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originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: nOraKat
At first I thought that this might give me some insight into my own weird DNA but you're going back too far unfortunately. I'm running around 17% West Asian, 5% Ashkenazi Jewish, 3% East Asian, 2% South East Asian, 4% Oceanian, about 2% Melenesian and Austronesian, and 2% African on my autosomal DNA. My mitochondrial (mother-line) deep ancestry is quintessentially African (L2a1).
These are my averages running two DNA tests through GedMatch's Eurocentric tests for recent ancestry. Maybe 7 generations back and it is really unusual to have that much black, brown and yellow all mixed up on someone who is a white American. What you're talking about is a lot older and as such I don't think it applies to autosomal DNA but it's still really interesting. I think that you may very well be right about origins and some deeper ancestry but it's not going to show up in typical autosomal tests. I could run my DNA through the ancient DNA comparison tests and see what it picks up but even then, because my recent ancestry is strange it won't give you your average American I don't think. Certainly not your average European.
My sister (half sister, we don't have the same father) doesn't have most of the weird stuff though and I could run her DNA through the ancient ancestry comparisons as an example (with her permission of course). Our mother has some welsh by the family lore. Not much of a sample size but it's interesting to look at the DNA from the perspective that you've brought up here. My sister and I share the Jewish heritage as well as the L2a1 from our mother, but nothing African shows up in her autosomal DNA, which could be due to recombination but it's hard to say.
originally posted by: 8675309jenny
originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: nOraKat
At first I thought that this might give me some insight into my own weird DNA but you're going back too far unfortunately. I'm running around 17% West Asian, 5% Ashkenazi Jewish, 3% East Asian, 2% South East Asian, 4% Oceanian, about 2% Melenesian and Austronesian, and 2% African on my autosomal DNA. My mitochondrial (mother-line) deep ancestry is quintessentially African (L2a1).
These are my averages running two DNA tests through GedMatch's Eurocentric tests for recent ancestry. Maybe 7 generations back and it is really unusual to have that much black, brown and yellow all mixed up on someone who is a white American. What you're talking about is a lot older and as such I don't think it applies to autosomal DNA but it's still really interesting. I think that you may very well be right about origins and some deeper ancestry but it's not going to show up in typical autosomal tests. I could run my DNA through the ancient DNA comparison tests and see what it picks up but even then, because my recent ancestry is strange it won't give you your average American I don't think. Certainly not your average European.
My sister (half sister, we don't have the same father) doesn't have most of the weird stuff though and I could run her DNA through the ancient ancestry comparisons as an example (with her permission of course). Our mother has some welsh by the family lore. Not much of a sample size but it's interesting to look at the DNA from the perspective that you've brought up here. My sister and I share the Jewish heritage as well as the L2a1 from our mother, but nothing African shows up in her autosomal DNA, which could be due to recombination but it's hard to say.
See this is the only real way to establish anything solid. All the rumors, family tales, even ancient books, none of it is reliable.
When you say 17% western Asian, this could quite easily be Finnish (are you in the north midwest? Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota). Also check out pictures of Khanty and Tajik children. Often they have light eyes and hair. They are where the ancient Finns descended from. Very unique looking peoples, but when mixed with 3/4 other Europeans, you would never really notice other than maybe slightly almond shaped eyes.
originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: redhorse
You use gedmatch? Im mixed Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian...and so on in this order.. in this and ( it varies depending what gedmatch project you choose ) i have 3 % West Asian ( it is not huge amount compared what you got ) So i believe your % is not from finnish ancestry. What is intresting i also have almost 2% American Indian ( i blame viking roots on that one ) .. if West Asian you have would be finnish roots you should have less of that and i should have much more. I had none of the Samoyedic and/or Nenet or east Asian.
The study also found that the Finnish genetic pool does not resemble that of the closest linguistic group, the Hungarians, but shares more commonalities with the Dutch. The results of the study show that Finns may be more closely related to the Dutch and to Russians from eastern Moscow, than to Hungarians, whose language can be most closely linked to Finnish. The researchers have therefore concluded that Finnish genetic ancestry follows geographical rather than linguistic patterns.
originally posted by: redhorse
originally posted by: dollukka
a reply to: redhorse
You use gedmatch? Im mixed Finnish, Swedish, Norwegian...and so on in this order.. in this and ( it varies depending what gedmatch project you choose ) i have 3 % West Asian ( it is not huge amount compared what you got ) So i believe your % is not from finnish ancestry. What is intresting i also have almost 2% American Indian ( i blame viking roots on that one ) .. if West Asian you have would be finnish roots you should have less of that and i should have much more. I had none of the Samoyedic and/or Nenet or east Asian.
My Finnish is not that much, I think it averages around 5%. I was surprised to see it. The Samoyedic that comes up is usually less than 1% but it turns up consistently so I count it. On average MOST of me (around 25-ish%) is Austrian, then (mostly northern) Italian, so I figure I had some recent ancestors that got most of their DNA in the Alps straddling the border. Then comes Russian (Don Cossack no kidding), then Iberian, then Scottish, Irish, French, then finally... Finnish and Swedish and (probably) Norwegian and little bit of British Isles (Cornish) for my strictly European ancestry. This makes up about 60 to 65% and the rest is this weird mix of West Asian, East Asian, Oceanian, SE Asian, African (pygmy and Khoisan), Ashkenazi Jewish and Melanesian/Austronesian, but again, some of these are represented in really small amounts, 2 or 3% or less but consistent, save the west Asian which is a significant enough amount to point to more recent ancestry.
I have ancestral lines that have been in the U.S. for a loooong time (colonial times for my direct mother line) but for all of that I am the anti-native American. It just doesn't come up at. all. I have a "cousin" from 23andme who said that she is full Yupik Eskimo so we're both a little baffled. I expected to find that on GedMatch and I just didn't. Other than that, I am a thoroughly mixed up mutt, from just about everywhere. As I said my paternal line is unknown so I have no family lore for half of me.
I look like a typical white lady. Blonde hair, brown eyes, fair skin. High cheek bones and a strong jaw, these two facial features really stand out in my family but that could be from anything really. I'm a bit jealous of your native American though. If I had that I think I'd have every continent represented. People move around and things sure get lost don't they? It's a thing.
The terms of use at 23andMe allow it to sell the data of anyone who has consented to participate in research15 and, in fact, it has just entered into two agreements with major pharmaceutical companies to do just that.16 And it can share your data combined with that of all other 23andMe users even if you didn’t consent to research. Those who agree to participate in AncestryDNA’s research project agree to allow their genealogical, genetic, and health information to be used and shared with third-party researchers17 — which can include private companies like the pharmaceutical industry.