoidable, cleaning the cup is impossible as well.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

How can Jesus ask for us to be one when he thought of some as greater or lesser than others? In the same way that his Father was greater than he but they were still one. We are all one but some act worse or better than others.

Jesus came to separate His believers from the world. In Him, His BELIEVERS are one. The rest of the world will be burned away at the Baptism of Fire.

You only look at half of the picture. I find it hard to believe you are that ingorant.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The inside is the soul/heart and spirit. Sin is in the flesh. For the believer, sin will be completely removed at death.

The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

a reply to: raikoh

This is a good write up on the similarities of Jesus and Apollo.

The Greek god of the sun and oracles, Apollo, possesses important attributes in common with the Jewish savior Jesus, including his status as the son of God. As Jesus was titled "the Christ" or Christos, so too was Apollo purportedly styled Chrēstos, a similar-sounding Greek word meaning "good" or "useful," among other connotations.

LINK

Of course these parallels will be ignored by Christians because they are not true seekers, they have presuppositions to uphold.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

So the inside of your cup is not clean and you do not follow Jesus' commandments? Because if you claim to live in Jesus, you must live like him. You seem to be ignoring that important point. You must live as he did, sin free, in order to claim to live in him.

originally posted by: yuppa
I have to ask. has anyone ever really analyzed th efunction of the lake of fire? Here is a thought some bible scholars have come to think.

God is a loving God we can agree correct? And as such loves everyone. But liek any father he has to punish or discipline his children. Hence the idea of Hell. Now seeing as how any father hates to see his children suffer its been argued that hell does not house any sinners(after jesus left it) currently and all souls that are not instnaly judged good are sent to purgatory. these include aetheist(who are given a chance to know God as well as all others who died not knowing who God was to be fair) who would have otherwise been sent to hell

Now Remember the Promise of no more tears in heaven correct? How is that possible if they have a loved one in Hell? COmmon sense says it woudnt be right? Well during the final throne judgement the bad souls will be tossed into the lake of fire and be consumed(its a mercy actually) as to had never existed in the memory of their friends and family who made it to heaven. Thereby eliminating the sadness because who would be sad for someone they cant remember existing? This in turns dovetails with God loving all of us because he does nto want to see his creation in agony forever.

RE: function of lake of fire. I read the quran and it describes the lake as what i interpret to be a waste management system. I'll paraphrase here but it says organic food waste from a billions of creatures rains down from the "garden city" AKA New Jerusalem into the pit of fire. The damned then eat the scraps, but some undoubtedly get burned up. Its part a recycling system, part a prison. And according to the quran its also where little flame creatures feed on "pitch" that oozes out of the shirts the prisoners wear. And it is home of a tree. The Satanic Tree of Death called Zaqqum. It may sound weird but i have a quran in english and read the whole thing about two years ago.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Can't live sin free, that's why He paid for our sins. That's why John the Baptist called Him the Lamb of God before baptizing Him.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Jesus tells us to be perfect, he never says anything about sin being unavoidable. If you can't live as Jesus did, you cannot claim to live in him. The bible says so.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Jesus said, pray that you do not enter temptation for the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

Which is why if you clean the inside of the cup first the outside will follow. The flesh is only as weak as the Spirit, the outside is only as clean as the inside.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Jesus did not say the flesh is only as weak as the spirit. He said the opposite. The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: spy66

Jesus was given multiple opportunities to decline, but that would have compromised His character, so His death was partially His choice.

Jesus wanted to be honest and hoped that he would be judged fairly. The Court wanted Jesus to lie or face Death. Jesus knew he was going to be captured, and he knew he was going to die. Why should he have chosen to die as a lier?

If Jesus had lied to save his life. Jesus would not know his father or have much faith in him.

My point exactly. It would have compromised His integrity. But nonetheless, the choice was still there. That's why satan tried so hard to tempt Him not to continue His path.

If this was a sacrifice it must have been a sacrifice done by the Jews and the Romans as a display to show what happens to false prophets. Jesus was accused of proclaiming to be the their king. And the jews would not hear of it. Because according to their beleives/religion Jesus was not their king. Not according to their prophetic timeline.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

And taking into account what he said about the cup, the outside is only as clean as the inside, which is a reference to the flesh and Spirit. If you make the Spirit strong, the flesh will follow. The flesh is weak, meaning to start there is futile. The Spirit is willing so start there and make it strong so that the flesh will follow suit.

originally posted by: MerkabaMeditation
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

The Abyss is a the tree of life below the one we are currently inhabiting. Circles within circles, realms within realms. In the higher realms lives the angels, in the lower realms lives the deamons.

-MM

Daath. It is the unknown realm. Shown as a gray vaporous/not solid realm existing below Binah and Chokmah (sing along, 'from the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli')--on the way to Kether enlightenment. Have you been there on your travels. Its a doozy and do not recommend experiencing it without a life vest, ladder and extra oars.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: raikoh

This is a good write up on the similarities of Jesus and Apollo.

The Greek god of the sun and oracles, Apollo, possesses important attributes in common with the Jewish savior Jesus, including his status as the son of God. As Jesus was titled "the Christ" or Christos, so too was Apollo purportedly styled Chrēstos, a similar-sounding Greek word meaning "good" or "useful," among other connotations.

LINK

Of course these parallels will be ignored by Christians because they are not true seekers, they have presuppositions to uphold.

Its too bad this thread deteriorated to a saints and sinners debate because the OP was on to something. The duality/inversus theory is well known in occult. It is something i enjoy looking into. Even though i am a believer in God and hell etc. I dont want to get my information from a religion.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

According to Peter, Jesus went to hell after he died on the cross, which is the Abyss or "bottomless pit" mentioned in Revelation. After he went to hell, he rose from the Abyss into heaven at his resurrection.

we know that`s not true because:

LUKE:22-26


22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;

23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: DeathSlayer

Jesus' death on the cross is a doctrine of man. Man wrote the bible, not God.

Jesus the sacrificial lamb is the beast, the one whose mortal wound was healed. The Jesus who spoke about love and forgiveness is Christ.

The only sign given by Jesus was the sign of Jonah...

Mathew (12 : 39 - 40)

....."A wicked and adulterous generation asks for a sign! But none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah.

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Interestingly Jonah never died in the process so I can see your point.