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posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 08:08 AM
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There is little sense in any post yet from any mason at best it amounts to name calling or misdirection an often use tactic of avoidence.

1. It is a secret society
2. Women are exclude.
3. It has been linked to wars and conspiricies through out history
4. Their members are always in political power in many countries.
5. Their members include business in international power
6. There are no villians in the Craft
7. It is a program/way of life/
8. Symbols are a major part of their rites
9 Masons built/designed significant buildings all over the world
10.Any sign or symbol found outside the Craft are coincidental

The masons want the world to believe they have power and are yet powerless.
That there hands bear no part of the evils of the world even if their members are/were involved

Masons hold geomertry in high esteem they call it sacred
Religions higher orders are connected to the Freemasons
The membership includes the most powerfull and avaricious ever seen
But they are a benign group

The word "flabbergate" is coined by this writter




posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 09:04 AM
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Any proof/links for 3 and 4?
You've been here three whole days, and I wonder how many of the Masonic threads you have read?
Many othershave come here before you to try to blame Masonry for the ills of the world, to say Masonry is evil. They have not succeeded. Neither will you, I say.

Women are excluded, yeah, and...it is a FRATERnity. So, by definition, it is a male only group.

What is your point here? Are you still trying to discredit a group that has done you no harm?



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 09:31 AM
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Gleamer are you for real?Do you really believe what you have posted?You have the same negative attiutude to Freemasonry as Mr Necross has,are you related by any chance?

Freemasons are hated by people who are bigotsand fanatics. As a Freemasons we only want the same freedoms that all people have. We want the right to privacy to have the right to seek the comfort and fellowship of our Brethren. Are these things too much to ask for?

Brother Gerard



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by GLeamer


The word "flabbergate" is coined by this writter



Just as you have coined the word "writter" too?


Maybe if you could try and write your posts in English we could understand and reply to them.



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 09:41 AM
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As can be seen from the above posting masons cannot see outside their self imposed box
Nothing more then name calling
no I did not coin "writer" , but it certainly shows the demeanor of a mason to ask



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 10:08 AM
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Look back to your opening post. You'll see that you mispelt the word (along with many others).

There is a good reason for my pointing this out.

If you can't even be bothered to take the time to make your posts coherent, why should anyone be bothered to reply to you?

As for the self-imposed box? Dude, get real. You have posted nothing but half twisted facts, innuendo and falsity. If you expect credibility you'll have to do a lot better than that.

Lets go through your points 1 by 1 shall we? Just so you don't think you're being ignored by the nasty widdle fweemasons.


1) Already discussed on ATS
2) Already discussed on ATS
3) Innuendo and no proof, other than Freemasons have been involved in war just as non-Freemasons have. It's called "serving your country".
4) False.
5) There are Freemasons in business. There are also non-Freemasons in business. What's your point?
6) No Freemason has ever stated that their Order is totally free of men who have committed a crime.
7) False.
8) Uh. So what. Aren't symbols a major part of everyone's life?
9) Mason's built buildings. Errr.... yes, a conspiracy there (I don't think). They wouldn't have been masons if they were fishermen would they?
10) Looks like you started out to post 10 points but ran out of ideas and were just reaching for the last couple. Symbols are normally universal but they do have different meanings to different people. Again, what's your point?

By the way. I didn't see anyone calling you names. Yet you seem to have no restraint when it comes to casting slurs at others.




[edit on 1-1-2005 by Leveller]



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 10:10 AM
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[edit on 1-1-2005 by Leveller]



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 12:46 PM
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the masons choose to defend the Craft in a maner that is only
appropriate to other masons I will not let them divert me from telling what is known about this world wide very ancient gang.
How many words are mispelled - well sorry about that -funny how the minute becomes a focus, while the elephant goes un noticed.

This is from Pike a much revered mason and past . of the Supreme Council...

"Masonry, like all religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead...

Sounds like a plan... Pike is also credited with being the founder of the KKK

How easily they shrug off all the coincidencess - which leads me to believe that masons are willing to forgo the facts in the name of the Agenda.

If you are to become a mason ... you will follow Pikes logic and
enlightenment - more from Pike...
"true Mason labors for the benefit of those who are to come after him, and for the advancement and improvement of his racencement and improvement of his race"

This statement is very odd... what is the mason race?

The Albert Pike Memorial Room inside the
Supreme Council 33 Temple, is located 13 blocks directly north
of the White House in Washington D.C..
that old number 13 coincidence again...

Albert Pike also wrote extensively on
the mythical super-race of the Aryans, extolling their virtues,
imagined history, and religion which
he tried to show was the precursor of Freemasonry... but is it mythical?



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by GLeamer
the masons choose to defend... blah blah blah...



