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The right’s Planned Parenthood trap: Manufactured controversies, pliant Democrats...

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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:14 PM
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As an election season lurches into gear, surreptitiously recorded videos targeting a left-leaning organization appear on an obscure right-wing website. Soon, the videos are spread by the conservative blogosphere, denounced on right-wing talk radio, broadcast by Fox News and its cable news counterparts and debated in Congress. Within days of their first appearance, the videos become pretext for Republican calls to defund the targeted liberal activist group.

The liberal group in question this time, Planned Parenthood, became one of the stars of Wednesday night’s GOP debate as the Republican presidential candidates fell over one another proclaiming their support for defunding it.

Though Planned Parenthood is the right’s current target, this plan of attack found its first success six years ago with conservative provocateur James O’Keefe’s undercover footage of ACORN offices. When Congressional Democrats caved to GOP pressure and voted to defund ACORN in late 2009, it proved to be a historic success for the right. For decades, conservative activists and their Republican allies have been working to undermine financial and organizational support for the Democratic Party by “defunding the left.” The result has been a steady erosion of the Democratic Party’s base, part of a larger shift in the political playing field that has empowered conservative interest groups and activists.

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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:20 PM
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a reply to: rbnhd76

I agree

If you find abortions repulsive don't have one!

But don't force your beliefs onto others



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:32 PM
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a reply to: openmind102

All I can say is "thank goodness for people like James O'Keefe".

Most of those griping about the right wing's expose of PP are people that haven't even looked at the full scope of the videos, including Hillary Clinton.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: rbnhd76

I agree

If you find abortions repulsive don't have one!

But don't force your beliefs onto others


If you believe that it's a baby and a human individual, why wouldn't you force your "beliefs"? The baby can't do it.
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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: rbnhd76

I agree

If you find abortions repulsive don't have one!

But don't force your beliefs onto others


I find abortions repulsive.

I always find when people defend that organization that was started by a racist to be repulsive.

Remember now the only reason any of are are here talking about is because our mothers decided to have us.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:56 PM
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Whats even more frightening is the fact that people actually source Salon as a reputable news source......

That company long ago gave up the ghost for any sort of objective reporting , or even investigation......

I remember not too long ago, and I cant remember what the subject was, but one of their reporters went on a tirade against some political person, talking about their wild conspiracy theories.........lol

Turns out one of his main points about his conspiracy theories didnt even come from the political pundit, it came from Salons own article written 5 yrs ago......

LMAO

They dont even try anymore



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 12:59 PM
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originally posted by: pavil

If you believe that it's a baby and a human individual, why wouldn't you force your "beliefs"? The baby can't do it.


Because not everyone shares the same "beliefs" that's why. Your "beliefs" are you own. Mine are mine, yours our yours and theirs are theirs.

Let people live their lives by their "beliefs" and they'll let you live yours by yours. Force yours on them and they'll be forcing theirs on you soon enough.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
I'm curious as to whether this OP plans to start a thread in which they actually share their opinion, rather than simply copy and pasting half an article from another site (in this case, Salon.com).


First I am not a paid shill, and if you need my opinion on this article, i will give it.

I do not vote, but have strong views concerning the take over of global economics by corporations and environmental collapse, and human rights. They do not kill infants to get body parts at Planned Parenthood. They do make a little money selling fetal tissue for research. The right wing group that is demonizing PP is being very devious about what it shows in their self made videos, and they do it because they are Pro Life maniacs. I am for a women's right to choose what she wants to do with her body. If left to these maniacs they abolish medically safe abortions, and we be back 100 years to women having abortions in back alleys, and dying. Remember "you can not legislate morality", it never works. Besides, it is the Republican crack pots who are putting together these shocking videos for POLITICAL advantage. They really do not care about abortions, they just want to get people to come to their side. These videos are not about the sanctity of life, but about political maneuvering. And by all means move as far right as you can so we can make laws to halt legalized abortion, Aid to Deponent Children, Food stamps, and unemployment checks. Also lower the tax rate some more for the ultra wealthy to 25%, instead of increasing it to 90% like it was in the fifties, and we had a middle class, and the poor were taken care of.
These videos are like the videos of the moon landing being filmed in a studio. They WANT TO SHOCK YOU so you change your mind about government spending. Which is now all Chinese money anyway.

Oh I forgot, when I die I am donating my body for medical research at our local University medical center.
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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
Whats even more frightening is the fact that people actually source Salon as a reputable news source......

That company long ago gave up the ghost for any sort of objective reporting , or even investigation......

I remember not too long ago, and I cant remember what the subject was, but one of their reporters went on a tirade against some political person, talking about their wild conspiracy theories.........lol

Turns out one of his main points about his conspiracy theories didnt even come from the political pundit, it came from Salons own article written 5 yrs ago......

LMAO

They dont even try anymore


Did you even read the article? It was well researched and there were many references to anyone could google and see are true. So mr. reporter do your homework!



