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At least 220 dead, 450 hurt in stampede during Hajj outside Mecca

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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 03:33 PM
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originally posted by: haman10


originally posted by: muSSang
Karma's a bi*ch, oops I mean Mecca's a bi*ch.

OMG i cannot believe the bigotry and inhumanity in this thread . i really cannot believe the hate some people have inside their hearts .

i pity you . i pity you and whatever you stand for . i pity your sick and F-ed up mentality . if you cannot sympathize with the dead then why not just shutting the hell up ? or maybe you had to spew your venom somehow ?

R.I.P humanity . we can no longer tolerate eachother . tolerance is dead .

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on topic :

- 700+ innocent people are dead , 130 Iranians among them .

- Iran announces 3 days of mourning

- apparently there was 3 ways to get out of rami-jamarat (the place which the stampede happened) and 2 of them were closed by police because of a saudi official visiting the site which caused this mess .

EDIT :i really cannot get over the comments i read earlier . some people are just not humans



I forget, how many days of morning did Iran have for the 9/11 victims or was it days of celebration?




posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: UnBreakable



Huge crowds attended candlelit vigils in Iran, and 60,000 spectators observed a minute's silence at Tehran's soccer stadium

en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: neformore




Its amazing how people quickly forget history in order to try and make their point.


Sure didn't forget history of the 1400 years of Islam that has been responsible for millions of deaths.




World War 2 - not in the name of religion mind, but still....


World War 2 isn't even in the same ball park, or comparable.




Need I go on? It makes 9/11 look miniscule.


Gonna have too because that false equivocation didn't work. Besides WW2 lasted 4 years. Whereas we have had over 15 years of warfare over one religion. That religion dragging the rest of the world in to it with no end in sight.

Hell 1400 years from now unless there is a major reformation within Islam future generations will have to put up with the same things.

And I never said a word about 'karma'.

I said I get the resentment after 15 years of recent history, and the 20 before it watching the nightly news with the middle east always in it.

Does tend to make people resentful.
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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 05:20 PM
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a reply to: neformore

My bad, that minute slipped right by me.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: neo96



Sure didn't forget history of the 1400 years of Islam that has been responsible for millions of deaths.

They are boy scouts compared to the numbers that another religion has killed in the last 2000 years.


World War 2 isn't even in the same ball park, or comparable.

It's very comparable. The Nazis wanted expansion of land to spread their ideology just as Islam did.


Whereas we have had over 15 years of warfare over one religion. That religion dragging the rest of the world in to it with no end in sight.

No we have had 15 years of war so the Industrial Military Complex can make money. These wars wasn't started over a religion but rather oil and money the ex CIA agent Bin Laden was just a tool to make it happen.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 05:44 PM
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They are boy scouts compared to the numbers that another religion has killed in the last 2000 years.


At least the boyscouts accept gays today.




It's very comparable. The Nazis wanted expansion of land to spread their ideology just as Islam did.


Alright then if people really want to compare the two. Then it goes like this.

There are muslim supremacists over there thinking they are the master race.




No we have had 15 years of war so the Industrial Military Complex can make money. These wars wasn't started over a religion but rather oil and money the ex CIA agent Bin Laden was just a tool to make it happen.


Nope.

They were started over a religion that was created in Saudi Arabia, and it's GIP to fatten their opec bank accounts.
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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 06:03 PM
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I see where you are coming from and i agree,this whole cluster# looks like it has some design....All these years bombing the crap out of the middle east it should not come to a surprise to anyone that millions of people will be affected and will try and escape to somewhere safer....Fair to say there will be a whole bunch of radicals entering the west with the genuine refugees and will cause big problems....

Something needs to be done,but really its needs to be done by the authorities....laws need to be introduced to stop any group trying to force their religion or way of life on others,that should apply to refugees whom have been taken in by other countries,and i fully support removing any of them who want to act like animals and force their way of life on others

In this thread here www.abovetopsecret.com...we have what could be described as hate speech verging on a call to violence against all muslims...Its not helping people are so caught up in the hate they are blind,if things do not improve it will just be another version of gaza and i think 1 is enough already


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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 06:58 PM
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At least the boyscouts accept gays today.

Oh really? People like Kim Davis prove otherwise. Also how many Catholic gay marriages have you seen performed by Priests?


There are muslim supremacists over there thinking they are the master race.

There is an Islamic race now?


They were started over a religion that was created in Saudi Arabia, and it's GIP to fatten their opec bank accounts.

Talk about denying facts. It started because we had a military presence on the Arabian peninsula. They even said as much.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 07:07 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: neo96



Sure didn't forget history of the 1400 years of Islam that has been responsible for millions of deaths.

