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Conservative Republican is a mismatch for Christianity

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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 07:39 AM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
It seems liberals are the better match for the teachings of Christ. Caring about other people, being anti-war, favoring the sick or poor or needy over greed.... It just fits better. Conservative Republicans bring too much hypocrisy to the religion. And it's that hypocrisy that liberals loathe. It seems Conservative Republicans only like Christianity for judgment of others and the divisiveness-- which is not at all what Christ's teachings are about.

Why does the Christian Conservative Right even exist? They are more in line with the establishment that would chant for Jesus death, than the side that would make friends with criminals, prostitutes, and anyone else choosing love. Isn't it such a heavy burden on the Christian Conservative to carry a bible? It would be like Darth Vader spouting teachings of Yoda while destroying planets. It doesn't make any sense.

Radical Islam is a better fit for Christian Conservatives. Or maybe the teachings of the Sith. But definitely not Christ.


Funny, because most, if not ALL of the Christians I know are the exact opposite of how you describe them and in fact, are the same as you think they should be.

Giving, kind, caring.

Maybe you need to review your understanding of what Christians are.

Plus, who said all Conservative Republicans are Christians?

That's like saying all muslims are terrorists. I thought you Liberals didn't like generalizations, or is that just a one way street?




posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Amen!

and anyway, both parties are corrupt as a consequence of increased Godlessness in society, imo


“In proportion, as the genuine effects of Christianity are diminished in any nation, either through unbelief, or the corruption of its doctrines, in the same proportions will the people of the nation recede from the blessings of genuine freedom and approximate the miseries of complete despotism.”

--Samuel Morse, inventor of Morse Code


“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”
--John Adams

“If thou wouldst rule well, thou must rule for God, and to do that, thou must be ruled by Him... Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.”
--William Penn



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 10:45 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien


No, I don't need a progressive propaganda site to guide my thinking process, but thanks all the same.


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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: humanityrising



Regarding abortion, I firmly believe that most people choose to be for or against solely based on their political affiliation.

While I cannot speak for anyone, my convictions come from a deep spiritual understanding. Once you get the realization that even though the body dies, the soul continues and migrates into a new body, you understand that each time the soul reincarnates into a new body itabornes within the fetus even while the fetus is developing. Even priests who do not believe in reincarnation know that the soul is integrating within the developing form, and they call it a "quickening" when the baby starts to move around...

For several centuries the most popular belief was that life begins when the unborn child begins to move. This was called "quickening", which actually means "becoming alive". I suppose this is not too irrational. After all, what's the most obvious sign that someone is dead? Surely it's that he's lying on the floor not moving. (Like, duhh?) Of course this test is not totally reliable, but if you kick him a few times and he doesn't get up or make a sound, that's a strong clue that he's dead. So if someone is dead when he stops moving, perhaps we should say that he is alive when he starts moving.
Anyway, back then they didn't have ways to see into the womb to really tell when a baby starts moving. By 18 weeks the baby can kick hard enough for the mother to feel it, but of course he's moving before then, though they weren't sure exactly when. Today we know that babies start moving at about six weeks, the age of the baby shown here.
www.pregnantpause.org...
It's patently ridiculous for people to go around talking about a "clump of cells" when every mother who feels her baby moving knows how alive he is.
So unless you just don't believe that people have souls, and you believe like the abortion mill propagandists say that it's just a clump of cells....
you may come to your own terms with it. But my perception comes from spirituality, metaphysics, and experience.
I sure as heck don't need either the Republican or the Democrat Party tell me what to think.
I am pretty sure most Chistians who are pro life(to me Nancy Pelosi doesn't count as either Christian or Catholic) have the belief that God lives within the soul of the aborning baby, though they may not articulate this belief because the churches have watered down the true message of Jesus that we are all Sons and Daughters of the Most High.
Would you like me to cite from the Catholic catechism what I just said?


2258 'Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being.' (56)
2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person -- among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.(71)

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you. (72)

My frame was not hidden from you, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth .(73)

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish .(74)

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes.(75)



'It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material.' (83)

www.priestsforlife.org...

So, with this understanding, when the Progressives make the right to an abortion a platform of their party, you see they are in violation of the Catholic Catechism

2272 Formal co-operation in an abortion constitutes a grave offence. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. 'A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae' (76) 'by the very commission of the offence', (77) and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law . (78) The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.



2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation: 'The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being's right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death.'(79)

'The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child's rights.' (80)



2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.


www.priestsforlife.org...

Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden both Catholics are clearly in violation of their own Catholic Catechism, as they both were Catholic and they lead the entire Democrat Party astray and they do it knowingly. But perhaps in their case party affiliation really does dictate their stance on abortion...
So do I believe that Progressive Democrats hold life more dearly than pro life Republicans.....I think I have given sufficient answer and sufficient proof that it is not so.
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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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a reply to: humanityrising

The death penalty is only for the most agregious crimes... again, if one looks at it from the standpoint of reincarnation, is it better for someone who chopped up women into little bits to live out a life sentence with society providng 3 squares shelter and whatever else for years and years or better to learn the lesson quickly and be allowed a chance to reincarnate with a different set of life circumstances?
Again this is a more metaphysical approach but society clearly understands it from a less deep perspective.
Euthanasia....we have seen Progressives take the stance that euthanizing people is more humane.... but they think that a person who chopped up women into little bits is more deserving of society's protection than the unborn innocents.
Again the OPs charge that Christian Republican Pro lifers care less about people than the euthanasia proponents in their Democrat counteparts.... do I make my point again pretty clearly? Why is there, yes let's call them what they are Death Panels, an Independent Payment Advisory Board in the government thru the ACA legislation dedicated to helping people get ready for their exit from this life...you tell me.... the big accomplishment for Progressives is helping people to die....its allocating costs for this horrid piece of legislation.....
In the life of Terri Shiavo...a judge decided against the will of her beloved family with the help of the whole pro euthanasia crowd...
so if the OP thinks to slam Christians for being less caring about life.... he or she couldn't be any more wrong. Progressives have turned every issue upside down and inside out. Perhaps the OP thinks it is truly more moral to confiscate the money of hard working people and redistribute it among other constituents the Democrat Party holds more sacred than others? hmmmm????? (that being people who will vote for their hideous programs and outrageous agendas).

Chopping up babies while still in the womb and selling them for profit...you tell me if that is more caring and respectful of others.....

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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: Deaf Alien






Oh yeah for sure. I do not know of any one in the left who want to force acceptance.


Try POTUS forcing Catholic institutions to go against their own Catholic Catechism in providing abortifacients to people......that's force and I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing when he did it.
(It's a scientific fact that contraceptive pills can be abortifacient...and the pro choice people know it)

How about our tax dollars going to fund Planned Parenthood...isn't that using govt force to provide abortifacients against the Catholic Catechism????
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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 11:47 AM
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Once you get the realization that even though the body dies, the soul continues and migrates into a new body, you understand that each time the soul reincarnates into a new body itabornes within the fetus even while the fetus is developing


That's ridiculous, there's no evidence that there's any such thing as a soul, and if there were, why would they want to come down here instead of staying in heaven??



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: CB328



Once you get the realization that even though the body dies, the soul continues and migrates into a new body, you understand that each time the soul reincarnates into a new body itabornes within the fetus even while the fetus is developing


That's ridiculous, there's no evidence that there's any such thing as a soul, and if there were, why would they want to come down here instead of staying in heaven??


I told you that my convictions come from spiritual and metaphysical concepts. So if you are looking for proof in the secular world that the soul does not coincide in the body of a developing baby, you will also find t patently ridiculous to claim it does not. It just takes a bit of common sense really, but we know the baby is alive when it is moving.
Do you just not believe we have souls and that we are just a mere product of some clump of cells operating in some kind of crazy organization ? Do you think your thought process merely originates from an organization of cells ? What is the breath of life within you? Do you ever ask these questions or do you just go along with your party affiliation like someone said?
If the soul does not incorporate into the developing soul, at what point does the soul occupy the body?

You know this also brings up something else....the claims and philosophy of secular humanism....which is incidentally also a religion by their own definition(the signers of the Humanist Manifesto).... their god is a god of materialism....and anyone looking to the secular world for scientific proof that God of absolute values does not exist need not apply to the world of metaphysics for answers of any kind.... it is a god of materialism which rules secular humanism, Progressivism, Communism, and secular science.
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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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I suppose that Martin Luther King Jr wasnt a conservative Christian huh?


Who were the liberal Christians at the time of the Civil Rights battles, and what were they doing?



Were those liberal Christians spewing hate at that young black women trying to enter a public school?


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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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Jesus didn't sound so liberally progressive to me. He kind of sounds like he would have been pro-life.


Nonsense. Jesus was a Jew, his Father's son. Jewish law allowed for abortion and Jesus never once condemned it. But he did go out of way to condemn divorce, which was also legal under Jewish law.


Matthew 10:34
Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to SET A MAN AGAINST HIS FATHER, AND A DAUGHTER AGAINST HER MOTHER, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW;



Matthew 24:19
"But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!



Matthew 18:9
"If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than to have two hands or two feet and be cast into the eternal fire. 9"If your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it from you. It is better for you to enter life with one eye, than to have two eyes and be cast into the fiery hell.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 01:09 PM
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It seems you are following the propaganda of the Progressive party line

how about some truth for a change



It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S’s: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.

humanevents.com...



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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a reply to: windword

Wow talk about cherry picking....

where are you getting your ideas from?
You imagine that Matthew is an edict for abortion? Sound like Progressive cr&&p to me.


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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

It's propaganda to pretend that Jesus would have been anti-choice and pro-life, His Father, whom he is one with, sure isn't/wasn't pro-life.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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I'd just like to point out that I'm not saying all Conservative Republicans are Christian and not all Christians are Conservative Republicans.

When Republicans debate, they bring up God. They talk more about religion to pander to the church and people of Christian faith. Conservative Republicans are seen by many as having the religious vote.

