Most homosexuality is a choice

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: boymonkey74

I know two lesbians who are married and both want to have kids the biological clock still ticks even If people are gay.

Well, the mind and the body are out of sync.

This is sufficient proof, that the lesbians are sitting in "heterosexual bodies" but have "homosexual thoughts".

WOW dude, just WOW

This post just goes to show the extreme level of ignorance you have about being gay.

There is no heterosexual drive in any of us gays if we want to reproduce. Even gay penguins look after babies
www.bbc.com...
I'd take in any child that I saw homeless or neglected if needed. In fact all those Syrian orphans tug at my heart strings and if it were possible I'd take in a few boys and girls. I would do it because I know I can give a safe and happy home to them to grow up in and recover from the horrors of war.

The desire to procreate or not has nothing to do with sexual attraction pal. My straight and married brother who is 32 shows no interest in having kids. He and his wife have a house full of pets instead. Yet my youngest brother has just announced that he and his wife are going to have a baby in March.

originally posted by: markosity1973

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: boymonkey74

I know two lesbians who are married and both want to have kids the biological clock still ticks even If people are gay.

Well, the mind and the body are out of sync.

This is sufficient proof, that the lesbians are sitting in "heterosexual bodies" but have "homosexual thoughts".

WOW dude, just WOW

This post just goes to show the extreme level of ignorance you have about being gay.

IMO - - its a chosen ignorance.

I think he knows "what's what" - - - but, chooses what he decides fits a belief.

originally posted by: Barcs
Religion is poison.

That's the famous communist party line, from Mao Tse Tung.

I think the religion he was referring to was Buddhism, and the various related forms of the eastern doctrines, like Lamaism, maybe even Taoism, and would include things like Falun Gong if he were alive today.

Those religions generally had people sit and meditate, and he was interested in people doing work, building the nation. So, it was a practical view to take, to get people motivated to construct the material things the society required.

I happen to disagree with the statement, but recognize the value of having some people believe it. Both the yin and the yang work together to accomplish the same goals. God created the Devil for the same reason.

Because many people believe that "religion is poison", we get lots of material things appearing in the world. One of these things is the internet, which, as it happens, makes it easier than ever to get the message of various religions out there to those with ears to hear. So, is materialism bad? It helps to spread the spiritualism in the end.

Don't let it make you a different person than you are.

Who are we, really? Depending on the society you grow up in, you think of yourself as this or that.

But, when you dig deep down, into the nature of reality, you find all the core things that make up our being has been described in the scriptures somewhere.

At the core, all the religions tell us that man is made up of 3 parts.

1) body
2) emotion
3) thought

The mystic Gurdjieff liked to call these three,

1) the moving center
2) the emotional center
3) the intellectual center

With our body, we move about the world. When we encounter things, they motivate feelings, and we think about them, reason about what we see and feel, and use our mind to plan and execute actions.

The thing about the Buddhists, and eastern religions in general, is they say man has these 3 "poisons". You think "religion is poison", but religion says man himself is poisoned with three things

1) greed
2) anger
3) delusion

Notice that the poisons correspond to the 3 parts of a human being. It is with the body, that we feed our greed. Classic example is eating too much and getting fat, but also the lusts of the flesh, like sex. We are busy with consumption. Collecting material things, buying cars, houses, computers, etc..Now when we don't get exactly what we want, then enters the next poison "anger". Man gets angry when his life is being controlled, and he can't feed the greed. Then, of course, there are all those things we think we need, that we really don't, and all the people we think are controlling us, when they really aren't, hence enter the final poison "delusion".

Now in the old testament, the lord deals with these poisons, and he has a rather harsh cure;

1) famine
2) war
3) persecution

1) A third part of thee shall die with the pestilence, and with famine shall they be consumed in the midst of thee:

2) and a third part shall fall by the sword round about thee;

3) and I will scatter a third part into all the winds, and I will draw out a sword after them.

KJV, Ezekiel 5:12

So, as you can see, the old testament LORD deals with these same Buddhist poisons in a different way. Where the land has practiced "greed" he brings "famine". Where people are controlling others, generating "anger", he brings the sword of "war" and conflict. And finally, where people are "deluded", he brings them the threat of sword, but not actual sword, he just chases them around the planet, and they run hither and thither imagining "persecutions"; they suffer mentally, but not physically.

Jesus thought, that this was a bit harsh, so he brought in a new doctrine, for those who follow him, i.e. the true Christians;
For the 3 poisons, he preached the 3 "antidotes";

1) charity
2) hope
3) faith

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
KJV, 1 Corinthians 13:13

So, according to Christian doctrine, the solution to the poison of "greed" is to have "charity". The solution to "anger" is to provide "hope". And the solution to "delusion" is to give the people "faith".