They are boy scouts compared to the numbers that another religion has killed in the last 2000 years.


World War 2 isn't even in the same ball park, or comparable.

It's very comparable. The Nazis wanted expansion of land to spread their ideology just as Islam did.


Whereas we have had over 15 years of warfare over one religion. That religion dragging the rest of the world in to it with no end in sight.

No we have had 15 years of war so the Industrial Military Complex can make money. These wars wasn't started over a religion but rather oil and money the ex CIA agent Bin Laden was just a tool to make it happen.


Only speaking on your last comment, maybe recent wars, as in the last 100 years, but wars prior were almost all religious. In this region I would say almost 100%.

Really it doesn't matter...war will always rage on there. There will never be peace.

I say pack it up everywhere, come back home and let the rest of the world sort their issues out. We have enough of everything needed in the US to not rely on any other country for the rest of time.
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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 07:14 PM
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Oh really? People like Kim Davis prove otherwise. Also how many Catholic gay marriages have you seen performed by Priests?


Yeah really the followers of Islam would agree with Davis. Miss all the gays being thrown off rooftops over there?




Talk about denying facts. It started because we had a military presence on the Arabian peninsula. They even said as much.


It basically started with the success the green movement has had. With the rise of alternative energies, and fracking over the last 20 years.

There has been a corresponding rise of terrorism. People need to face the FACTS here is that Religion is the tool of the House of Saud and other opec countries that have been dealing with declining oil revenues from the west.

The middle east gets their revenge though with their 'Blackwaters' AQ,ISIS, Hamas,Hezbollah, and other middle eastern PMC's.

Not denying anything here. I See the farce for what it is.

Islam is a marriage of religious, and political views that is the perfect weapon of choice because every political system has their useful idiots.
edit on 25-9-2015 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: haman10

With all due respect, I have one, ONE, question for you...just one...

Do you believe ISIS is evil / bad...yes, or no? I don't need a editorial, just a simple answer (yes or no)?

Please answer the question!



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 09:10 PM
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I say pack it up everywhere, come back home and let the rest of the world sort their issues out. We have enough of everything needed in the US to not rely on any other country for the rest of time.

I have said the same thing many times. There is no need for America to be attacking countries that haven't attacked us.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 09:17 PM
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haman10 cannot answer the question I have asked. It is a paradox for him.

On the one hand the negative will show his hand, and on the other he will lose face.

haman10, you have made a comparison to a member and compared them to ISIS...I merely ask your opionion of ISIS.

Please do tell us!




posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 09:22 PM
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a reply to: neo96



Miss all the gays being thrown off rooftops over there?

Are Muslims throwing gays from rooftops here in America? No but there have been many gays over the years that have been killed by Christians here in America. We even have preachers calling from the pulpit for them to be killed. And it is hilarious that you have to resort to using ISIS to make your point even though there are Muslims in this forum that says ISIS is not adhering to the Islamic faith.


There has been a corresponding rise of terrorism.

Expect that to happen when peoples nations get invaded for no reason.


AQ,ISIS

Yes the Saudis have a hand in helping them but don't leave out the Wests involvement in getting them started.


Hamas,Hezbollah

Hamas has only been fighting Israel a nation that is holding their nation under a brutal occupation. Hezbollah has been fighting Israel when they attack their nation and they have also been fighting ISIS something we are supposed to be doing. It's funny that you leave out Israel who has admitted to funding terrorist and the UN has also caught them giving aid to Nursa front who has links to both AQ and ISIS so if we are so die hard committed to fighting terrorist then why is Israel being left alone.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 09:31 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

What is your point exactly (?); apparently I am missing it.




edit on 9/25/2015 by Flyingclaydisk because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 09:59 PM
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Here were half a million Americans in one place, yet there was no stampede: March on Washington against the Vietnam War, 1969.
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 05:37 AM
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a reply to: UnBreakable

Convenient for you.

Of course, the reactions from so called "axis of evil" states would not have been reported in the US media. What you see over there is designed to fit a particular paradigm.

Reporting anything else wouldn't have been good for propaganda purposes, would it?



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 05:39 AM
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a reply to: neo96

We get it.

Your posts tend to indicate a narrow minded near hatred of all Muslims.

Tell us something new.



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: neformore

Do they now?

Would you please quote the 'hate' ?

Hate like this is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE on ATS though.

Christianity is a death cult
edit on 26-9-2015 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: neo96

I don't need to quote it. It's quite evident to anyone that reads it.

As for the other thread, it's not relevant to this. That's just a straw man argument.



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