And yet, they are the side that fights inequality, favors money over the earth and people, often pro military and chanting for war. They simply lack any peace loving, empathetic, Christ like stances on political issues.

All I'm saying is the current Liberal democratic seems to be a lot more in line with the caring of people, favoring people over money, not judging, but showing empathy to those in need and supporting programs to help.

You know I'm 100% right.
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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
I'd just like to point out that I'm not saying all Conservative Republicans are Christian and not all Christians are Conservative Republicans.

When Republicans debate, they bring up God. They talk more about religion to pander to the church and people of Christian faith. Conservative Republicans are seen by many as having the religious vote.

And yet, they are the side that fights inequality, favors money over the earth and people, often pro military and chanting for war. They simply lack any peace loving, empathetic, Christ like stances on political issues.

All I'm saying is the current Liberal democratic seems to be a lot more in line with the caring of people, favoring people over money, not judging, but showing empathy to those in need and supporting programs to help.

You know I'm 100% right.


I think you have Politicians, and Christians lumped together in the same group, and they're not even close.

Can a Conservative Politician say things to try to make Christians vote for them? Sure, but so do Liberals.

Who's to blame there?

The Politician, of course.

And no, you are NOT 100% right.

No one ever is.




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posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 01:45 AM
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I am talking about political ideology and religion, so yes, I am clumping them together.

I'm saying Democratic Liberal ideology clumps better with Christianity than Republican Conservative ideology, because liberal positions are often about helping those in need and fighting for equality, and often a voice against war and greed, and call for cleaner energy and less pollution to help the Earth... While conservatives are not any those things. Conservatives tend to side with greed and have those racist and xenophobic tendencies, and are usually mad that we're not in enough war.


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posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 07:05 AM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: poncho1982

I am talking about political ideology and religion, so yes, I am clumping them together.

I'm saying Democratic Liberal ideology clumps better with Christianity than Republican Conservative ideology, because liberal positions are often about helping those in need and fighting for equality, and often a voice against war and greed, and call for cleaner energy and less pollution to help the Earth... While conservatives are not any those things. Conservatives tend to side with greed and have those racist and xenophobic tendencies, and are usually mad that we're not in enough war.



And..... you're wrong.

Again, you're talking about Politicians.

They're barely even human, from both sides of the isle.

Liberals are using the poor for votes, while holding them down with Government handouts, so that they then become addicted and don't want to better themselves.

That's far worse than anything you're describing.

And wanting LEGAL immigration, is not xenophobic. It's called abiding the law. I have bad news for you.... THAT'S NOT A CONSERVATIVE THING. It's the majority of ALL Americans that want people to arrive here legally. We WELCOME immigrants. We do NOT welcome illegals.

But you go on with your Liberal spin. It's people like you that made me give up Political parties.


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posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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So welfare is bad for poor people? They're better off losing their homes or not feeding their children? Oh what evil liberals they are making sure families have a home and don't starve. Oh the addiction of such things. The horror.

And yet, how about that addictive government assistance known as the bush tax cuts for the wealthy that was set to expire at a time when the country needed that extra money. They weren't starving-- and yet those amazing Christ-like conservatives said, no, the rich need their extra tax breaks! For the trickle down you see! For the jobs!

Bunch of horse manure. Always finding an excuse for the rich while labeling the poor addicts.


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posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: poncho1982

So welfare is bad for poor people? They're better off losing their homes or not feeding their children? Oh what evil liberals they are making sure families have a home and don't starve. Oh the addiction of such things. The horror.

And yet, how about that addictive government assistance known as the bush tax cuts for the wealthy that was set to expire at a time when the country needed that extra money. They weren't starving-- and yet those amazing Christ-like conservatives said, no, the rich need their extra tax breaks! For the trickle down you see! For the jobs!

Bunch of horse manure. Always finding an excuse for the rich while labeling the poor addicts.



Yes, endless welfare, with no give backs (Community service, etc) or help to get them off of it is bad for poor people.

We now have career welfare families. There needs to be a time limit on welfare. And if you go beyond that time, then they need to step in and find out WHY people are unwilling to work.

Don't give me the Rich vs Poor BS. It has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with self respect, and self reliance.

People have to start taking responsibility for their own lives, and stop blaming others for their situation.

One of the things I happen to agree with Conservatives about. Contribute to society, don't leech off of it.

Yes, assistance is needed. But it should be just that...ASSISTANCE. Not full support.



posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 11:08 PM
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I was a child of welfare. While my mom collected food stamps she also furthered her education and I'll never forget the excitement when she finally got a new job that marked the end of years of welfare. I was a kid and didn't fully understand but I saw her happy.

This sh*t about leeches and addicts. This bullsh*t judgment of people in need.

Support the wealthy and their much needed tax cuts, but the poor on welfare are just life long leeches with no incentive to rise up.

Try showing an ounce of empathy for those on welfare, as you might for a rich business owner he wants a little extra tax cut.

Judgment on the poor - calling them leeches-- just proves my point.



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