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U.S. Postal Service Has Not Earned a Profit in Almost a Decade

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posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:42 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: jimmyx

Here's a thought?

Stop paying cadillac wages, and cadillac benefits.

After all it's a GOVERNMENT business.



they don't now....all hires are regarded as "part-time" until promoted into full time......they can work them 364 days a year with no benefits and much lower wages and then fire them....this isn't your grandpa's post office anymore....also they have what is called "swings".....where certain volunteer carriers work over time at the whim of the supervisor to cover a number of delivery shortfalls




posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: [post=19840112]Kali74[/post
The Bill should be repealed and USPS allowed to take its own money back and pay off its debt.


That does not address their dwindling market share and changing landscape.



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx
those policies that you point to doesn't seem to include a part about following congressional mandates....the policies you speak of, have to be ok'ed by the postal board of governors who answer to congress.....if you worked with them so closely, it would seem to me you would KnoW this, but, are deliberately leaving that out.


Is that so? The purchasing policies are part of their punch out system but are frequently overridden at the local level by using special PO's. The board of governors are not involved in the day to day of each facility.



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:48 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
lol's


lol's

and more lol's


Well, you can find it funny, it makes no difference to me.



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: neo96

this is from the USPS site........

At the Board meeting, the Postal Service reported that operating revenue increased $569 million in fiscal year 2014 (Oct. 1, 2013 – Sept. 30, 2014). Excluding a one-time adjustment to revenue of $1.3 billion in 2013 resulting from a change in accounting estimate for Forever stamps, 2014 operating revenue would have increased by $1.9 billion. This revenue growth resulted from the January 2014 price increase and strong growth in the Shipping and Packages business. Offsetting this positive news, however, were legislative burdens and constraints that contributed to a $5.5 billion net loss in 2014. This eighth consecutive annual net loss underscores the need for comprehensive legislation to repair the Postal Service’s broken business model.

about.usps.com...

see those words..."legislative burdens and constraints"......how clear does it have to be for you?



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:49 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Quite the opposite!

USPS' Rate Reductions May Pose A Threat To UPS And FedEx's Market Share


The Postal Regulatory Commission recently approved rate changes proposed by the U.S. Postal Service for its Priority Mail Product, which may prove to be a threat for United Parcel Service and FedEx‘s e-commerce package business. These changes, which will be effective from September 7, 2014, will lead to lower rates for USPS’ Priority Mail services based on Commercial Base and Commercial Plus pricing. USPS’ Commercial Base and Commercial Plus pricing are options available to businesses that ship a high volume of light weight packages, for example, e-commerce businesses. It is likely that U.S. e-commerce players will find this move favorable and may choose to avail USPS’ services for their deliveries, instead of UPS and FedEx.


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Well, you can find it funny, it makes no difference to me.


That's right I find it extremely funny that non of your statements or argument can be cited or sourced, no funny is not the correct phrase I should say it makes your comments and arguments extremely weak on credibility.


edit on 22-9-2015 by AlaskanDad because: as stated



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:51 PM
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originally posted by: Montana
Yep, sorry. That is the old form.

This is the new form.


It is still for employees or contractors, we were neither.


I notice you didn't answer the question. Did you or did you not report what you obviously consider to be waste?


No, frankly I did not know there was a method to do so, I just thought the systemic waste was part of how the place operates. The one anecdote I provided was just one of many. I could give you many more examples.


ETA: I see where it says 'non-employee'.



edit on 22-9-2015 by AugustusMasonicus because: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel



The only time a private company tried to deliver the mail, it was able to deliver it cheaper and drove down the postage rates for a few years.

"The American Letter Mail Company was started by Lysander Spooner in 1844, competing with the legal monopoly of the United States Post Office (USPO, now the USPS) in violation of the Private Express Statutes."


I doubt anyone here will fall for a business comparison from over 150 years ago. Current day greed alone will prevent it from being cheaper.


The times don't matter as much as the motivation to deliver mail cheaper so as to get all of the customers and make a profit. All of the American Letter Mail Company's deliveries used the same technology as the USPS had access to, and still made a profit by delivering at a lower price.

Any trucker today could carry a few hundred pounds of mail in addition to his normal load, and some folks with smaller trucks and 5th wheel trailers could deliver mail to outlying areas. A computerized network would be easy to set up. The newspaper delivery driver industry could expand to distribute mail to any address. Actually Additionally, some number of USPS buildings could be sold off in today's "just in time" delivery paradigm.

Competition keeps the prices down. The private company was competing with the USPS. A few competing companies could divide up the USPS or make their own arrangements.

Collectivism is about buying votes for more collectivism, usually with taxpayer money.
edit on 22-9-2015 by Semicollegiate because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:54 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx
you can always refuse mail service and have everything sent to you C.O.D. by FED EX or united parcel, then you can experience the joy of paying much more to private firms.


I rarely get mail as it is other then junk mail. I did not know I could stop my service, I just may do that.



