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Most homosexuality is a choice

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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:02 AM
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originally posted by: TheBandit795
a reply to: Jay-morris

Because it's an unconscious choice.

psycnet.apa.org...


What was noted by E. J. Langer (1978) remains true today: that much of contemporary psychological research is based on the assumption that people are consciously and systematically processing incoming information in order to construe and interpret their world and to plan and engage in courses of action. As did Langer, the authors question this assumption. First, they review evidence that the ability to exercise such conscious, intentional control is actually quite limited, so that most of moment-to-moment psychological life must occur through nonconscious means if it is to occur at all. The authors then describe the different possible mechanisms that produce automatic, environmental control over these various phenomena and review evidence establishing both the existence of these mechanisms as well as their consequences for judgments, emotions, and behavior. Three major forms of automatic self-regulation are identified: an automatic effect of perception on action, automatic goal pursuit, and a continual automatic evaluation of one's experience. From the accumulating evidence, the authors conclude that these various nonconscious mental systems perform the lion's share of the self-regulatory burden, beneficently keeping the individual grounded in his or her current environment. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)






ERM OK? So now it's anunconscious choice lol

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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Jay-morris

Such a high standard. Which race is not primitive on the planet then?

mind = blown


None. Anything else you would like to add?



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

Just that this obviously shows your statement isn't logical.

Thanks.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Jay-morris

Just that this obviously shows your statement isn't logical.

Thanks.


Ok, please explain, or is that all you have to say, or not say, in this case.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

It's apparent. You're speaking of your belief in an ideal. Something which does not reflect reality.

Realistically, the word primitive only has meaning in relation to that which is not (primitive). If it only exists in your mind without example in the real world, it's just not logical.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Jay-morris

It's apparent. You're speaking of your belief in an ideal. Something which does not reflect reality.

Realistically, the word primitive only has meaning in relation to that which is not (primitive). If it only exists in your mind without example in the real world, it's just not logical.



Well, lol, that was an interesting read. So, let me get this straight. To say that we are primitive, but not giving an example, then its illogical? Is that what you are saying?



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

I'm saying that your ideal of not being primitive has no example or evidence of existing, so no not the same thing.

Something can exist without giving example.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Jay-morris

I'm saying that your ideal of not being primitive has no example or evidence of existing, so no not the same thing.

Something can exist without giving example.


Ok, in my opinion, we are still a very primitive race. The reason why I say that is because even though we have advanced in technology, our mind set is still the same overall. We still actively engage in tribal warfare, we are still believing in fairytale, that still take thousands of lives each year .

We still are ruled by ignorance and arragonce, hence the reason why countries are always trying to be the first to do this or that.

Many many more examples out there. Might be illogical to you, but not to me.

Just like this thread, there has been a few on ATS that say the same thing. Mist of the time the op will vanish after a while because they achieved what they wanted to do. And that's cause a stir.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: Skyfloating

So you choose to be straight then?.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:35 AM
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originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: Skyfloating

So you choose to be straight then?.
by his logic, we chose what sex we are attracted too, which really means we chose who we love.

Does that mean I chose to love my mum and dad, sisters, brother, and my daughter?

It's so crazy!



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: Jay-morris

Hey that's fair enough, I just don't think the world primitive is appropriate. Essentially what you're saying is many are still ruled by instincts which you don't value. The thing is our species is the only to ponder such things, or have the ability to greatly override our instincts by intellect.

When you realize just how far advanced from the rest of life we are, it seems to make very little sense to consider us primitive as a "race" in comparison to any other.
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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Jay-morris

I'm saying that your ideal of not being primitive has no example or evidence of existing, so no not the same thing.

Something can exist without giving example.


Ok, in my opinion, we are still a very primitive race.


I completely agree with you.

Its actually kinda scary that some think we are so advanced.

Our behaviors prove otherwise.


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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:41 AM
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a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

Sorry we don't like other people telling us what we should or shouldn't do, or be, or how to act, or be in public.. sorry we speak up for ourselves now and not get pushed around, sorry other people are waking up and realizing that people are being oppressed... sorry, not sorry



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:43 AM
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a reply to: Annee

Then I will pose the same question to you.

In comparison to which "race" would we be considered primitive?



