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posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

No. You're not.
You're just another human being trying to control others according to archaic doctrine




posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 11:01 PM
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Can i ask why you are so adamant against Same-Sex Marriages, and since this is about Homosexuality and if one selects it or not, why do you think it's a choice? what makes you believe that i and other GLBTQ+ people made this choice?



posted on Oct, 2 2015 @ 11:58 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: AMPTAH

You're just another human being


I'm that too.

I am many things. For ATS I AM PTAH.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 12:08 AM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

You just have to learn to meditate.

I've been practicing meditation for about a decade now.

Still the same orientation I always was.

Thanks for the insight.
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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
We are all connected. We are all one.
We will all be reunited with the Divine. That's all there is to it.


Yes, this is true. That's why we all have to care. The goal is to bring all the lost souls back to base.



Are you saying that gay people are lost souls? How wrong you are. Revelation 14 is clear: " These are they which were not defiled by women (males who don't sleep with women) and they are virgins (females who haven't been penetrated by men)...And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God." Adam and Eve sinned. They were straight. Their punishment was sorrow, the opposite of 'gay'. Gays are innocent in the eyes of God. The redeemed ones numbered 144000 and were of Israel. In the first century when Revelation was written there were 4.5 million Jews in the world. 144000/4.5m = 3.2%. The Bible gives us an accurate percentage of the gay population. That shows it is not a choice but a work of God.

Gays receive automatic salvation.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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originally posted by: TheLamb
Are you saying that gay people are lost souls?


Here's what the bible says,



Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. KJV, 2 Timothy 2:22

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. KJV, John 8:44

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: KJV, Romans 1:24

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: KJV, Romans 1:26

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. KJV, Romans 1:27

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. KJV, Romans 6:12

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. KJV, Galatians 5:16

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. KJV, Galatians 5:17

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; KJV, 2 Timothy 4:3

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. KJV, 2 Timothy 4:4

Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; KJV, 1 Peter 2:11



Talk to the monks on Mount Athos to find out what males not defiled by women and virgins mean.




Gays receive automatic salvation.


Of course, you can believe what you will. But, here is what actually happens at the end of the cycle.



Jesus said, "The Kingdom of the Father is like a man who had [good] seed. His enemy came by night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The man did not allow them to pull up the weeds; he said to them, 'I am afraid that you will go intending to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be plainly visible, and they will be pulled up and burned." The Gospel of Thomas #57, Matthew 13:24-30, 13:36-43


So, if you're going to refer to scriptures, then you should be aware of the plot. Man is a crop planted on earth. There is sow time, grow time, and harvest time. If you want to believe in Evolution, fine. But, the scriptures say God is a Farmer, not an evolutionist. Mankind is his crop.

Here's the drama. God plants good men on the earth. The Devil plants wicked men among God's plants. In the beginning, early part of the growing season, it is difficult to tell who is good and who is wicked. The wicked don't reveal themselves. They hide among the good. They do their wickedness "in secret". So, outwardly, all look the same. If you try to extract the wicked, you might remove a good person, because its hard to tell who is who. So, no witch hunts. Because you might burn the innocent. Later in the growing season, however, the wicked get bolder, and they start coming "out of the closet". Remember, the wicked are the Devils own, so they are "PROUD", while the good are of God, and they are "HUMBLE". So, it is easy to identify the wicked once they come "out of the closet." By harvest time all of the wicked have come out, they proudly display their sins to the world, no longer hiding behind closed doors, doing their sins in private, they want the public to see them doing their sins. That's why the scriptures say, at harvest time

" the weeds will be plainly visible".

You wouldn't need "an inquisition" to find out what sins they committed. They themselves will be proudly displaying their sin to the whole world. None of the wicked will be hiding anymore. Their activity will become accepted, and revealed, by all and to everyone. Everyone will know who they are. That means, society has to allow them to come out of the closet. Otherwise, we wouldn't know who the sinners are.

So, after reading all of the scriptures, you get to decide. Are the sinners the heterosexuals, or the homosexuals?

The heterosexuals have never been in hiding. They have always identified themselves. They had no reason to hide. Their's was never considered a sin.





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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Are you going to ignore my Question?



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 03:03 PM
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originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: AMPTAH

Are you going to ignore my Question?


You directed your last post to me?

Why do I think it's a choice?

