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A lot of people go through hell and hardships in life. Being gay or anything for that matter has nothing to do with it, unless you are born with the means to skate through life. Welcome to reality
originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Reallyfolks
A lot of people go through hell and hardships in life. Being gay or anything for that matter has nothing to do with it, unless you are born with the means to skate through life. Welcome to reality
Think you completely missed my point. If being gay is a choice, then why decide to be gay in countries were you came be imprisoned, beaten, killed etc?
The op, does not seem to understand this. And its frustrating, it really is because I have seen many people go through hell because they are gay. Families disowning them, depression.
This is not a choice. But people like to be different. I remember debating someone who believed tinnitus was not real. Some people just try to be different
What was noted by E. J. Langer (1978) remains true today: that much of contemporary psychological research is based on the assumption that people are consciously and systematically processing incoming information in order to construe and interpret their world and to plan and engage in courses of action. As did Langer, the authors question this assumption. First, they review evidence that the ability to exercise such conscious, intentional control is actually quite limited, so that most of moment-to-moment psychological life must occur through nonconscious means if it is to occur at all. The authors then describe the different possible mechanisms that produce automatic, environmental control over these various phenomena and review evidence establishing both the existence of these mechanisms as well as their consequences for judgments, emotions, and behavior. Three major forms of automatic self-regulation are identified: an automatic effect of perception on action, automatic goal pursuit, and a continual automatic evaluation of one's experience. From the accumulating evidence, the authors conclude that these various nonconscious mental systems perform the lion's share of the self-regulatory burden, beneficently keeping the individual grounded in his or her current environment. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)
Your example is of "lust" not sexuailty.
I believe that most homosexuality is a choice and most were not "born that way". I say this based neither on science nor religion but on personal experience.
The myth of our times is that homosexuality is not a choice and I`d much prefer that this dogma be examined in more detail and that it be acknowledged that much or at least some of it actually is a choice as well as a consequence of childhood experiences.
originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
But still he must make the choice not to pursue his "lust", over his very strong instinct for lust, still a choice must be made. And it is a moral one.
originally posted by: Skyfloating
originally posted by: pilgrimOmega
Why is this thread even being allowed for the millionth time.
Most threads of this nature discuss whether homosexuality is good or not. But, contrary to what many repliers think, this thread has nothing to do with that. It's about how much of homosexuality is a choice or conditioned and how much is from birth.
originally posted by: pilgrimOmega
originally posted by: Skyfloating
originally posted by: pilgrimOmega
Why is this thread even being allowed for the millionth time.
Most threads of this nature discuss whether homosexuality is good or not. But, contrary to what many repliers think, this thread has nothing to do with that. It's about how much of homosexuality is a choice or conditioned and how much is from birth.
Oh, is that what this thread is about? I just thought it was another thinly disguised attempt to justify one's personal prejudices through their perception of society.
originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
What about the twin studies? How can only 14% of identical twins be both gay when there's already one, or 11% for lesbians if it's 90% genetic?
I don't think those numbers add up. I'm with tenth, 50/50 sounds more reasonable.
originally posted by: new_here
originally posted by: pilgrimOmega
originally posted by: Skyfloating
originally posted by: pilgrimOmega
Why is this thread even being allowed for the millionth time.
Most threads of this nature discuss whether homosexuality is good or not. But, contrary to what many repliers think, this thread has nothing to do with that. It's about how much of homosexuality is a choice or conditioned and how much is from birth.
Oh, is that what this thread is about? I just thought it was another thinly disguised attempt to justify one's personal prejudices through their perception of society.
Or, it could be exactly as stated, and you could be paranoid.
As far as it being a choice, people have taken sides and the debate will rage on. As far as why make a choice to expose yourself to risk? People do it all the time. Why be anti government in some places that can expose you to the same, why he a woman without a male escort in some countries and have Tue same risk plans so on? Choice or not (each person will have an opinion) but people make choices everyday all over the world exposing themselves to severe risks for doing so. That part is easily explainable