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Most homosexuality is a choice

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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Annee

That is absolutely incorrect. We are animals, but to say our behaviors are not much removed from base instincts is a gross display of ignorance.



I don't agree with you.

Some animal groups have extremely complex societies, such as Timber Wolves and Elephants.

They have their own laws and hierarchy. They have strong family bonds, etc.

Humans have written language. They should learn from history. But, they don't.

DONE - - I should have checked the thread title instead of just responding to a post. This is way off topic.

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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:02 PM
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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:12 PM
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The premise of the OP's thread is that at some point we have all been attracted to both sexes and that we choose to be gay or straight.

I don't know about OP but I have always been attracted to women and never decided to be straight, I just was.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:13 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks


The debate will continue, you asked why some one would choose to put themselves in such danger. I offered an explanation that was simple along with examples of people doing that very thing. You believe it's a choice cool, you believe it's not...cool. as far as why make that choice despite the dangers I addressed it in a manner that is dead on . Weak, no. Dead on accurate....yes.


Using anti government people who risk their lives as an example, is a very bad one. People who are anti government want change. Mainly because they love their country, and want a change, so will risk their life in a hope they can be one of the people who will make a difference.

How the hell is that the same for gay people in a hostile gay country. What do they have to gain to suddenly waking up and deciding to be gay?

Really, just does not make any sense what so ever!



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: lucifershiningone
The premise of the OP's thread is that at some point we have all been attracted to both sexes and that we choose to be gay or straight.

I don't know about OP but I have always been attracted to women and never decided to be straight, I just was.


Op is going by their experience. You know what some people are like. They can't see past their own mind. So what they say goes for everyone



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:18 PM
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The OP's example seems a non sequitur.

Just because two women he knew intimately opted for heterosexuality after being identified as lesbians will not prove that homosexuality is a choice. Especially, the main issue in present-day religious and political discourse is male homosexuality. I have had a few friends and therapy clients who are male homosexuals, read a book on the subject by a gay man I've known for long, listened to several in-depth radio interviews with gay male people, and one thing is sure: most male homosexuals do NOT experience it as a choice. Neither do many lesbians, though boundaries seem to be a bit fuzzier with some women.
Many gays fight it for years, and some are capable of having hetero sex but have always preferred their own.

Whether scientifically homosexuality is an inherited thing, or some factor arises because of overpopulation (as in animal experiments), or if it is a pre-verbal therapy issue so far unsolved or untouched by Western science, we do not yet know. But one thing is sure that it is not a matter of conscious choice. I have yet to meet any gay males who became homosexual because they were somehow "brainwashed."

There are grey areas such as bisexuals and transgender people. Again, for some males, spending a long time in a closed environment with only males (old-style draft armies, prisons or priest seminars) brings out a "substitute" phenomenon: they will tell you that they are attracted to some "girlish" males temporarily, but if given free choice, they would immediately go for a good-looking woman instead. I understand that this phenomenon exists but I have not experienced physical attraction while I spent one year as a male draftee.

There is some truth in the POV the OP advances in so far as people could try to exert some conscious choice over sexuality in general, but then again, a lot of Tantra and monkish practices are about that. It's long subject, and if you are attracted only to your wife, you have chosen well and I wish you much luck in your marriage.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Reallyfolks


The debate will continue, you asked why some one would choose to put themselves in such danger. I offered an explanation that was simple along with examples of people doing that very thing. You believe it's a choice cool, you believe it's not...cool. as far as why make that choice despite the dangers I addressed it in a manner that is dead on . Weak, no. Dead on accurate....yes.


Using anti government people who risk their lives as an example, is a very bad one. People who are anti government want change. Mainly because they love their country, and want a change, so will risk their life in a hope they can be one of the people who will make a difference.

How the hell is that the same for gay people in a hostile gay country. What do they have to gain to suddenly waking up and deciding to be gay?

Really, just does not make any sense what so ever!



It's a great example. I gave you two examples of people who make choices that put themselves in very real and physical danger. Sorry if you don't like them. But the fact is you asked why someone would make that choice and I gave you examples of others who do it. Can't argue the point no matter how bad you want to. Want to argue if being gay is a choice have at it. But when you ask why people would choose to do something that can have severe reprocussions and I point out it's nothing new, your question is pretty much answered and done with.