Of course, if you're a Christian, you'll learn all about these things, and you'll be set on the path to cure your soul of these 3 poisons. But, what about the people who are not Christian. They still play a role in the society. And what they do, affects what Christians do. So, there must be broader solution for everyone, even non-believers. That's when the founders of nations decided to make a society based on the 3 "pillars"

1) commerce
2) sports and entertainment
3) education

Most of your life now, is occupied with these 3 pillars of society. Doesn't matter whether you're religious or not. You have no choice, because it is deliberately set up this way, so that everyone has to follow religion. They don't know they are in a religious system, they think that religion is over there, and the rest of society is over here. But, it's all religion.

The societies "antidotes" are: 1st, to satisfy your "greed", you need money, to buy all the things you want to have. But, to get that money, you need to demonstrate "charity". You have to provide your labor, your time, your assets, things you own, to someone else who needs or wants these things, before you can get the money to buy the things to satisfy your own greed.
All that person does, is hand you pieces of paper called dollar notes. These things have no value. Society makes them have a potential value by conventions, so that you can use these worthless pieces of paper, to demand the things you want.

So, the "alchemical" principle involved here is "individual greed, is transformed into collective charity" , by setting up the 1st pillar of society, which is "commerce". LEAD has been transformed into GOLD. Lead is the poison, and Gold is the antidote, the final objective, that cures the poison.

2nd, to protect against "anger", the society finds a way to diffuse the tensions. So, a poor family may be angry at the society that denies them this or that. They may riot, break into shops, and generally be disorderly. So, we give them sports. An individual from a disadvantaged group, can become a basketball star, and make millions of dollars, and all of the people who identify with him, can sit around the TV set and "cheer". They all have hope, that if he can do it, there's always a chance that any one of them can do it. There's a way out of the poverty, since one of us has done so. And we all run out and buy a basket ball and begin practicing. That takes our mind off of the injustices of inequality, and the sport has given "hope" to the many.

3rd, education...for deusion...etc..

from here, you can begin to re-construct the plan of the world. There's too much to go into here, and it would take us far off topic.

But, the main point is "religion is not poison", "religion is the antidote" to the poison. It is just that many people can't see.

a reply to: Annee

I think there is a lot of that.. some things people say makes no sense even if their belief is Bias based on their Religion, it just defies actual sense

a reply to: AMPTAH

You do not need religion to find God in fact religion is anti god.

a reply to: AMPTAH

So, is it difficult for you being gay and being so religious?

It seems like you are fighting this just a little bit too hard my friend. Almost like you are trying to convince yourself here.....

There have been scientific studies that show Most Men who are more "homophobic" ( I understand people have a problem with the "Phobia") are more aroused by Gay porn

a reply to: Skyfloating

Having read the OP’s statement that homosexuality is not a choice, that people are not born that way the following can be stated:

Personal experience aside, the question is how does one really know? Can it be proven absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt, survive the peer review of the scientific community that such is one way or the other?

The reality is that the science of attraction is a very new science, less than 15 years old, and even science cannot tell you why a person would be attracted to one person over another, or why every person has their idea of what is beautiful or not.

Having dealt with the LGBT community directly and in all the different walks of life, one tends to pick up on the social aspects. And listening to many of them the following can be stated: Many, and one would say about 90% if not more, who identify as homosexual have tried sex with the opposite sex at least once or twice in their life. And have found out that either they do not like such or they are unable to perform, or have the desire to be with a person of the opposite sex.

If as the op would state that sexuality is a choice, then it opens the door fairly to ask the OP, at what age did he decide to be straight? Has he even had sex with a member of the same sex? What qualifications does he have, beyond personal experience in such matters?

Back in the mid 20th century, Kinsey did much to explore and find out about the human sexuality and try to figure out those questions, but as they were not acceptable at that time frame it was shut down rather quickly. Right now I would say that this be tabled until science can, with empirical proof, state what makes a person attracted to another. It would be there that the answers to if a person is or is not born a homosexual would be answered.

originally posted by: markosity1973
a reply to: AMPTAH

So, is it difficult for you being gay and being so religious?

It seems like you are fighting this just a little bit too hard my friend. Almost like you are trying to convince yourself here.....

It is easy for me. I follow the things I believe. And yes, I am "happy" doing so.

Where is the fight?

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: AMPTAH

You do not need religion to find God in fact religion is anti god.

