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Most homosexuality is a choice

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posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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originally posted by: Teikiatsu
You tell me. Since when are gay people interested in reproduction?

We're told that gay people aren't attracted to the opposite gender, and it is that heterosexual attraction that leads to reproduction.

So if a gay person is interested in heterosexual reproduction, what does that make them?


Your points are absurd and have nothing to do with one another. Attraction to same gender has absolutely nothing to do with wanting kids. It has to do with who you are attracted to. Why can you see this? Why can't you understand that people value sex as more than just a reproductive tool? I don't see the connection between your partner type and the desire for children. If you know, please post it.


The question is, *why* do they have that biological need when they lack the heterosexual attraction to the opposite gender?


Why wouldn't they? (I bet you dodge this question again)

It's simple. Attraction is not related to biological instincts like wanting children. 2 homosexuals can love each other and want to have a child the same way that heterosexuals can. Remember you asked WHY do they WANT to have kids, not HOW they CAN biologically have kids. The answer is simple. They are in love and want to raise a child together.

If a homosexual has sex his body functions in the same exact way as if it were procreating with a woman. There is no difference in that aspect as far as the body is concerned. Just because they can't procreate through direct sex, doesn't mean they don't want to. It seems you are grasping at straws here. Can you please just make your point instead of playing this tedious guessing game?
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posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH
One person writes, another person reads. Each only knows the content of his own mind.


More like one person makes insulting generalizations up on the spot to justify his bigotry, while the other explains why he is wrong. I was directly referring to your religious beliefs that lead to discrimination against homosexuals. Pay a attention. Buddhism doesn't repress gays so why would I be referring to that? Instead of reading and responding to one liners, try reading the whole thing. Judge not lest ye be judged. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Jesus said it, you ignore it. I guess that's how it works when you cherry pick which passages in the bible to take literally.

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posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

More like one person makes insulting generalizations up on the spot to justify his bigotry,


Remember, the insults are only in the mind of the person who has particular attachments, not in the mind of the writer.



while the other explains why he is being a bigot.


The bigots are the people trying to "prevent" others from their free speech, free expression, etc..As far as I am concerned, you can believe whatever you like. I'm just trying to help you "to think".



I was directly referring to your religious beliefs that lead to discrimination against homosexuals. Pay a attention.


You have no clue what my religious beliefs are. I haven't said what they are in this thread.



Buddhism doesn't repress gays so why would I be referring to that?


Buddhism doesn't have any gays. Nothing to repress. Buddhism is about controlling your own mind. If you happen to be a homosexual, and adopt Buddhism, then you can learn to control all your urges. So, I referred to it, because it could help to cure you of the "delusion" that you're "stuck" with whatever tendencies you have, and have no choice to change.

There really is only one religion. Buddhism is one aspect of it, Christianity another aspect of it. The universe has many places. Christians aim to go to one place called Heaven. Buddhists aim to go to another place called Nirvana. It's all in the same universe. One person wants to go to America, another wants to go to Canada. Same continent, different regions.



Instead of reading and responding to one liners, try reading the whole thing. Judge not lest ye be judged.


That's right. If you don't mind being judged, then you're free to judge.

You are free to judge me, as I have judged you.

I tell you everyone can choose. So, you tell me what you think.



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 01:05 PM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Because being Gay is only about Sex, we are not people who experience emotions



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH
The bigots are the people trying to "prevent" others from their free speech, free expression, etc..As far as I am concerned, you can believe whatever you like. I'm just trying to help you "to think".


Pigeonholing people into categories based on generalizations is not going to help me think about anything except the narrow mindedness of those particular viewpoints.



You have no clue what my religious beliefs are. I haven't said what they are in this thread.

So all of those bible quotes and references were just for fun? Do you follow Judaism and not Christianity?



Buddhism doesn't have any gays.

Complete load of crap.

gaybuddhist.org...

Explain that if there are no gay Buddhists.


If you happen to be a homosexual, and adopt Buddhism, then you can learn to control all your urges.


Same with heterosexuals. You still haven't yet grasped the fact that homosexuality is about the attraction, not controlling your urges. I can control my urges all I want, but if I'm attracted to the same sex, I'm attracted to the same sex. Do you honestly believe that somebody who doesn't have sex, yet gets turned on by gay porn is not gay?