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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No one is trying to "defund" the Democratic party. Organizations receiving public funding are not part of the political parties nor are they supposed to be political in nature. Acorn was advocating breaking if not breaking the law and their funds were removed. As far as I know PP isn't doing anything illegal even if their actions are morally questionable. They are different situations and I doubt PP is in any danger of being defunded.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
No one is trying to "defund" the Democratic party. Organizations receiving public funding are not part of the political parties nor are they supposed to be political in nature. Acorn was advocating breaking if not breaking the law and their funds were removed. As far as I know PP isn't doing anything illegal even if their actions are morally questionable. They are different situations and I doubt PP is in any danger of being defunded.


Google "defunding the left", and open your mind. Read the articles that explain that IT IS HAPPENING!



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: openmind102

originally posted by: ProfessorChaos
I'm curious as to whether this OP plans to start a thread in which they actually share their opinion, rather than simply copy and pasting half an article from another site (in this case, Salon.com).


First I am not a paid shill, and if you need my opinion on this article, i will give it.

I do not vote, but have strong views concerning the take over of global economics by corporations and environmental collapse, and human rights. They do not kill infants to get body parts at Planned Parenthood. They do make a little money selling fetal tissue for research. The right wing group that is demonizing PP is being very devious about what it shows in their self made videos, and they do it because they are Pro Life maniacs. I am for a women's right to choose what she wants to do with her body. If left to these maniacs they abolish medically safe abortions, and we be back 100 years to women having abortions in back alleys, and dying. Remember "you can not legislate morality", it never works. Besides, it is the Republican crack pots who are putting together these shocking videos for POLITICAL advantage. They really do not care about abortions, they just want to get people to come to their side. These videos are not about the sanctity of life, but about political maneuvering. And by all means move as far right as you can so we can make laws to halt legalized abortion, Aid to Deponent Children, Food stamps, and unemployment checks. Also lower the tax rate some more for the ultra wealthy to 25%, instead of increasing it to 90% like it was in the fifties, and we had a middle class, and the poor were taken care of.
These videos are like the videos of the moon landing being filmed in a studio. They WANT TO SHOCK YOU so you change your mind about government spending. Which is now all Chinese money anyway.

Oh I forgot, when I die I am donating my body for medical research at our local University medical center.


You are addressing the "shill" comment made by another member; I never referred to you as a 'shill'.
Thank you for putting your opinion into the thread.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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I think the biggest Democrat "defunders" are the Democrat voters and the Democrat candidates.

After last year's slaughterhouse elections, you have to wonder who is winning the propaganda contests.




posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:56 PM
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Every abortion has two victims, the death of the baby and the wounding of the mother.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 04:18 PM
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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: pavil

If you believe that it's a baby and a human individual, why wouldn't you force your "beliefs"? The baby can't do it.


Because not everyone shares the same "beliefs" that's why. Your "beliefs" are you own. Mine are mine, yours our yours and theirs are theirs.

Let people live their lives by their "beliefs" and they'll let you live yours by yours. Force yours on them and they'll be forcing theirs on you soon enough.


You miss my point. If one side thinks you are killing a human being,a totally defenceless one at that, it's not merely a belief. You'd be asking them to accept the murder of a human. Using your logic, shouldn't the human infant be able to live their lives as they see fit?



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 05:00 PM
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originally posted by: pavil

You miss my point. If one side thinks you are killing a human being,a totally defenceless one at that, it's not merely a belief. You'd be asking them to accept the murder of a human. Using your logic, shouldn't the human infant be able to live their lives as they see fit?


I think you miss my point. Do you want to be told what to do with the most personal choices in your life??? Do you like to have your choices removed so that only one is left which you are forced to accept??? Didn't think so.

Look, you can't control something like this. If you don't like Abortion, fine, don't get one. If you don't like others having them, fine, do something positive like coming up with alternatives. But telling them "No" and removing that choice which is theirs to make and not yours to make for them, will never achieve whatever it is you think you're goal is.

At the same time you're refusing them alternatives you're leaving them and the child with a very probable future of suffering, neglect, abuse and a substandard living condition. All the Anti-Choice crowd just love to take choices away from others while many of them still get to enjoy them. All you're doing is making life harder for the people who already have it hard enough.

Now, to your questions. It's not an infant. It's still connected to the mother and when done properly isn't a developed human at all. Sure there are some late term abortions and that is more unfortunate but still it's not a developed human yet. We can argue all day about the morality but I'm not wasting my time with that. It all comes down to the fact that it's not your choice to make for others. So stop forcing yourself into other peoples lives. You hate it when others do it to you so stop doing it to other people. It's their choice. Let them do what they will with their lives. Focus on your life and stop with the double standards. If you want freedom of choice in life, which we all want, then be good enough to give it to others.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 05:09 PM
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I think you miss my point. Do you want to be told what to do with the most personal choices in your life??? Do you like to have your choices removed so that only one is left which you are forced to accept??? Didn't think so.


Do you mean like being told how much money I get to keep in my wallet, and like having to ask the state for permission to buy a firearm, the state dictating to me how many rounds it can fire with the pull of the trigger to how many rounds it can hold?

But the state making those personal choices is AOK!

God forbid the state telling a woman not to kill her child.

Well now that would be UNACCEPTABLE.



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