PLEASE for the love of Pete do some real research! READ Morals and Dogma, if you can understand it, you will. I started it just last night, and it is going to be a tough read, I can tell already. And I'm a strong reader. Anyway, you use the same damn out-of-context quotes that every other troll that comes across these boards uses. It's tired. Go back a few months and read some threads. If you are too lazy, then I suppose I can point you to them, but all the stuff you are saying has been discussed here ad nauseum.



This statement is very odd... what is the mason race?



Here's a stab in the dark: THE HUMAN RACE?!?!?



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 01:19 PM
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Axeman as usual brings nothing
out of context .... how weak can you get.
Just more name calling
grow up dude



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 01:34 PM
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Tiz is true, the Masons are very secretive. But whats wrong in that? If they performed their meetings in the open they would lose their splender. To be a mason is to be a part of something that not many can be a part of. Many a powerful man was a Mason. but to be honest... I have never been harmed by them, or even heard of them causing harm. I think your topic is interesting. It may have some truth. But I dont know. Even if believed were "evil" I wouldnt go on record saying they were... They are all over the place, they do not hide what they are. so if you were "on to them" whats to stop them, from stopping you... Anyways thats just one of my rambles. I'm not a mason, there are quite a few where I live. Good men they are, damn good men. Would help you any way they could. So be it the Mason are very secrets... let them have their secrets. let them keep their spice in life. I'm sure you would feel different if u were a mason... kinda an intersting idea to be a mason. to be part of something people have many different ideas and wonders about. as far as anyone knows, the lodge meetings, could be pizza and football?



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 03:34 PM
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Originally posted by GLeamer

If you are to become a mason ... you will follow Pikes logic and
enlightenment - more from Pike...
"true Mason labors for the benefit of those who are to come after him, and for the advancement and improvement of his racencement and improvement of his race"

This statement is very odd... what is the mason race?


How is that statement odd? You think he's talking about the kangaroo race?
He's talking about the human race, and if you'd actually read his book instead of quoting him out of context from websites ran by paranoids, you'd see that the whole point of all his books is to demonstrate that it is the duty of Masonry and Masons to lift mankind out of ignorance, superstition, and bigotry by means of practicing what we preach.


Albert Pike also wrote extensively on
the mythical super-race of the Aryans, extolling their virtues,
imagined history, and religion which
he tried to show was the precursor of Freemasonry... but is it mythical?


No. Pike's writings on the Aryans were based on two things: the anthropology of his day, and the Vedas. Their history cannot be said to be imagined, any more than the history of Moses and the Israelites can be said to be imagined. The Hebrew holy books speak of the ancient Israelites, and the Hindu holy books speak of the ancient Aryans.

Contrary to your claims, Pike never said the Aryans were a "super race". What he did say was that he believed they practiced the first monotheistic religion, and that he also believed they were first philosophers. He reached this conclusion by studying the Rig Veda, Zend Avesta, and comparing ancient Aryan philosophical symbolism to that later used by Pythagoras and the Greeks.



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 03:50 PM
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GLeamer seems to me the easiest thing for you to do, would
be to go down to your nearest lodge and just ASK!!

Who knows you may even ingest some fresh air ( Heaven Forbid)



posted on Jan, 1 2005 @ 04:07 PM
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Who knows you may even ingest some fresh air ( Heaven Forbid)


I know your message was to GLeamer. But it reminded me of when I used to recieve freshair. oh how wonderful those days were. but they will never be again.



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by GLeamer
There is little sense in any post yet from any mason at best it amounts to name calling or misdirection an often use tactic of avoidence.

1. It is a secret society
2. Women are exclude.
3. It has been linked to wars and conspiricies through out history
4. Their members are always in political power in many countries.
5. Their members include business in international power
6. There are no villians in the Craft
7. It is a program/way of life/
8. Symbols are a major part of their rites
9 Masons built/designed significant buildings all over the world
10.Any sign or symbol found outside the Craft are coincidental

The masons want the world to believe they have power and are yet powerless.
That there hands bear no part of the evils of the world even if their members are/were involved

Masons hold geomertry in high esteem they call it sacred
Religions higher orders are connected to the Freemasons
The membership includes the most powerfull and avaricious ever seen
But they are a benign group

The word "flabbergate" is coined by this writter


Please cite your sources.



Originally posted by GLeamer
I will not let them divert me from telling what is known about this world wide very ancient gang.


What makes YOU such an authoritative source on the subject of Freemasonry?



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 06:22 PM
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I'm not a Scottish Rite Mason, nor am I a big fan of Al Pike, however I would suggest that you actually READ his work in context. His writing style is a bit confusing at times to a 21st century reader, but I'm sure you'd do alright with it.

