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originally posted by: AMPTAH
originally posted by: TheLamb
John 15 18-21: If the world hates you, you know that it hated me before it hated you. If you were of this world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you... if they persecuted me they also persecuted you because they do not know Him that sent me.
Gays have been hated by the world for centuries, kicked out and persecuted. Jesus chooses us out of the world and the world hates us just as you do.
Nah. The world does not hate gays. Part of the world does. The other part loves them. If it were not so, there would be no law protecting gays and lesbians today. Gays and lesbians would not be able to marry. They get to marry, because lots of the world loves them. Homosexuals sin, but so do heterosexuals. All the sinners love each other. They may have different types of sin, but nobody is sinless. Just being hated and persecuted does not automatically make you Jesus' pick. You have to be hated and persecuted "for your righteousness", not "for your sins". You have to be Jailed like Kim Davis, for your right actions, and suffer mental torture, believing in your heart you're doing right by your faith, and have the state powers tell you that you're wrong and punish you for that belief. That's the persecution. It's a persecution for righteous actions. That's why Kim Davis gets an audience with the Pope. To tell her to "stay strong".
Don't confuse the fact, that Jesus hung out with the sinners, with the rewards for sin itself. Its the same reason that the Pope is trying to embrace gays and lesbians today. Those that sin the most are most in need of hearing the word. The pope wants all gays and lesbians to be in his church, to hear the message daily. But they are not saved, until they come and hear the word, and grasp what it says, and repent.
originally posted by: TheLamb
Kim Davis was imprisoned because she herself led into captivity. She denied gays the freedom to marry. Rev 13.
Yes, Jesus mixed with sinners but there is no mention of homosexuals. Why's that then?
originally posted by: Lucid Lunacy
So changing ones orientation is simply a matter of changing your perspective on life.
...and yet the vast majority of people [from all orientations] claim they don't have a choice, that it endures throughout their life, and the attempts with conversion therapy have been unsuccessful.
originally posted by: babybunnies
Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so.
Homosexual LOVE is not a choice. Homosexual SEX is definitely a choice.
And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. KJV, Mark 12:31
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, .... KJV, Matthew 5:44
Have you noticed the most anti gay folk on ATS are actually fighting their urge not to be gay?.
I think many are gay but deny their true feelings.
I also believe it is a choice made by homo sapiens to be homosexual.
If it was genetic I think we would see it in other animals