Well, it depends on how you look at it. Does a smoker have a choice to smoke or not?

Ultimately, yes, the smoker has a choice. However, that doesn't mean that it is "easy" for the smoker to give up smoking.

There's the "urge" to smoke. It was built up from habits and innate tendencies. All habits are difficult to overcome.

The main point, however, that everything of this world "can be overcome".



For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. KJV, 1 John 5:4


So, no matter the sin, or the worldly tendencies and habits any individual has, they all "can" be overcome. The choice is always yours to "decide" to set your path towards overcoming worldly things.



He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. KJV, Revelation 2:7


The guarantee is that "if you overcome" then you get to paradise. That means you have a "choice". You make the choice, decide to set your foot on the right path. God sees your effort, and he "selects" you for salvation. You can't do it all by yourself, you need God's Grace to be saved. But, you must make the effort first.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

So you fight the choice then? being gay?.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: TheLamb
Are you saying that gay people are lost souls?


Here's what the bible says,



Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart. KJV, 2 Timothy 2:22

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. KJV, John 8:44

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: KJV, Romans 1:24

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: KJV, Romans 1:26

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. KJV, Romans 1:27

Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. KJV, Romans 6:12

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. KJV, Galatians 5:16

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. KJV, Galatians 5:17

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; KJV, 2 Timothy 4:3

And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. KJV, 2 Timothy 4:4

Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul; KJV, 1 Peter 2:11



Talk to the monks on Mount Athos to find out what males not defiled by women and virgins mean.




Gays receive automatic salvation.


Of course, you can believe what you will. But, here is what actually happens at the end of the cycle.



Jesus said, "The Kingdom of the Father is like a man who had [good] seed. His enemy came by night and sowed weeds among the good seed. The man did not allow them to pull up the weeds; he said to them, 'I am afraid that you will go intending to pull up the weeds and pull up the wheat along with them.' For on the day of the harvest the weeds will be plainly visible, and they will be pulled up and burned." The Gospel of Thomas #57, Matthew 13:24-30, 13:36-43


So, if you're going to refer to scriptures, then you should be aware of the plot. Man is a crop planted on earth. There is sow time, grow time, and harvest time. If you want to believe in Evolution, fine. But, the scriptures say God is a Farmer, not an evolutionist. Mankind is his crop.

Here's the drama. God plants good men on the earth. The Devil plants wicked men among God's plants. In the beginning, early part of the growing season, it is difficult to tell who is good and who is wicked. The wicked don't reveal themselves. They hide among the good. They do their wickedness "in secret". So, outwardly, all look the same. If you try to extract the wicked, you might remove a good person, because its hard to tell who is who. So, no witch hunts. Because you might burn the innocent. Later in the growing season, however, the wicked get bolder, and they start coming "out of the closet". Remember, the wicked are the Devils own, so they are "PROUD", while the good are of God, and they are "HUMBLE". So, it is easy to identify the wicked once they come "out of the closet." By harvest time all of the wicked have come out, they proudly display their sins to the world, no longer hiding behind closed doors, doing their sins in private, they want the public to see them doing their sins. That's why the scriptures say, at harvest time

" the weeds will be plainly visible".

You wouldn't need "an inquisition" to find out what sins they committed. They themselves will be proudly displaying their sin to the whole world. None of the wicked will be hiding anymore. Their activity will become accepted, and revealed, by all and to everyone. Everyone will know who they are. That means, society has to allow them to come out of the closet. Otherwise, we wouldn't know who the sinners are.

So, after reading all of the scriptures, you get to decide. Are the sinners the heterosexuals, or the homosexuals?

The heterosexuals have never been in hiding. They have always identified themselves. They had no reason to hide. Their's was never considered a sin.






John 15 18-21: If the world hates you, you know that it hated me before it hated you. If you were of this world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you... if they persecuted me they also persecuted you because they do not know Him that sent me.
Gays have been hated by the world for centuries, kicked out and persecuted. Jesus chooses us out of the world and the world hates us just as you do.

Gospel of Thomas 30: Where there are three deities they are divine. Where there are two or one, I am with that one.
LES = three letters, anagram of ELS or EL+S plural. EL means God or divine. LES is French for 'they' in the imperative.
BI = Two
AN = Indefinite article singular, ie One.
HOMO = two meanings in Greek: one, same + two, both.
Jesus is with that one.

