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U.S. trained rebels in Syria hand over weapons to al Qaeda affiliate

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posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 01:54 AM
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You have got to be kidding me... well, I am not that surprised since our "allies" always seem to be our enemies, criminals, rapist, pedophiles, or have no will to fight.

www.washingtontimes.com...



U.S.-trained rebels in Syria have reportedly handed over their weapons to al Qaeda affiliates in Syria immediately after re-entering the country.

Fighters with the controversial Division 30, the first group of U.S.-backed moderate rebels tasked with combating Islamic State militants on the ground, allegedly surrendered to the al Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, sources claimed Monday night.

In a statement on Twitter, a man calling himself Abu Fahd al-Tunisi, a member of the al Qaeda-linked group, said “A strong slap for America… the new group from Division 30 that entered yesterday hands over all of its weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra after being granted safe passage,” the Telegraph reported.

“They handed over a very large amount of ammunition and medium weaponry and a number of pickups,” he added.

Another member of Jabhat al-Nusra, Abu Khattab al-Maqdisi, tweeted Division 30’s commander, Anas Ibrahim Obaid, told the terrorist group’s leaders he had tricked the coalition to get the weapons.

“He promised to issue a statement… repudiating Division 30, the coalition, and those who trained him,” he tweeted, according to the Telegraph. “And he also gave a large amount of weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra.”

The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights reported that 75 Division 30 fighters had crossed into Syria from Turkey the day before the Tweets with “12 four-wheel vehicles equipped with machine guns and ammunition.”

U.S. Central Command confirmed about 70 graduates of the Syria “train and equip” program had re-entered Syria and were operating as New Syrian Forces alongside Syrian Kurds, Sunni Arab and other forces combating Islamic State militants, the Telegraph reported.

If the reports are true, this will be the second disaster at the hands of Jahbat al-Nusra to befall the much-criticized $500 million training program.


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posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 02:00 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

What was Trump called the current government - yes - INCOMPETENT.



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 02:06 AM
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originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: infolurker

What was Trump called the current government - yes - INCOMPETENT.



Full of FAIL!

First the Iraq army surrenders to ISIL, Afgans we install into power are blatant rapist / pedos, and every group we train turns on us or surrenders immediately.



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 02:50 AM
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Woo-hoo great plan USA! (Not)

Putin is the man of the moment. Who knows what his end game is, but at lest we know who he is fighting with and for (Assad and his loyalists) something we cannot say about this brain child i
of an idea of giving terrorist groups guns in the hopes they will point them at the right enemy.
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posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 02:54 AM
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The US should not be there, should not be talking, training, funding, any group. Let them fall on their own swords. Bring 'em Home Bernie.



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 04:23 AM
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originally posted by: deckdel
a reply to: infolurker

What was Trump called the current government - yes - INCOMPETENT.



Really?

When something happens "once" or "twice", then yes ... you can call it incompetence or bad luck. But when it happens repeatedly, like it has these past decades. Then the "incompetence" must befall YOU, for not identifying that this is actually what was planned from the beginning.

Has it ever occurred to you, that the US and Britain have actually been supporting the muslim world? Whose is their best ally in the middle-east? Saudi Arabia, and now IRAN. Both of these nations, are ISLAM EXTREMISTS.

And whose the president of the United States? Someone from the "black brotherhood" ... didn't they call themselves Muslims? Didn't Muhammed Ally or Casius Clay, rename himself Muhammed, because the "black brotherhood" said that Islam was the "true religion" of the "people originating from Africa".

I'm just pointing out the obvious ... sure sounds to me, that if the general public of the US don't get it ... they're generally blonde and stupid.



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 04:27 AM
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How is this a mistake? How did the Free Syrian Army get all thier weapons? Then they change thier name to ISIL and wala we have a new terror group? No its the same dudes rinse and repeat, same dudes again.

Question is does anyone actually believe that we armed the enemy by mistake?

Does anyone actually believe they are the enemy to anyone other than the Assad regime?

Who are they selling thier stolen oil to?

How deep does the corruption go?



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 05:29 AM
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everyone saw this coming, except the US government..........



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 05:40 AM
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a reply to: infolurker

Western trained rebels have a habit of "coincidentally" joining up with extremist groups once they finish their training. Our military & civilian leaders need to drop the charade & tell the truth. Simply put, they view Assad and an independent Kurdistan as bigger threats than the extremist groups.

Some of the very same extremists NATO supported in Libya went into Mali, were labeled terrorists, and were bombed. Same weapons, same tactics, same atrocities, different lines on a map. That's because they were useful to the West in Libya but they weren't given permission to fight in Mali. Plus, Qatar was one of the major initial financiers of ISIS and Israel was caught treating wounded al Qaeda fighters from Syria.

This has nothing to do with incompetence or errors in vetting. They know full well what's going on.



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 06:23 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

Yes. I agree that our governmernts know full and well what is going on and that they want those weapons in isis hands. It is painfully obvious that we are playing this strategy of creating and arming the "rebels" and isis to fight for our proxy wars so we can claim that our hands are clean. War by deception. History will not look kindly on these events. And it is all for resources. Oil and whatever else. There have been too many "mistakes" for this to be unintentional. Americans are losing all trust for authority figures, as they are proving to be the worst kind of criminals.