So, I referred to it, because it could help to cure you of the "delusion" that you're "stuck" with whatever tendencies you have, and have no choice to change.


No delusions here, pal. I believe that every person should be themselves and not be forced to comply with intolerant viewpoints such as yours.


Buddhists aim to go to another place called Nirvana.


Nirvana is a state of enlightenment, not a physical place where you go after you die. Big difference. It's like how people talk about achieving heaven on earth. Based on a person's actions and karma, they create their own "heaven" or "hell" in their own respective lives.
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posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 01:23 PM
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I tell you everyone can choose. So, you tell me what you think.


I think the type of person that thinks there is a choice is the type of person that has a choice......



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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originally posted by: Prezbo369
a reply to: AMPTAH



I tell you everyone can choose. So, you tell me what you think.


I think the type of person that thinks there is a choice is the type of person that has a choice......


Yes. But, even the type of person who doesn't think he has a choice, can be changed into the type of person who thinks he has a choice. This type of change is also possible.

The real obstacle is "wanting to change."

If someone doesn't want to change, he will convince himself that change is impossible, since he "fixes" his beliefs around his wants.



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 01:45 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

So far all you have done is Quote Scriptures, you have provided no "Proof" that is a choice, there have been numerous members with personal stories on people who have Never Made that choice, there have been GLBTQ+ members here who have said they have Never Made that choice. there is actually more scientific proof that Sexual Orientation is not a choice



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: Barcs

Pigeonholing people into categories based on generalizations is not going to help me think about anything except the narrow mindedness of those particular viewpoints.


You are already thinking, whether you realize it or not. It is impossible to be exposed to alternate ideas, and not to think.




If you happen to be a homosexual, and adopt Buddhism, then you can learn to control all your urges.

Same with heterosexuals.


True. Heterosexuals seek help and therapy for their sexual urges all the time. Many people believe that the famous golfer Tiger Woods should seek therapy for his sexual escapades. He is heterosexual. But, that doesn't mean he doesn't need therapy. For some reason, sex therapy for homosexuals is taboo. You can't talk about it. Why on earth is Tiger Woods attracted to all those different females? Something is wrong with him. See? Heterosexuals have no problem discussing the problems with their sexuality. Why do homosexuals require politicians who mention therapy removed?

No one is allowed to question the "homo-doctrine" that has become "dogma".

We can question on ATS, with "hidden identities", but not in public and keep our public office.

So, ATS is the last place on earth, were a gay person can come and hear something "alternate" from the viewpoint being pushed on all homosexuals by the controllers of information.




You still haven't yet grasped the fact that homosexuality is about the attraction, not controlling your urges. I can control my urges all I want, but if I'm attracted to the same sex, I'm attracted to the same sex. Do you honestly believe that somebody who doesn't have sex, yet gets turned on by gay porn is not gay?


And you haven't grasped the fact that all attraction is "attachment" built up from previous "habits" of the soul, and it requires spiritual techniques to change those "deep tendencies", it's called "samskaras".

Here is how it works. Your friends introduce you to a new type of activity, call it "tree cutting". You participate with your friends in many "tree cutting" events. It is a "bonding" activity for the group. You get praised when your "tree cutting" excels in some fashion. You cut the fastest, the most trees down, etc..You spend a lot of time in this particular "tree cutting" behavior. So, the muscles of your arms get used to it, and certain muscles grow and develop. Your brain has to send particular signals to those muscles, so certain neurons in your brain also grow and develop. Your mind has to activate the brain's particular neurons, so parts of the subtle mind also grow and develop. It becomes a "habit". Something you're good at, and something you like. Something you can easily do without much effort, anymore, because your whole system is tuned to the behavior. You get an itch to go cut a tree every now and then. So, you go out and cut trees. You die, then are reborn with a new body, but your subtle mind comes over from the past life. You don't remember things, but somehow you find there are things you're automatically good at, while there are other things that are a challenge. The habits from the former existence have come over to the new life, and you find you are mysteriously attracted to somethings and not to others. So, you gravitate towards your former behaviors. This time, however, it's not your friends that "rope you in". Something within you drives you to seek out certain behaviors, and to think of these particular things interesting or attractive. The habit, is deep within your being, no longer just in the physical body. So, changing a physical body, doesn't change the inner nature.
To change that inner nature, you have to work on the mind.