Don't rely on Paul for quotes. He is the red dragon in Revelation. The red is his Roman tunic and the blood he spilled. When he supposedly regained his sight scales fell from his eyes. They were dragon scales. Paul's interpretation of the old testament was fundamentally flawed because he was a fraud.

And what of 'them' in Genesis? They were created in the divine image male and female, blessed and told to fill the world with dominion over the fish, foul, plants, trees and animals. Adam was created from the mud, kept in the land locked garden and cursed. He only named the animals. Had he dominion over them he would have dealt with the snake.

See? I know the 'plot' that trips everyone up. Did you enjoy your trip?



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 04:17 PM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: AMPTAH

So you fight the choice then? being gay?.


Not everyone has to fight the same urges. It depends on what your particular sins are. Some are easy choices. Others are hard. Many people have fought and overcome their sexual impulses. There are whole communities of monks that have conquered all thoughts of sex entirely. If you just want to know if it is possible for homosexuals to overcome their particular urges, start here;

Ex-homosexual overcame, helping others

Not everyone has ears to hear. But, once the words are received, at least, they leave an imprint on the soul, so that one day, when things seem tough, you will remember you heard something about the questions you had, and will backtrack to the scriptures to find out what they said, to remind yourself of the truth. At that time, maybe there's still time to choose.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 04:19 PM
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originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: Reallyfolks

I really want to reply to this:



As far as it being a choice, people have taken sides and the debate will rage on. As far as why make a choice to expose yourself to risk? People do it all the time. Why be anti government in some places that can expose you to the same, why he a woman without a male escort in some countries and have Tue same risk plans so on? Choice or not (each person will have an opinion) but people make choices everyday all over the world exposing themselves to severe risks for doing so. That part is easily explainable


Duh.

Certain people are under threat in certain countries no matter what. What can they do? Those women you speak of are under threat anyway. If they want to take a stand it's their "choice". Same is true for slaves who were under constant threat everyday. Same with those people in Nazi Germany who wanted to help Jews. (Yes Godwin's law wins once again). They can hide who they are, what their intentions are, what they want to do, etc. but they will eventually be found out anyway.



I'm sure you had a point to make with this response. Fact, if being gay is a choice, making a choice to put yourself in harm's way is nothing new. People have been doing it since the beginning of time, not new, not some one off bold statement. If it is not a choice then the question of why someone would choose to be gay and put themselves in a bad situation is moot since its not a choice. Basically using that particular point is a no win situation, it's either no big deal or moot. All I'm saying, get a better point/question to backup the point of view you hold, directed at jay.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Just come out dude and be who God made you to be.
It isn't a sin to be who God intended you to be.
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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: TheLamb

John 15 18-21: If the world hates you, you know that it hated me before it hated you. If you were of this world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you... if they persecuted me they also persecuted you because they do not know Him that sent me.
Gays have been hated by the world for centuries, kicked out and persecuted. Jesus chooses us out of the world and the world hates us just as you do.


Nah. The world does not hate gays. Part of the world does. The other part loves them. If it were not so, there would be no law protecting gays and lesbians today. Gays and lesbians would not be able to marry. They get to marry, because lots of the world loves them. Homosexuals sin, but so do heterosexuals. All the sinners love each other. They may have different types of sin, but nobody is sinless. Just being hated and persecuted does not automatically make you Jesus' pick. You have to be hated and persecuted "for your righteousness", not "for your sins". You have to be Jailed like Kim Davis, for your right actions, and suffer mental torture, believing in your heart you're doing right by your faith, and have the state powers tell you that you're wrong and punish you for that belief. That's the persecution. It's a persecution for righteous actions. That's why Kim Davis gets an audience with the Pope. To tell her to "stay strong".

Don't confuse the fact, that Jesus hung out with the sinners, with the rewards for sin itself. Its the same reason that the Pope is trying to embrace gays and lesbians today. Those that sin the most are most in need of hearing the word. The pope wants all gays and lesbians to be in his church, to hear the message daily. But they are not saved, until they come and hear the word, and grasp what it says, and repent.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: AMPTAH

Just come out dude and be who God made you to be.
It isn't a sin to be who God intended you to be.


