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originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: Gryphon66
Are we insignificant or all-powerful?
Neither. It's a spirit fight. Men have nothing to do with it, really. People are just pawns on the chessboard.
originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
I think you are neither in your right mind, nor in a place (ATS) where you can "learn all about something."
You have to check outside sources. You have to back up your claims with links and science.
You can't just come here six weeks after joining ATS and say "I'm learning all about it right here" and expect to be taken seriously.
You can learn on ATS, because this is all about "what's in the people's mind."
originally posted by: WeAreAWAKE
Well...I'll say it again. Until acted upon, what you have in your mind that you want to do isn't what you are. Anymore than a man who likes the idea of having sex with an underage child isn't a pedophile until they act. They can't be put in jail and have done nothing wrong. So a man who thinks about sex with another man isn't gay until he acts upon it.
Acting upon anything IS a choice. So...in the case of the man I mentioned...until he CHOOSES to act, he is not gay any more than the pedophile is guilty of a crime.
originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE
So you fight the urge to have sex with a man often?.
Because I could never choose to have sex with a man because I'm straight and was born straight just like gay folk are born gay.
Get over yourself.
I used to think that gays and lesbians were more open than heterosexuals, and that some believed it was a choice, while others believed they had no choice, that some just wanted freedom of expression to pick their orientation, while others wanted to be who they naturally are. But, now I see that there is only one opinion surviving, that there is no choice, and gays are "fixed" the way they are. Gays now believe that they have no choice, that nature has chosen for them, and they are not seeking freedom of expression, just demanding to be what nature made them. That's a completely different type of gay person than I thought existed before.
So, I have learnt.