No delusions here, pal. I believe that every person should be themselves and not be forced to comply with intolerant viewpoints such as yours.


He whoever believes he has no delusions, is the most deluded.




Nirvana is a state of enlightenment, not a physical place where you go after you die. Big difference.


There are no physical places. Everything is in the mind.



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 02:29 PM
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So, ATS is the last place on earth, were a gay person can come and hear something "alternate" from the viewpoint being pushed on all homosexuals by the controllers of information.


Wow.

I'd say, rather, that ATS is the last place on earth that religious people should come and expect their evangelism to be accepted. Honestly, I don't understand the draw. We're here to EXPOSE the things that you espouse as the "truth" - to DENY IGNORANCE, not condone it and spread it.

Why are you even here?

And, clearly, as an aside: You have repressed sexuality. Like so many Christians do.
So many "Puritans" and "Victorian Morals".
Get over it. The world is changing, whether you like it or not.


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posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 02:35 PM
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originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: AMPTAH
So far all you have done is Quote Scriptures, you have provided no "Proof" that is a choice


That is the difficult thing about religion, isn't it?

All religion requires "faith" that someone before us knew things, and wrote these documents of scripture down to guide the future generations.

You need the "faith" to enter the religious path with sincerity. The "Proof" comes along the way. But, if you never enter the path, you can never get to the destination.

There is no way to "prove" that ice-cream tastes good, before you actually taste it.

That is the real problem here. You require some kind of proof, before believing. But you have to believe first, then you find the proof.

If instead, you believe all those religious folk are just "religious nuts", and "religious bigots", then you never get to put your own foot on the path, because your own mind and attitude prevents you from finding the proof.



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 02:45 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

I don't think every Religious person is a Bigot or "Religious Nuts"

You are starting to prove my point though, since Religion is a personal Belief system it can't be "Law" over everyone. just because it's what you are told to believe doesn't make it "Fact" because other people have different beliefs



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs

I'd say, rather, that ATS is the last place on earth that religious people should come and expect their evangelism to be accepted. Honestly, I don't understand the draw.


You don't have to accept. The mind only needs to see, to hear, and to witness.

Every action we take plants "seeds" in the world.

There are different kinds of seeds. Good seeds, bad seeds. They all grow up and bear "fruit".

Whether you believe it or not, you read my words you will change.

But, the mind is like a rebel. It repels the things it hears, when it's contrary to what it wants to hear.

Nevertheless, it has still heard.

A seed, once planted in the mind, remains there forever. At some point, the seed will find favorable conditions, and suddenly begin to grow into a tree, and bear beautiful fruit. The buddha believes that this could take several "lifetimes". But, eventually, the fruit does appear.




Why are you even here?


Where else would I be?

Consider the topic of this thread. Who would need to hear the alternate views, but those seeking to answer the question

"Is most homosexuality a choice?"

Homosexuals cannot answer this question by themselves. Because, they have already convinced themselves "mentally" that this is impossible. The only puzzling thing, is why would any gay or lesbian participate in this thread, since they all seem know the answer "that suites them" already?




And, clearly, as an aside: You have repressed sexuality. Like so many Christians do.
So many "Puritans" and "Victorian Morals".
Get over it. The world is changing, whether you like it or not.


Gee, all of the assumptions we make of other people. "repressed", "christian", "puritan", "victorian" ...who are those people?



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 02:57 PM
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Every action we take plants "seeds" in the world.

Right. I was a psycho-analytic counselor for several years, and I know that. I know all about "planting seeds" and hoping they come to sprout someday.


There are different kinds of seeds. Good seeds, bad seeds. They all grow up and bear "fruit".

Yep. Fortunately, some people are resilient enough to gag on the 'bad seeds' and declare them as 'poison.' Like believing they were born "worthless" and "sinners", and irredeemable unless they do WHAT YOU SAY.


Whether you believe it or not, you read my words you will change.


LOL!! Funny. Yeah, it's 'changing me' - to be even more critical of "evangelists" who think they know the mind of everyone.