God did not make robots, nor automatons. He made men, who could think and choose. Then he gave them a guide book, to tell them how to determine right from wrong. If you have no choice, then you need no book. The BIG question then is, those that interpret your actions as wrong, using their book, and seek to punish you, are they also robots, with no choice, and have to take those actions too? If so, then we need no man made laws, let each do exactly according to his programming.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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Well Peter, you are an egg.

Pull your nose out of the dusty old book you are hiding behind and see the truth for yourself. A person does not get to choose if they are male or female - the vast overwhelming majority are born either or. A very few are born ambiguous though. So, God if you truly believe it is him that does these things does not even get that right 100% of the time.

Sexuality is the same as the above. It is not even a black and white case of straight and gay. Some people are bisexual and are attracted to both genders. They are not choosing to be straight or gay though, they will always find both genders attractive. However, just as with anyone in a committed relationship, if they settle down they remain faithful to their partner regardless of gender, because they love them for who they are.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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Bisexuals? Straight...cool , gay cool. I wish those darn bisexuals would get off the fence and choose a freaking side.

Come on we need a little levity on topics like this. Thank me when you're done laughing.
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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 05:35 PM
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So your source that gay conversion therapy works is from a religious site and one alleged example!? lol

Too funny.


Homosexuality is not considered a mental disorder, so the American Psychological Association (APA) does not recommend "curing" same-sex attraction in any case. Instead, societal ignorance, prejudice and pressure to conform to heterosexual desires are the real dangers to gay people's mental health, according to a 1997 statement on "conversion" or "reparative" therapy by the APA.

A 2009 APA task force found that conversion therapies, despite being touted by religious organizations, have little evidence to back them up. A review of studies from 1960 to 2007 found only 83 on the topic, the vast majority of which did not have the experimental muscle to show whether the therapies achieved their stated goals. (Many of the people studied in the early years were court-mandated to take the therapies, adding a coercive element to those outcomes.)

The best-quality studies were more recent and qualitative, the APA task force found, meaning they focused not on the statistical effectiveness of treatment, but of the subjective experience.

"These studies show that enduring change to an individual's sexual orientation is uncommon," the task force wrote in their 2009 report. The participants continued to report same-sex attractions after the conversion therapy, and were not significantly more attracted to the opposite gender.

These studies did find that conversion therapy could be harmful, however. Negative effects included "loss of sexual feeling, depression, suicidality and anxiety."
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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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Oh God, not the conversion therapy.

I seriously tried it - through the now mercifully defunct exodus ministries. You can't pray the gay away. All the testimony they used to provide even said as much.

They played a VERY dangerous game of associating gay sexuality as being temptation from the devil that had to be resisted at all costs. This resulted in a very high suicide rate among their victims um er I mean patients.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: markosity1973
A person does not get to choose if they are male or female .


Yes, I see the difficulty you're having with the idea of choice.

You believe in "one life" for the soul.

But, a lot of things in scripture make no sense if we only have "one life" to live.

For example, scriptures say Jesus will return, and save his flock. But, what if we die before Jesus comes back? What good is it for us to know he's coming, if it isn't going to be in our lifetime?

See?

We've been waiting 2000 years already. And still waiting.

So, the only way this makes any sense, is if "we live more than one lifetime".

In fact, we continue to return to this earthly world, to take up another body, in the flesh, until Jesus returns to save us from repeating this worldly drama.

Armed with that new bit of perspective, let's return to the smoker.

The smoker develops a "habit", and that governs his urges. Past actions, inculcate tendencies in the soul, and the soul is then driven to take up a body of flesh with those tendencies. So, being born with "underlying traits" is a function of past choices made in previous lives. It might look like a person has no choice. But, all it is, is tendencies built up from old habits. The trick is to recognize that different people out there, seem to have completely different issues. So, none of the issues, habits, tendencies, that seem to be part of our individual nature, is fixed, we can change them. We can choose. At the core, we are all the same. All the differences are things "added on" to the pure soul, that give "illusions" that we are all unique and different. We've just accumulated different tendencies, from practicing differing habits. But, none of our "habits" are "us". We identify with our habits, until we begin to see through the darkness,



But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. KNJ, 1 Corinthians 13:10

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away
childish things. KJV, 1 Corinthians 13:11

For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am
known. KJV, 1 Corinthians 13:12


So, you just need to change your perspective on life. We live many times. And are stuck here, in the world, until we begin to see that we are stuck here in the world, lusting after flesh.



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