Most homosexuality is a choice

a reply to: Reallyfolks

A lot of people go through hell and hardships in life. Being gay or anything for that matter has nothing to do with it, unless you are born with the means to skate through life. Welcome to reality

Think you completely missed my point. If being gay is a choice, then why decide to be gay in countries were you came be imprisoned, beaten, killed etc?

The op, does not seem to understand this. And its frustrating, it really is because I have seen many people go through hell because they are gay. Families disowning them, depression.

This is not a choice. But people like to be different. I remember debating someone who believed tinnitus was not real. Some people just try to be different

I believe it's entirely a choice to be gay. You're a blank slate when you're born. Whatever happens after that is your choice.

originally posted by: BMTH99
I believe it's entirely a choice to be gay. You're a blank slate when you're born. Whatever happens after that is your choice.

Wow, just wow!

I'll just leave this here..




And my thread here.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

95% of all choices are made by the subconscious mind, which can be reprogrammed. IMO this includes sexual preference.

originally posted by: Jay-morris
a reply to: Reallyfolks

A lot of people go through hell and hardships in life. Being gay or anything for that matter has nothing to do with it, unless you are born with the means to skate through life. Welcome to reality

Think you completely missed my point. If being gay is a choice, then why decide to be gay in countries were you came be imprisoned, beaten, killed etc?

The op, does not seem to understand this. And its frustrating, it really is because I have seen many people go through hell because they are gay. Families disowning them, depression.

This is not a choice. But people like to be different. I remember debating someone who believed tinnitus was not real. Some people just try to be different

As far as it being a choice, people have taken sides and the debate will rage on. As far as why make a choice to expose yourself to risk? People do it all the time. Why be anti government in some places that can expose you to the same, why he a woman without a male escort in some countries and have Tue same risk plans so on? Choice or not (each person will have an opinion) but people make choices everyday all over the world exposing themselves to severe risks for doing so. That part is easily explainable

a reply to: Jay-morris

Because it's an unconscious choice.

psycnet.apa.org...

What was noted by E. J. Langer (1978) remains true today: that much of contemporary psychological research is based on the assumption that people are consciously and systematically processing incoming information in order to construe and interpret their world and to plan and engage in courses of action. As did Langer, the authors question this assumption. First, they review evidence that the ability to exercise such conscious, intentional control is actually quite limited, so that most of moment-to-moment psychological life must occur through nonconscious means if it is to occur at all. The authors then describe the different possible mechanisms that produce automatic, environmental control over these various phenomena and review evidence establishing both the existence of these mechanisms as well as their consequences for judgments, emotions, and behavior. Three major forms of automatic self-regulation are identified: an automatic effect of perception on action, automatic goal pursuit, and a continual automatic evaluation of one's experience. From the accumulating evidence, the authors conclude that these various nonconscious mental systems perform the lion's share of the self-regulatory burden, beneficently keeping the individual grounded in his or her current environment. (PsycINFO Database Record (c) 2012 APA, all rights reserved)

So basically let's take men for example. All men are attracted to men and women but choose only to sleep with woman(in most cases).

Is that what the op is saying? He is attracted to men but is just not choosing to sleep with them?

a reply to: flammadraco

Your example is of "lust" not sexuailty.

But still he must make the choice not to pursue his "lust", over his very strong instinct for lust, still a choice must be made. And it is a moral one.

a reply to: Skyfloating

I believe that most homosexuality is a choice and most were not "born that way". I say this based neither on science nor religion but on personal experience.

Yet..

The myth of our times is that homosexuality is not a choice and I`d much prefer that this dogma be examined in more detail and that it be acknowledged that much or at least some of it actually is a choice as well as a consequence of childhood experiences.

Well you can't really make a declarative statement based on nothing but a personal anecdote and then just use it to prove your point.

Now mind you, personally I believe it's 50/50. Both environmental factors and biological markers. Some scientists agree, others do not. I think sexuality is fluid. Much like a bell curve I think people could fall into any section of the spectrum based on the two things I mentioned above.

There's always more than just a black and white scenario for any issue, but especially this one.

I don't think you can compare gender based issues with sexual identity issues though, they are two very different things.

~Tenth

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
But still he must make the choice not to pursue his "lust", over his very strong instinct for lust, still a choice must be made. And it is a moral one.