I have to say I agree and it would seem Elohim does too. I believe in Him but don't need the Church to tell me I am an abomination and going to Hell. Elohim gives me the strength to stand up to the misguided religious nuts. He teaches me to be understanding that their addiction, though a choice, is spiritually destructive and that they are to be pitied. If only they allowed their preconceptions to drop a while and let in the Holy Spirit to guide them in, say, the scriptures. They would achieve so much more and see that gays are spiritually evolved. They would learn what they alone need to learn and not follow the single syllabus religion prescribes which wrongly denounces gays as sinners and deviants. We are all different spiritually, all at different points in our development, yet one size is expected to fit all if you fit the straight criteria in the first place. This is what you can do if you allow yourself to be guided. Genesis + DNA + zodiac... not bad for a queer who is supposed to burst into flames next to a Bible and loves Elohim.

a reply to: AMPTAH

And yes, I am "happy" doing so.

Was that a joke you tried to make?

So yes you are gay, right?

Where is the fight?

Well nobody is fighting but you.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Take a step back from a second and ask yourself this

How many times is homosexuality mentioned in the bible?

The Bible specifically mentions sexual intercourse between persons of the same sex as among the forbidden acts. Homosexual acts are mentioned in seven Bible passages: 1

www.christianbiblereference.org...

How many pages does the bible have?

There are 23,145 verses in the Old Testament and 7,957 verses in the New Testament. This gives a total of 31,102 verses, which is an average of a little more than 26 verses per chapter.

en.wikipedia.org...

If one does the maths homosexuality makes up 0.0225% of the content of the bible.

Why spend so much time fussing over it.? Why not focus on the other 99.08% of the teachings? To be Christian is to be a lighthouse of the love Jesus has for us all, not some paranoid homophobe. You don't need to understand or approve of homosexuality, you just need to understand that gay people exist, we are who we are and if you don't push our buttons, we will not push yours.

Reflect on it and may the peace and love of Christ be upon you my friend.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig

Having dealt with the LGBT community directly and in all the different walks of life, one tends to pick up on the social aspects. And listening to many of them the following can be stated: Many, and one would say about 90% if not more, who identify as homosexual have tried sex with the opposite sex at least once or twice in their life. And have found out that either they do not like such or they are unable to perform, or have the desire to be with a person of the opposite sex.

I think it is pretty common for a woman not to have her best sexual encounter with a man on the first occasion. There are various reasons for this. The couple is usually young, and both inexperienced. The timing of biological reactions in the male and female are different. The guy finishes too quickly, and the girl walks away with a "ho hum" feeling, what was that all about. Women learn to have better experiences with time, and the men learn self control over time. But, women usually know about the woman's body, from day one. So, if a girl dates a guy, has just one encounter, then tries to go with a girl, she will probably have more fun with the girl, and then say to herself, this is better for me.

A girl simply knows what buttons to push, to get reactions. Because she herself has those buttons in the same places. The guy has to learn and practice, and then watch for visible and verbal feedback. So, some forms of homosexuality may simply be the result of the particular sequence of romantic encounters a person has had, leading them to believe that they are oriented in a particular way, whereas in fact, it all depends on the knowledge of the person they dated, and that person's experience in the arts.

originally posted by: markosity1973

If one does the maths homosexuality makes up 0.0225% of the content of the bible.

Why spend so much time fussing over it.? Why not focus on the other 99.08% of the teachings? To be Christian is to be a lighthouse of the love Jesus has for us all, not some paraniod homophobe.

Reflect on it and may the peace and love of Christ be upon you my friend.

Actually, those stats skew the reasoning. Much of the bible is just about historical events, of this tribe and that tribe.
The actual "laws" are quite few.

More importantly, the bible uses this word "abomination" in only a few places. Otherwise, things are simply "sins".

So, the bible itself, has "elevated" homosexual behavior to the level of an "abomination" among the sins.

Regarding spending time on homosexuality, that is just this "thread". The title is "Most Homosexualty is a choice",
so I would think 99% of the posts here should be about homosexuality, to stay on topic. I myself deviate, now and then into religion, but always come back to the theme of the thread, to stay on topic.

So, the question is a strange one.

originally posted by: Deaf Alien

Well nobody is fighting but you.

Ok. But, I am not fighting. Where do you see evidence of a fight?

a reply to: AMPTAH

So do you wear two different types of cloth? ever eaten shellfish?
Ever had a haircut?.
If so you are breaking the same laws from the same book that mentions gay folk and should be stoned to death...
Why cherry pick? to attempt to disguise your bigotry that's why.

a reply to: AMPTAH

Ok. But, I am not fighting. Where do you see evidence of a fight?

Your posts are evidence.

It is ok dude.

a reply to: boymonkey74

Yep, nobody walking this earth today is without sin.

Every Christian should know this. I'm comfortable with my imperfections, but are they with theirs? And why do they feel the need to call us out over and above anyone else?

Because it gets them attention and kudos from their mates is why. It's all about fitting in, not following true Christianity at all.