Debate away but if you ask something and get a very reasonable answer, dismissing it doesn't make the point go away. It simply means maybe ask a different question or make a different point next time.

What the hell do anti government people or women going out without an escort have to gain by waking up one day in countries hostile to those actions by doing it? Again people make choices that can lead to physical harm all the time.


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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:34 PM
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a reply to: Annee

It is way off topic, but just because you can find other species that share some of our social attributes, in no way points to them being more advanced, and therefore us in a primitive state.

End of discussion, this is so incredibly ignorant I can't bare to look at it anymore.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks


It's a great example. I gave you two examples of people who make choices that put themselves in very real and physical danger. Sorry if you don't like them. But the fact is you asked why someone would make that choice and I gave you examples of others who do it. Can't argue the point no matter how bad you want to. Want to argue if being gay is a choice have at it. But when you ask why people would choose to do something that can have severe reprocussions and I point out it's nothing new, your question is pretty much answered and done with. 

Debate away but if you ask something and get a very reasonable answer, dismissing it doesn't make the point go away. It simply means maybe ask a different question or make a different point next time.


You see choices all the time why someone would put their lives in danger, but like the examples you gave, there is a reason. If someone is not attracted to the same sex? Why would they choose to put themselves and their families at risk. If they wanted to feel a sense of danger, them rob a bank, shop, or a person,.

Your logic does not make sense. Do you know many gay people yourself?

Your theory is so illogical, I have to ask. Do you have evidence to back that theory up. Have seen interviews that involve people, esp in these countries where its illegal, that they chose to be gay for the fun of it? If you do, then please share.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Humans also alter their environment by extracting minerals and refining them. Humans also make tools and use them. I don't see elephants or wolves doing that. I don't see those animals altering their environment to make it more habitable for themselves.

I'd say that qualifies as a being pretty darn intelligent and high up on the food chain. We can even leave the planet if we want, I don't think whales, dolphins, elephants or wolves can say the same. I think we're firmly cemented on top as the dominant species in terms of ability and intelligence.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:39 PM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Annee

It is way off topic, but just because you can find other species that share some of our social attributes, in no way points to them being more advanced, and therefore us in a primitive state.

End of discussion, this is so incredibly ignorant I can't bare to look at it anymore.


Other animals are not like us. Yes, that we can agree on. But we end up being dumber because we just don't learn, when we have the knowledge and intelligence to learn from our mistakes. We just do the same thing over and over again.

So who's more dumb?



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Annee

Humans also alter their environment by extracting minerals and refining them. Humans also make tools and use them. I don't see elephants or wolves doing that. I don't see those animals altering their environment to make it more habitable for themselves.

I'd say that qualifies as a being pretty darn intelligent and high up on the food chain. We can even leave the planet if we want, I don't think whales, dolphins, elephants or wolves can say the same. I think we're firmly cemented on top as the dominant species in terms of ability and intelligence.


Completely missing the point



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Reallyfolks


It's a great example. I gave you two examples of people who make choices that put themselves in very real and physical danger. Sorry if you don't like them. But the fact is you asked why someone would make that choice and I gave you examples of others who do it. Can't argue the point no matter how bad you want to. Want to argue if being gay is a choice have at it. But when you ask why people would choose to do something that can have severe reprocussions and I point out it's nothing new, your question is pretty much answered and done with. 

Debate away but if you ask something and get a very reasonable answer, dismissing it doesn't make the point go away. It simply means maybe ask a different question or make a different point next time.


You see choices all the time why someone would put their lives in danger, but like the examples you gave, there is a reason. If someone is not attracted to the same sex? Why would they choose to put themselves and their families at risk. If they wanted to feel a sense of danger, them rob a bank, shop, or a person,.

Your logic does not make sense. Do you know many gay people yourself?

Your theory is so illogical, I have to ask. Do you have evidence to back that theory up. Have seen interviews that involve people, esp in these countries where its illegal, that they chose to be gay for the fun of it? If you do, then please share.


That's because you are attempting to debate me on if being gay is a choice. When I simply pointed out that people make choices frequently that put themselves in harm's way.

