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Kim Davis Comes Out Of The Political Closet!

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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:07 PM
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originally posted by: windword
If she's claiming to be a conscientious objector, then she shouldn't be in an elected office that requires her do issue marriage licenses to EVERYONE, any more than a Marine who claims to be a conscientious objector should serve a combat role.

Common sense man!



The big thing to me is - - she could have let her clerks do it.

But, NO! She insists her name has to be removed from all forms. When her signature only guarantees clerical information is correct.

Its way beyond Conscientious Objector.




posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: windword

But, Christian do believe that everyone who doesn't believe in their God is "antichrist", and should be shunned.



Proselytizing is a major part of Christianity. Their mission is to convert the entire world.



No, no, no. The mission is to "spread the word", not convert. When the gospels are preached in all parts of the world, then the Christian mission is done. God does the conversions. All the Christians do is spread the message, so that those who can hear, will get the opportunity to hear. But, not everybody can understand the word when they hear. So, not everybody is expected to be converted. There's selection. There's still "us" and "them" after the word is spread. You have to be chosen. The Christians don't do the choosing. The person hearing the word, "responds" according to what is in his or her soul, and comes of their own will to join the flock.
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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Now nothing. The Pope is not part of our elected Government. I happen to think the current Pope has some pretty good ideas, but he's got his own house to clean and the Catholic Church making pronouncements about how to treat gay people is probably a bit, ummm improper at this point in history.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH




No, no, no. The mission is the "spread the word", not convert.


You're doing it wrong.


Matthew 28
"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth., Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: windword

But, Christian do believe that everyone who doesn't believe in their God is "antichrist", and should be shunned.



Proselytizing is a major part of Christianity. Their mission is to convert the entire world.



No, no, no. The mission is the "spread the word", not convert. When the gospels are preached in all parts of the world, then the Christian mission is done. God does the conversions. All the Christians do is spread the message, so that those who can hear, will get the opportunity to hear. But, not everybody can understand the word when they hear. So, not everybody is expected to be converted. There's selection. There's still "us" and "them" after the word is spread. You have to be chosen. The Christians don't do the choosing. The person hearing the word, "responds" according to what is in his or her soul, and comes of their own will to join the flock.


If you want to have a Christian belief debate, please do it elsewhere.

There are over 3000 different Christian sects in America alone. You do not speak for all of them.

Political point: our founding fathers were well read men. Knowledgeable way beyond one religion.

Thread title: Kim Davis Comes Out Of The Political Closet!



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: AMPTAH




Freedom of religion. Christians do not require you to believe in their god.


But, Christian do believe that everyone who doesn't believe in their God is "antichrist", and should be shunned.



Any Muslim, Buddhist, Jew, Hindu, Sikh, or even devil worshipers, can enter any Church, sit and listen to the word. Or, at least, they are supposed to be able to hear. But, you can't expect people who do "opposite acts" to be joined together in harmony. If I love peace, and you love war, there's disharmony in a union between us. Better to let the peace lovers hang out together, and the warmongers hang out together in separate spaces. There are separate spaces for things of disimilar character: heaven vs hell, water vs fire, etc..all the waters in the rivers run down to join the water in the sea. Fire doesn't like to hang out with water. That's all. From time to time they mix, and other times they separate. That is the dynamic of the whole universe. Disagreeable people meet, interact, and then go their separate ways to find like minded folk. Water evaporates and meets the air in clouds, then interacts with the winds for awhile, then falls back down to re-enter the lakes, rivers, and seas once again.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

What a bunch of airie fairie nonsense. Here's what your Bible says about Christians associating with non-believers.


2John 1:10
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.


Our Constitutional nor its laws are based on Christian doctrine. And, at any rate, all the lofty philosophy that you've been throwing out isn't owned by Christians. Christians don't own forgiveness, charity, tolerance or marriage!



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Annee
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If you want to have a Christian belief debate, please do it elsewhere.

Thread title: Kim Davis Comes Out Of The Political Closet!



Sure. I was only responding to you. If you claim something, should you not expect a response?

Kim Davis is a Christian woman who is exercising her right. She is not trying to convert anyone. She is simply governing her own actions according to her faith. The constitution guarantees her right to hold her religion. Religion is not just belief, it is actions. More importantly, she was just withholding her hand from a signature. That's a peaceful action, consistent with the faith. The judge had her arrested and thrown in jail. That's a warlike action, in response to her peace offering.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Annee
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If you want to have a Christian belief debate, please do it elsewhere.

Thread title: Kim Davis Comes Out Of The Political Closet!



Sure. I was only responding to you. If you claim something, should you not expect a response?

Kim Davis is a Christian woman who is exercising her right. She is not trying to convert anyone. She is simply governing her own actions according to her faith. The constitution guarantees her right to hold her religion. Religion is not just belief, it is actions. More importantly, she was just withholding her hand from a signature. That's a peaceful action, consistent with the faith. The judge had her arrested and thrown in jail. That's a warlike action, in response to her peace offering.