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 06:37 AM
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They did the job they were trained to do no doubt. The military doesn't spend that much money to train anyone and the money was likely spent on the equipment that was handed over which I image was more significant then reported.



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 07:13 AM
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I remember there was some similar ISIL getting some weapons or supplies in 2014 or so I wonder if anyone has been keeping tabs on how much aid from the USA has ended in terrorist possession till now?

My tax dollars at work, we couldnt help the homeless and less fortunate folks but we had to spend millions if not billions on arming various terrorist groups like the FSA which defect to ISIL by the thousands on a daily basis?

Does the US government even consider FSA a terrorist organization? The same Free Syrian Army that did the chemical weapon attacks back in 2014 and blamed it on Assad?



What am I missing here? Anyone have some order to bring to this chaos of information anyone at all?
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posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: enlightenedservant

Yes. I agree that our governmernts know full and well what is going on and that they want those weapons in isis hands. It is painfully obvious that we are playing this strategy of creating and arming the "rebels" and isis to fight for our proxy wars so we can claim that our hands are clean. War by deception. History will not look kindly on these events. And it is all for resources. Oil and whatever else. There have been too many "mistakes" for this to be unintentional. Americans are losing all trust for authority figures, as they are proving to be the worst kind of criminals.


You said that perfectly.

I know they like to dumb everything down for the public but it's getting ridiculous. It's like we can't even have an honest public discussion about the issues anymore because everything's classified or "too important to tell the public". I think the phrase here is "a matter of national security", which is vague enough to cover virtually anything.

I think it makes me so angry because they're demonizing an entire religion in the process.



posted on Sep, 23 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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I regarded the Daesh fiasco as a monumental fiasco of foreign policy, not a pre-planned intelligence operation. But I may be naive. I read a few articles by Italian journalist and terrorism expert Loretta Napoleoni about the creation of the Daesh (ISIL) Napoleoni page, also recommended by establishment critic and ME expert Chris Hedges. From a Western POV, the largest so far of these fiascos sounds closer to the story of the Afghani mujaheddin than pre-planned intel operations designed to change regimes or create terror groups.

According to Napoleoni, the West seems to miss a crucial part of the narrative. The Islamists build their attraction upon two key factors: they are revolutionary (in the sense that they completely reject the basic inequality of the present Western world order), plus they are designed to elicit a nationalistic response in their own Arab etc. worlds: no one wants foreign armies to solve their problems. Daesh is a further step than the other groups the West started to arm but lost control of, because they are nation-building. By being revolutionary, I don't mean they are any bit more acceptable to a liberal or a left thinker in the West, but since the Islam they espouse promises basic things to all believers, they certainly build upon a sentiment or redistribution.

What she does not say (though I haven't read her book yet) is that the historical parallel that comes to mind is the NSDAP, officially called National Socialism. Back in those times there were various Fascist and Nazi organizations all across Europe. Equal rights - but only to homegrown people who swore to their particular brand of folk Islam?

It remains to be seen if these guys are absorbed by Daesh or continue on their own.



posted on Sep, 24 2015 @ 07:24 AM
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Why cant we see news about this on CNN or the BBC? Why do I have to get news from Press TV?


Report: US-trained militants, commander defect to al-Qaeda in Syria



posted on Sep, 24 2015 @ 07:36 AM
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a reply to: infolurker


U.S.-trained rebels in Syria have reportedly handed over their weapons to al Qaeda affiliates in Syria immediately after re-entering the country.

Fighters with the controversial Division 30, the first group of U.S.-backed moderate rebels tasked with combating Islamic State militants on the ground, allegedly surrendered to the al Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, [Un-named--DJW001]sources claimed Monday night.

In a statement on Twitter, a man calling himself Abu Fahd al-Tunisi, a member of the al Qaeda-linked group, said “A strong slap for America… the new group from Division 30 that entered yesterday hands over all of its weapons to Jabhat al-Nusra after being granted safe passage,” the Telegraph reported.

[Blah blah blah blah blah....]

If the reports are true, this will be the second disaster at the hands of Jahbat al-Nusra to befall the much-criticized $500 million training program.


Anyone notice anything about this article?



posted on Sep, 24 2015 @ 07:41 AM
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Why cant we see news about this on CNN or the BBC? Why do I have to get news from Press TV?


Because PressTV does not feel constrained by facts. Even the Washington Times larded their plagiarization of the Telegraph article with conditionals and subjunctives.



posted on Sep, 24 2015 @ 07:43 AM
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What do you People think would happen?

The US Train a Group of rebels and than the rebels are sendt out to join a active Group of rebels. Dont anybody see the problem With that?



posted on Sep, 24 2015 @ 07:45 AM
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originally posted by: spy66
What do you People think would happen?

The US Train a Group of rebels and than the rebels are sendt out to join a active Group of rebels. Dont anybody see the problem With that?



I think they knew full well that the rebels were going to get the weapons, and they dint care as long as its going to be used against the Assad regime. . . .



posted on Sep, 24 2015 @ 07:45 AM
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originally posted by: spy66
What do you People think would happen?

The US Train a Group of rebels and than the rebels are sendt out to join a active Group of rebels. Dont anybody see the problem With that?



Why don't you explain it for us. Let's use Russia and Ukrainian rebels as an example, so as to make a generalized case.




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