Your entire premise............What a total fail.



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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You keep going off on unrelated tangents. Focus on the subject at hand instead of invoking fallacies.


originally posted by: AMPTAH

True. Heterosexuals seek help and therapy for their sexual urges all the time. Many people believe that the famous golfer Tiger Woods should seek therapy for his sexual escapades. He is heterosexual. But, that doesn't mean he doesn't need therapy. For some reason, sex therapy for homosexuals is taboo. You can't talk about it. Why on earth is Tiger Woods attracted to all those different females? Something is wrong with him. See? Heterosexuals have no problem discussing the problems with their sexuality. Why do homosexuals require politicians who mention therapy removed?


Equivocation.

You are not suggesting that Tiger Woods should have therapy to change his orientation. You are suggesting that he has relationships with too many women. If a homosexual was having sex with too many same sex partners THEN you could relate the two things. Maybe it's healthier for them to have less partners. Maybe not. Maybe it makes them happy. It's a different issue. For homosexuals you are saying they should have therapy to change the orientation. They are NOT the same thing and this is why your logic falls off a cliff again.


No one is allowed to question the "homo-doctrine" that has become "dogma".

The only "doctrine" I'm referring to is in the constitution and bill of rights. All people are created equal. I know that is hard for you to grasp, but it's very simple. There is no homo doctrine or dogma. There is equality and then there is treating people like lesser humans because of something they have no control over.


And you haven't grasped the fact that all attraction is "attachment" built up from previous "habits" of the soul, and it requires spiritual techniques to change those "deep tendencies", it's called "samskaras".


Of course I haven't grasped that, because it's a complete guess on your part. You can't prove any of that.


Here is how it works............etc


Again, that is a complete guess, not how anything actually works.



He whoever believes he has no delusions, is the most deluded.


Yawn. Another meaningless statement. Big surprise here.



There are no physical places. Everything is in the mind.


Then why are you here?

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posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Yep. Fortunately, some people are resilient enough to gag on the 'bad seeds' and declare them as 'poison.' Like believing they were born "worthless" and "sinners", and irredeemable unless they do WHAT YOU SAY.


Sin is something that when you do it, the result ends in death.

That's all it really is. Its about "life" verses "death."

Now I haven't told anyone here what to do. That's not my religion.

My religion says, if a person is to have a choice, then that person must be aware of "alternatives".

If you don't know of any alternatives, then you can't pick another option.

That's all my posts are about.

There are alternatives to the belief that Homosexuals cannot change, and that they have no choice but to be gay.

You don't have to accept any of the alternatives. But, if you're not aware of different ways to think about the world, then there are no options to choose from.







Whether you believe it or not, you read my words you will change.

LOL!! Funny. Yeah, it's 'changing me' - to be even more critical of "evangelists" who think they know the mind of everyone.



Laugh now, cry later.



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posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 06:26 PM
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If you don't know of any alternatives, then you can't pick another option.

That's all my posts are about.

Very true. Like if all you've ever been taught is that you'll go straight to hell if you are gay, then you don't know that it's not true. Like if you are not aware of any OTHER religions, but only brainwashed by the one into which you were born and which your community tells you is 'the truth', then you are not aware of the alternatives to that sick, manufactured, controlling, shaming belief system.


There are alternatives to the belief that Homosexuals cannot change, and that they have no choice but to be gay.

No.

They are born the way they are. The only "choice" they have is whether to be true to themselves, or not. To enjoy sex the way they were born to do, or not.


You are saying that if they are true to themselves, they will go to hell.

Which means you are judging people and telling them their lives.

So, no. AMPTAH. No.

And for what it's worth (not much), you should think really long and hard about how maybe it's YOU who will Go To Hell.







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posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 06:42 PM
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The buddha believes that this could take several "lifetimes". But, eventually, the fruit does appear.

That again, is correct.
I've a feeling you have many, many, many "lifetimes" to go before you begin to bear "good fruit."



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 07:46 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Do you believe in "Conversion Therapy"?



posted on Oct, 9 2015 @ 08:00 PM
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Right. Because torture and execution to non-believers isn't a part of Christianity's history...


You are forgiven.

Then I will continue to oppose this poisonous religion, and continue to be forgiven for it.



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