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America was Founded on We the People, Not Christianity

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posted on Sep, 26 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Thomas Jefferson also had slaves, fathered slaves and had every chance to free slaves

Whoever claims that we're a Christian nation didn't pay attention in social studies. Religions just get extra perk in this country but we have no official religion.

Our founding fathesr had other gods they prayed to imo


Hypocrisy runs just as deep today with you as it did with Jefferson. How many Chinese laborers jumped to their deaths to protest the life that brought you a cheap iPad, motherboard, and processor so you could post such ill informed hypocrisy? 10? 20? 1000? You bash people of another time that are guilty of the same societal sins that you yourself ignorantly celebrate today.

The generation gap is indeed widening.

Lockean philosophy was life, liberty, and the protection of property. Jefferson changed that bit to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness in the Declaration of Independence as a direct protest to slavery because he knew later generations would use it to cite their right to slave property. You say that Jefferson had every chance to end slavery, if Jefferson had outlawed the slave industry that Europe brought to the American colonies the revolution would have failed from the start.

Fact is, America inherited the slave trade industry just as you inherited a life of cheap electronics and shoes made on the backs of imprisoned servants who are forced to live above the factory they work in every day. You have as much chance to solve cheap slave labor as Jefferson had to stop the African slave trade in the colonies.




posted on Sep, 27 2015 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Oh gosh.

1. "Christians" don't think America is a Christian nation. Some Christians in America may, but it's not a doctrinal Christian belief.

2. The Declaration of Independence is *not* the only document you want to cite if you're interested in how the Founders thought. It was a PR document. Read the federal and state constitutions and other documents at the time to see how they wanted things run. FYI, Jefferson was NOT involved in writing the Constitution.
2a. The "Founding Fathers" didn't collectively believe the same single thing. There was a huge divergence of opinion among them.
2b. Some (probably most) of the Founding Fathers through religion was necessary for a democratic nation like ours to function. This was a common belief at the time.
2c. Thomas Jefferson =/= The Founding Fathers. He was one of them. They didn't all think the same. Geez, is this so hard to grasp? People like to take TJ, quote him out of context, and then pretend he represents the whole of the Founding Fathers. That's malarky. There was a HUGE spectrum of thought among the founding generation!

3. The Constitution definitely prohibited the Federal Government from establishing a religion. It did not prevent the state governments for doing so. Some of them had state-sponsored churches up until the 1800s if I recall correctly. The "separation of church and state" idea didn't get applied until incorporation doctrine came along.

I'm not here to argue for the "Christian nation" nonsense but this decontextualizing of history is appalling.



posted on Oct, 21 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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Why is the part of the gov. in charge of making laws called sin it?



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