Well, ANYONE makes a choice when they CHOOSE to have sex with someone... That is not the choice the OP is talking about. He's saying that gay people (but apparently not straight people) choose to be ATTRACTED to one gender or another. He's apparently claiming that when a 10-year old girl gets her very first "crush" on her mom's female friend, she's CHOOSING to be gay.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I agree completely. Although, from my personal experience I don't think it's 50/50, more like 90/10. (that's 90% biological and 10% environmental.) I can see a straight woman getting totally disgusted with (or damaged by) men and turning to a woman for safety and comfort. But then again, maybe she's just far enough along on the scale to be bisexual. I think it's less likely that a straight man would turn to another man, but probably a more-than-zero chance, depending on how he was raised, the circumstances of his youth and other environmental factors.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

What about the twin studies? How can only 14% of identical twins be both gay when there's already one, or 11% for lesbians if it's 90% genetic?

I don't think those numbers add up. I'm with tenth, 50/50 sounds more reasonable.

originally posted by: Skyfloating

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

Why is this thread even being allowed for the millionth time.

Most threads of this nature discuss whether homosexuality is good or not. But, contrary to what many repliers think, this thread has nothing to do with that. It's about how much of homosexuality is a choice or conditioned and how much is from birth.

Oh, is that what this thread is about? I just thought it was another thinly disguised attempt to justify one's personal prejudices through their perception of society.

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Skyfloating

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

Why is this thread even being allowed for the millionth time.

Most threads of this nature discuss whether homosexuality is good or not. But, contrary to what many repliers think, this thread has nothing to do with that. It's about how much of homosexuality is a choice or conditioned and how much is from birth.

Oh, is that what this thread is about? I just thought it was another thinly disguised attempt to justify one's personal prejudices through their perception of society.

Or, it could be exactly as stated, and you could be paranoid.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

What about the twin studies? How can only 14% of identical twins be both gay when there's already one, or 11% for lesbians if it's 90% genetic?

I'm not a scientist, but twins aren't clones. They are nearly identical, but they can have different biological traits (something about phenotypes). The 90/10 is just my opinion from what I've experienced, as I said. And I think there's a difference between genetics and biology.

I don't think those numbers add up. I'm with tenth, 50/50 sounds more reasonable.

OK.

originally posted by: new_here

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

originally posted by: Skyfloating

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

Why is this thread even being allowed for the millionth time.

Most threads of this nature discuss whether homosexuality is good or not. But, contrary to what many repliers think, this thread has nothing to do with that. It's about how much of homosexuality is a choice or conditioned and how much is from birth.

Oh, is that what this thread is about? I just thought it was another thinly disguised attempt to justify one's personal prejudices through their perception of society.

Or, it could be exactly as stated, and you could be paranoid.

Paranoid? I'm not the one sitting around worried about how and why gay people choose or are instinctually driven to have same sex relations. Because I don't care. It doesn't affect me.

The paranoid people are the ones who think it does.

When we start to talk about 'mindsets', saying, as the OP stated, that homosexuality is a choice, then that opens up another argument which is related.

That argument is psychopathy and whether a psychopath chose to become a predator without empathy or was born that way.

a reply to: masqua

I think there's two groups who share many of the same characteristics, namely sociopaths and then the primary psychopaths.

Sociopaths are said to be less genetic, more environment created.

Primary psychopaths show the callous behavior from onset, don't improve with therapy, and seem hardwired for the behavior from birth.


I would tend to think that sexual orientation would have something similar. It would seem very few have strong preference from birth, and keep this same strong preference through the stages of development. I think many are not sure until puberty, or rather don't seem to have strong preference outside what the culture dictates. After puberty sets in it seems most become solidified in their preference, though adaptations can still be had (perhaps mostly circumstantial).

a reply to: Reallyfolks

As far as it being a choice, people have taken sides and the debate will rage on. As far as why make a choice to expose yourself to risk? People do it all the time. Why be anti government in some places that can expose you to the same, why he a woman without a male escort in some countries and have Tue same risk plans so on? Choice or not (each person will have an opinion) but people make choices everyday all over the world exposing themselves to severe risks for doing so. That part is easily explainable

Wow, this is a very weak argument. Choosing to be gay, just does not make sense, especially in countries that put themselves at risk, and their families.

I am straight, and never been attracted to the same sex, I am attracted to females, simple as that. It is not a choice. I don't choose to be attracted to females.

Example. My brother when he came out lost his friends. Had to move out of his town and start again. Was diagnosed with depression because of the change he had to make to stop living a lie.

You think he chose to go down that road so he could almost lose everything?

And its the same for gay people in these countries where its illegal and death can be the punishment.

It's just so sad that people kind of dismiss this and still shout choice

Then again, we are still a primitive race. And threads like this proves that

a reply to: Jay-morris

Such a high standard. Which race is not primitive on the planet then?

mind = blown