The Constitution gives her the right to Believe whatever she wants.

The Constitution does not give her the right to infringe on other people's rights.

She was arrested on contempt for not following her Christian Governor's order to abide by the Constitution - - of which she took an oath.


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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

She was arrested on contempt for not following her Christian Governor's order to abide by the Constitution - - of which she took an oath.



She was arrested for the same kind of reason Jesus was arrested and nailed to the cross. She dared to speak the truth, stand on her religious convictions, and defy the local authority.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Annee

She was arrested on contempt for not following her Christian Governor's order to abide by the Constitution - - of which she took an oath.



She was arrested for the same kind of reason Jesus was arrested and nailed to the cross. She dared to speak the truth, stand on her religious convictions, and defy the local authority.


That's BS.

No one is stopping her from her belief.

She can not deny the rights of others who don't share her belief.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Annee

She was arrested on contempt for not following her Christian Governor's order to abide by the Constitution - - of which she took an oath.



She was arrested for the same kind of reason Jesus was arrested and nailed to the cross. She dared to speak the truth, stand on her religious convictions, and defy the local authority.


That's BS.

No one is stopping her from her belief.

She can not deny the rights of others who don't share her belief.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: windword
And, at any rate, all the lofty philosophy that you've been throwing out isn't owned by Christians. Christians don't own forgiveness, charity, tolerance or marriage!


Yes, God's kingdom is big. It doesn't only have Christians in it.



In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. KJV, John 14:2

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. KJV, John 14:3



Christians have one "spot" in the kingdom, being prepared by Jesus, to receive them at the appointed time. But, there's a lot more going on in the kingdom. Christians know this, that's why the US Constitution allows for various religions. Kim Davis is just acting according to hers.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 01:26 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

No one is stopping her from her belief.

She can not deny the rights of others who don't share her belief.


Her belief and her actions are one. She is not a hypocrite. Her belief determines what she will do. She restrains herself from being coerced into acting against her faith. You want to force her to sign a gay and lesbian marriage license. Here is what her religious book says about this practice;



Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. KJV, Leviticus18:22

Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. KJV, Leviticus 18:23


How can she, in good conscience, support this marriage when her Holy Book tells her it is worse than sin, it is "abomination" and "confusion" to deviate from God's plan of man + woman.

She is not trying to convert gays and lesbians to her ways, just not willing to violate her conscience by participating in the approval process for actions deemed irregular by her faith.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 01:29 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

She is not trying to convert gays and lesbians to her ways, just not willing to violate her conscience by participating in the approval process for actions deemed irregular by her faith.


Then she should resign.

She took an oath to uphold the Constitution.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 02:09 PM
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originally posted by: Annee


Then she should resign.

She took an oath to uphold the Constitution.


In other words, you support the "religious test" for a person to work in government.

If their religion conflicts with the requirements of the job, you prefer that she not have that job, rather than the government introduce "a new law" to enable gays and lesbians to get married without the county clerk involvement.

Why do you prefer a violation of the US Constitution, to a simple easy legislative fix?

Why the fixation on Kim Davis must lose her job, or lose her religion?



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 02:16 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Annee


Then she should resign.

She took an oath to uphold the Constitution.


In other words, you support the "religious test" for a person to work in government.



There is no religious test per the Constitution.

We are a secular government.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

There is no religious test per the Constitution.



There is now.

"Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party."

That was the test, not too long ago, to get a government job. If you said yes, no job for you.

Your name then entered the infamous "Blacklist".

Even private sector jobs were hard to get, if you got on the blacklist. Similar to getting on the "no fly list" today,
and trying to get on a plane to go somewhere. America loves its secret blacklists. They don't even tell you why you didn't get the job, or get to fly. Sorry Sir/Madam, it says here in the computer, you're denied.

At least communism wasn't considered a religion. So, the constitution wasn't technically violated by the test.

But today, we have the "Davis Test".

This is indeed religious.

It gets to the heart of religious principles, and acting on the faith.

There is absolutely no question anymore, that the constitution is being violated. You must pass the "Davis Test" to get to hold public office in the future. That's why this case is so important. It marks the beginnings of the Christian persecutions that are prophesied to come.



posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:13 PM
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originally posted by: windword
a reply to: AMPTAH


"All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth., Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."



Yes, baptize all who hear the word and come and ask to be baptized. Jesus came and asked John to baptize him. John didn't go to find Jesus and force baptism on him. Follow Jesus.
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posted on Sep, 28 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Now you're just being silly. You can practice your religion in America, but the US Constitution nor US law, doesn't reflect Christian doctrine, no way, no how!

US law doesn't care if Jesus has forgiven your sins or not, as a matter of fact, US law doesn't even care if Jesus really existed or if he is as much of a myth as Hercules.



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