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:56 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad
USPS' Rate Reductions May Pose A Threat To UPS And FedEx's Market Share


I highlighted the key word. When it turns into a definitive let me know.



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:57 PM
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originally posted by: AlaskanDad

While ATS members may have different opinions or agendas, the US postal service is Number 1 in the G-20 countries. Now why would anyone want it sold?



And what does this tell you about the "others" ?

The whole thing is a schlock operation.




posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 04:59 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

If you provide services or materials to the USPS I am pretty sure you are considered a contractor.

And even if you weren't how do you ethically chastise a system when you were PART OF THAT SYSTEM and didn't make any effort to change it? Shouldn't we be asking you for our money back?



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx

this is from the USPS site........



Well what *ELSE* would we expect them to say ?



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 05:04 PM
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originally posted by: Montana
If you provide services or materials to the USPS I am pretty sure you are considered a contractor.


A contractor is something different. We were a supplier.


And even if you weren't how do you ethically chastise a system when you were PART OF THAT SYSTEM and didn't make any effort to change it?


To be totally honest, they knew about this but no one cared. I took a laissez faire attitude as well.


Shouldn't we be asking you for our money back?


You could. Do you want me to tell you where I spent it all?



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 05:06 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: jimmyx
those policies that you point to doesn't seem to include a part about following congressional mandates....the policies you speak of, have to be ok'ed by the postal board of governors who answer to congress.....if you worked with them so closely, it would seem to me you would KnoW this, but, are deliberately leaving that out.


Is that so? The purchasing policies are part of their punch out system but are frequently overridden at the local level by using special PO's. The board of governors are not involved in the day to day of each facility.


of course they aren't involved in the day to day, but all the "numbers" have to be reported up the chain on a daily basis...do you think those that are overridden are not heard of, or known about, in the managing districts budgets, or they don't have to answer for them?.....plus, don't ever think that there isn't political pressure applied from individual congressional district congressmen, who gets a "whine" from some jerkoff businessman who got charged a little more for something, or he accuses the carrier of not getting an important document to him in time, even when it's shown it wasn't the P.O.'s fault.......now, are there problems?....of course there is, with such a massive organization with a lot of moving parts. but dissolving the post office, and making it private will not make it better.



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: jimmyx

this is from the USPS site........



Well what *ELSE* would we expect them to say ?



the post office isn't like FOX NEWS, it is held accountable for what it says



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: jimmyx
of course they aren't involved in the day to day, but all the "numbers" have to be reported up the chain on a daily basis...


On a daily basis? Really? Where are you getting that from? The purchasing managers we dealt with had monthly budgets and supplementals for non-conforming purchases, meaning they could exceed their budget if the line items they requisitioned were deemed to be essential on the supplemental list.


do you think those that are overridden are not heard of, or known about, in the managing districts budgets, or they don't have to answer for them?


As I stated to the other poster, the one anecdote I mentioned was on everyone's radar but no one said a word. They felt it was better to keep using up the straps as long as they did not have to deal with another PR nightmare of having the US Mail scattered all over the NJ Turnpike with Postal Workers wading through the swap to scoop up packages.


but dissolving the post office, and making it private will not make it better.


Where did I say it needed to be dissolved? Are you putting words in my mouth?




edit on 22-9-2015 by AugustusMasonicus because: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 05:14 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Ok no may involved here, I suppose you will attack the source (Forbes) next?



USPS Taking Market Share in Parcel Delivery
In the FY11 third quarter, the Postal Service reported growth in nearly all parcel and express products that equalled or exceeded industry growth rates. The growth rates were as follows.

First Class Parcels - 9.7%
Standard Parcels - 6.7%
Parcel Post - 14.2%
Express Mail - (3.9%)
Priority Mail - 3.6%
Parcel Select - 28.7%
Parcel Return Service - 38.2%
Total All Domestic Parcel Services - 9.1%

For comparison, United Parcel Service saw a 0.6% increase in its domestic volume in the same quarter and Fedex volume from March through May, 2011 grew 6.6% in the United States. More than half of FedEx's growth was in Postal Service delivered parcels.

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posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 05:22 PM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

where am I getting that from?....from my wife, who as a supervisor had to send up to district offices, a litany of daily reports at the close of each business day. do you think what you said was happening, wasn't known about at some level up the chain?



posted on Sep, 22 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: AlaskanDad

You obviously do not completely undetstand the metrics in relation to what you posted.

You said 'USPS' Rate Reductions May Pose A Threat To UPS And FedEx's Market Share'. All three of them gained market share which means someone else lost market share. When UPS or FedEx lose market share than your original statement becomes fact. At this point it is still speculative.

Additionally, UPS and FedEx have massive shares at 54% and 30% respectively while the USPS has 16%. It is rather difficult when you have 54% to gain much so the numbers must be taken in context. The article explains that both UPS and FedEx are purposefully raising rates on unprofitable e-commerce shipments and instead moving towards their more profitable models. If they are abandoning these shipments, what does that tell you?




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