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Jay-morris

Hey that's fair enough, I just don't think the world primitive is appropriate. Essentially what you're saying is many are still ruled by instincts which you don't value. The thing is our species is the only to ponder such things, or have the ability to greatly override our instincts by intellect.

When you realize just how far advanced from the rest of life we are, it seems to make very little sense to consider us primitive as a "race" in comparison to any other.


Don't agree. We have not really moved on , apart from technology. We still have wars, we still have religon, and alot of people dying because of religon. We still have these leaders and governments with the mentally "we are better than you" We still have alot of hate .

And the worrying this for me is, primitive way of thinking and advanced technology including military technology) is a very worrying mix indeed.

So yes, this thread is just another example of how primitive we are.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Annee

Then I will pose the same question to you.

In comparison to which "race" would we be considered primitive?


I don't understand that question.

However, humans are animals.

Our behaviors are not evolved much beyond primitive instinct.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Annee

Then I will pose the same question to you.

In comparison to which "race" would we be considered primitive?


You don't need another race to come to the conclusion that we are primitive. There are plenty of examples , and I have mentioned a few, to why we are primitive. If our overall mindset has not really moved on to what we were like, say 500 years ago, then we are still primitive, because we are still pretty much doing the same thing today. Only difference is our technology is more advanced.



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: Annee

That is absolutely incorrect. We are animals, but to say our behaviors are not much removed from base instincts is a gross display of ignorance.

For the record, primitive has a meaning and it is not applicable in the least as is being used by other members in this thread.




prim·i·tive
ˈprimədiv/
adjective
1.
relating to, denoting, or preserving the character of an early stage in the evolutionary or historical development of something.
"primitive mammals"
synonyms: ancient, earliest, first, prehistoric, antediluvian, primordial, primeval, primal
"primitive times"
2.
not developed or derived from anything else.
"the primitive material of the universe"
noun
1.
a person belonging to a preliterate, nonindustrial society or culture.
2.
a pre-Renaissance painter.


What is shown is bleeding heart reactions based on beliefs, ideals, and a lack of knowledge.

There's no argument or debate here, there's simply ignorance.
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posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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putting some point's out there...

I would concider it both..

Some have the Choice some dont have the Choice

( a few Links )


How Men's Brains Are Wired Differently Than Women's
by Tanya Lewis, Staff Writer | December 02, 2013 03:00pm ET

www.livescience.com...


Is your brain male or female?
By Dr Michael Mosley BBC

29 September 2014

www.bbc.com...

Transsexual differences caught on brain scan
www.newscientist.com...

Study Says Brains of Gay Men and Women Are Similar
Brain scans provide evidence that sexual orientation is biological
By Nikhil Swaminathan | June 16, 2008
www.scientificamerican.com...

Gay Men, Straight Women Have Similar Brains
news.nationalgeographic.com...


The one's that have the choice , is more likly from the upbringing ,
or lifestyle ? I am Assuming ...



posted on Sep, 25 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Reallyfolks


As far as it being a choice, people have taken sides and the debate will rage on. As far as why make a choice to expose yourself to risk? People do it all the time. Why be anti government in some places that can expose you to the same, why he a woman without a male escort in some countries and have Tue same risk plans so on? Choice or not (each person will have an opinion) but people make choices everyday all over the world exposing themselves to severe risks for doing so. That part is easily explainable


Wow, this is a very weak argument. Choosing to be gay, just does not make sense, especially in countries that put themselves at risk, and their families.

I am straight, and never been attracted to the same sex, I am attracted to females, simple as that. It is not a choice. I don't choose to be attracted to females.

Example. My brother when he came out lost his friends. Had to move out of his town and start again. Was diagnosed with depression because of the change he had to make to stop living a lie.

You think he chose to go down that road so he could almost lose everything?

And its the same for gay people in these countries where its illegal and death can be the punishment.

It's just so sad that people kind of dismiss this and still shout choice


Then again, we are still a primitive race. And threads like this proves that


The debate will continue, you asked why some one would choose to put themselves in such danger. I offered an explanation that was simple along with examples of people doing that very thing. You believe it's a choice cool, you believe it's not...cool. as far as why make that choice despite the dangers I addressed it in a manner that is dead on . Weak, no. Dead on accurate....yes.
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