You also should note that Pike didn't claim to speak for all Masons, nor can any one Mason speak for all. Even though he was held in high regard, and still is, there are many who don't agree nor care for his opinions.


Originally posted by GLeamer
the masons choose to defend the Craft in a maner that is only
appropriate to other masons I will not let them divert me from telling what is known about this world wide very ancient gang.
How many words are mispelled - well sorry about that -funny how the minute becomes a focus, while the elephant goes un noticed.

This is from Pike a much revered mason and past . of the Supreme Council...

"Masonry, like all religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead...

Sounds like a plan... Pike is also credited with being the founder of the KKK

How easily they shrug off all the coincidencess - which leads me to believe that masons are willing to forgo the facts in the name of the Agenda.

If you are to become a mason ... you will follow Pikes logic and
enlightenment - more from Pike...
"true Mason labors for the benefit of those who are to come after him, and for the advancement and improvement of his racencement and improvement of his race"

This statement is very odd... what is the mason race?

The Albert Pike Memorial Room inside the
Supreme Council 33 Temple, is located 13 blocks directly north
of the White House in Washington D.C..
that old number 13 coincidence again...

Albert Pike also wrote extensively on
the mythical super-race of the Aryans, extolling their virtues,
imagined history, and religion which
he tried to show was the precursor of Freemasonry... but is it mythical?




posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 07:23 PM
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Guys and gals, I'm still a relative newbie here.

I have no partiality for or against the Free Masons.

I'm not qualified to pass judgement.

HOWEVER,

What I DO see is a continuous TROLLING effort by certain members.

No one can be denied the right to free speech,
but the moderators here do have a right to administer their web site.

These forums are here as source of information.
They are not intended to provide a tool for continous abuse.

Most of us know how to use the search function to insure that we
are not duplicating a similar thread.

My experience in other forums tells me that some threads are better off locked.

just my 2 cents



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by GLeamer
Axeman as usual brings nothing
out of context .... how weak can you get.
Just more name calling
grow up dude



Yes, I said you are quoting Pike out of context. Alot of people here do that. Here let me help you out:


from www.dictionary.com
context
n.
1. The part of a text or statement that surrounds a particular word or passage and determines its meaning.
2. The circumstances in which an event occurs; a setting.


How weak? Apparently not too, seeing as I was immediately backed up by not less that (2) cogent individuals.

And for the record I would like for you to show me where I engaged in any name-calling. Grow up indeed.

[edit on 1/2/05 by The Axeman]



posted on Jan, 2 2005 @ 10:42 PM
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As far as women being excluded.

There is a seperate organization for women in masonry.
My wife was also included in part of the interveiwing process.

I am a mason though not always very active one and yes I agree there are alot of the "elite" in masonry but there are just as many personal trainers, resturant G.M.'s, teachers, screen printers and tee shirt makers.


I am sorry to my brother masons but I am going to let you in on the big secret.

Ready............ here goes












It's all about kids and charity's and brotherhood.



Sorry fellow brothers



posted on Jan, 4 2005 @ 09:24 AM
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Some Puzzle Pieces

USA Freemasons comprise about 0.01% of the population.

UFO's are real-the Government either denies or ignores the evidence.

The infiltration of the Freemasons
and their off shoot groups into high powerful
positions in Government is documented.

The USA is far behind all industrial countries in services to the citizens.
There is no country that has engaged in more wars(1776 -) then the USA.
Americans work more hours per week then any other industrial country.
USA education is a disaster.

The infiltration of the Freemasons
and their off shoot groups into high powerful
positions in Government is documented.

The relationship between Freemasons and religion is documented.

The Freemason are very ancient.
Freemason charities go to Freemasons first.
Freemasons call it Sacred Geometry.
Freemasons built/designed a great many major
buildings/roadways world wide.

Nuclear energy is dependent on geometry.

That there are other dimensions is now acknowledged by "science"
We have a tendency to stay in the now -
the immediate affect in general concerns us most.

Freemasons collectively are exceedingly wealthy.

If you don" think that the Freemasons are the great trouble makers of the world
-then try putting any other organizations name where Freemason is written.
I will put site on line that will go beyond the mere twaddle -
that what is stated above is true -
The documentation will be provided-
It is not for argument if there is a Freemason conspiracy.
Freemasons will not be able to post what they perceive as a defense.
If a Freemason is enlightened and out of the Freemason prison and can supply information concerning the ideas discussed he will be welcome.
Only anecdotal inclusion of any Freemason book

I do not have the need or want to debate any point with any Freemason.
The very mandates of your society make your input more then suspect.

The task a. is daunting - the Freemasons and their running dogs are deeply entrenched in all human endevors - The furure of the USA will be micro-chipped slaves, unless ACTION is taken to make people aware.

War,War and more war is where Freemasons are most comfortable.




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