You are debating the issue of the op I am pointing out the fallacy in the question/point you tried to use to backup your view. Feel free to think being gay is a choice or not. I would simply get a better talking point



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Reallyfolks


It's a great example. I gave you two examples of people who make choices that put themselves in very real and physical danger. Sorry if you don't like them. But the fact is you asked why someone would make that choice and I gave you examples of others who do it. Can't argue the point no matter how bad you want to. Want to argue if being gay is a choice have at it. But when you ask why people would choose to do something that can have severe reprocussions and I point out it's nothing new, your question is pretty much answered and done with. 

Debate away but if you ask something and get a very reasonable answer, dismissing it doesn't make the point go away. It simply means maybe ask a different question or make a different point next time.


You see choices all the time why someone would put their lives in danger, but like the examples you gave, there is a reason. If someone is not attracted to the same sex? Why would they choose to put themselves and their families at risk. If they wanted to feel a sense of danger, them rob a bank, shop, or a person,.

Your logic does not make sense. Do you know many gay people yourself?

Your theory is so illogical, I have to ask. Do you have evidence to back that theory up. Have seen interviews that involve people, esp in these countries where its illegal, that they chose to be gay for the fun of it? If you do, then please share.


That's because you are attempting to debate me on if being gay is a choice. When I simply pointed out that people make choices frequently that put themselves in harm's way.

You are debating the issue of the op I am pointing out the fallacy in the question/point you tried to use to backup your view. Feel free to think being gay is a choice or not. I would simply get a better talking point


Yes, and I have answered you why . And this is now going nowhere. As to what you think. What do you think about being gay being a choice?



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:54 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Reallyfolks


It's a great example. I gave you two examples of people who make choices that put themselves in very real and physical danger. Sorry if you don't like them. But the fact is you asked why someone would make that choice and I gave you examples of others who do it. Can't argue the point no matter how bad you want to. Want to argue if being gay is a choice have at it. But when you ask why people would choose to do something that can have severe reprocussions and I point out it's nothing new, your question is pretty much answered and done with. 

Debate away but if you ask something and get a very reasonable answer, dismissing it doesn't make the point go away. It simply means maybe ask a different question or make a different point next time.


You see choices all the time why someone would put their lives in danger, but like the examples you gave, there is a reason. If someone is not attracted to the same sex? Why would they choose to put themselves and their families at risk. If they wanted to feel a sense of danger, them rob a bank, shop, or a person,.

Your logic does not make sense. Do you know many gay people yourself?

Your theory is so illogical, I have to ask. Do you have evidence to back that theory up. Have seen interviews that involve people, esp in these countries where its illegal, that they chose to be gay for the fun of it? If you do, then please share.


That's because you are attempting to debate me on if being gay is a choice. When I simply pointed out that people make choices frequently that put themselves in harm's way.

You are debating the issue of the op I am pointing out the fallacy in the question/point you tried to use to backup your view. Feel free to think being gay is a choice or not. I would simply get a better talking point


Yes, and I have answered you why . And this is now going nowhere. As to what you think. What do you think about being gay being a choice?


I don't.

But people do make choices all the time putting themselves in harm's way. If it's a choice that's nothing new. If not it's a moot point anyway.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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You didn't chose any of your likes or wants, you didn't chose anything in your life they chose you. Your free will is an illusion, you don't decide anything
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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: Skyfloating

You are wrong and you have not talked to enough gay people. More than likely they refuse to trust you because your mind is made up.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom

I'd say that qualifies as a being pretty darn intelligent and high up on the food chain. We can even leave the planet if we want, I don't think whales, dolphins, elephants or wolves can say the same. I think we're firmly cemented on top as the dominant species in terms of ability and intelligence.


Never said we weren't.

Said: I don't think we are as evolved as some think we are.

I think we have a long way to go.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

Almost every choice you make is unconsciously done. Look at the links I've posted.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

We don't learn? That's a ridiculous statement. I already showed you were far into the wrong. Your reasoning is so easy to see through. It hurts to even look. 500 years? You have to be kidding me. Which species is learning at a faster rate?

This isn't logical, it's emotive and ignorant.
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