It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Zaphod58
More to my point, BUK warhead frag is square, not round. And everyone in multiple searches I've done agrees the holes are @ 30 MM, based on references for comparison in the pics. Disprove that.
Nobody saw a missile launch or intersect, witnesses (plural) did report a plane, the other point in the link. Don't invent mysteries.
Then theres them holes and frag spatter at, in and around the cockpit and the left wing. I don't hear you denying their authenticity, much. I fired enough rounds at various materials in my time to instantly recognize what I saw in those pics.
I also know what that attack looked like as it developed. It came from behind, wings level, slightly abeam, just where the pilot of the SU 25 would have to approach to sneak up on a straight and level, slow mover who's pilot didn't even have time to know what hit him, let alone evade.
Ground launched BUK, BAH. The tire burners in KIEV ordered that shoot down and facilitated it by ordering the flight to lower its altitude so the SU 25 could reach it.
I don't care what "data" you say was "pre" released, theres these conclusive photos showing the plane received damage from a cannon with thirty mm rounds that stuck the cockpit, killing the pilots and smashing the instruments so the plane lost control and crashed. People on the ground saw the plane that did it in close proximity to the jet.
How long do you think they can keep that secret?
Answers self, (a year, so far).
More to my point, BUK warhead frag is square, not round.
antiaircraft guided missile 9M317 . 9M317 missile has extended the affected area up to 45-50km range and up to 25 km - height and setting, as well as a large range of targeted goals. In It provides for the use of inertial-corrected control system with a new semi-active radar homing Doppler 9E420 (see photo). Warhead: rod, weight - 70 kg, radius of target destruction - 17 m Cruising speed - 1230 m / s, load - up to 24 g. Missile weight - 715 kg. Wingspan - 860 mm. Engine - dual-mode solid propellant. Missile has a high level of reliability, fully assembled and curb missile does not require inspections and adjustments during the lifetime - 10 years.
There is a third doco from RT too. I'll link it tonight. It's a lot more politicised, but it presents more eye witness stories.
Ah yes because RT is where the truth can be found…or where Russia can push it's propaganda.
As if the west doesn't promote its own propaganda to discredit all others… oh wait, you just did that. God forbid there should be any alternative to western main stream propaganda. All nations lie.
How do you read between lines if you read only one line?
The worst propaganda is that which slanders all the rest.
How exactly did those eyewitnesses know where to look when they supposedly saw this plane around 7 miles above their heads?
Never said they didn't.
But this isn't about other nations is it?
Air battles are raging there daily. Anytime people hear something they come running out to see what may have caused it. Like you wouldn't.
In the OP video, witnesses describe seeing two planes, an airliner and a smaller military jet together in the same sky.
Haven't you figured out what a cover up in the news looks like? Its the breaking news that purports to explain what happened and who's responsible before the fires are put out.
Like in Fergi, 911, and MH17, for instance. Only proponents of propaganda and disinformation carry that BS ad infinitum seemingly without regard to conflicting evidence.
Actually, I live in Adelaide, on the direct approach path to the airport. I see planes with and without contrails all the time at all sorts of altitudes.
That vid proves nothing, The vid I posted also mentions seeing a metal coloured plane shooting straight up into the air, followed by 2 loud booms then the bodies started raining from the sky. I do not recall them claiming they could see the MH plane until it started falling.