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originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Wardaddy454
Conjecture yes, hyperbole no. If we used it one time we'd use it again, I think that's a logical assumption. What's the point in having them and continuing to build then if we have no intention of using them?
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: randomtangentsrme
You really believe that guy wasn't the exception to the rule? Those bombs destroyed generations of lives. You can't just look at that one person and ignore everyone else, that's ignorant.
Take a look at this link to get an idea of the damage done by the bombs.
And seriously? I'm not even going to address the continued ignorance about why they were dropped on Japan. Yea, they made a point. The point was "surrender or we'll keep doing this because we're not willing to sacrifice a million of our men to force your surrender." That's not quite the "point" you're pretending it was (aka nanny nanny boo boo we have nukes and you don't!)
You see it's not my burden to prove it did, as you are the one saying it didn't...the burden is on you to prove why it didn't.
You do understand that NK is kept in check by China...nobody kept Saddam in check, also know that terrorist were allowed to stay in Iraq as long as they didn't bother Saddam or cause trouble in Iraq. Also know the fact that Saddam had shown he would use chemical weapons on innocent Kurds without recourse...something MK has never done. Learn about the things Saddam did to his own people...then learn what NK has done and there is no comparison.
Effectively the US and the UK were going to war with Iraq using permission for a war 13 years earlier. Technically it could be argued that this was legal. However, this was not the intention of 678 which related to Kuwait, nor is it the intention of the principles in the UN Charter. Most crucially, the key assumption that the UN weapons inspectors were not being allowed free reign at the time was false. UN Chief Weapons Inspector Hans Blix stated only weeks before the war that his team had successfully inspected the majority of sites, uncovering no real evidence, and he only needed a few more months to complete the task. Shockingly, Blix revealed in an interview in 2003 that Vice-President Dick Cheney said to him “we will not hesitate to discredit you in favour of disarmament.” In other words, tell us there are WMD’s or we will claim you’re incompetent and go to war anyway. It was also not proven that Iraq was involved in September 11 therefore the US could not claim to be acting in self-defence. In terms of pre-emptive self-defence – that is attacking them before they get a chance to attack you – this has not been established in international law due to the rather large grey area it would create. The US and UK governments, along with a willing media, created a sense in the public that the legal test was ‘do we think they have WMDs?’ As you can see from international law and their legal reasoning, it wasn’t that simple at all. Given it can be reasonably considered illegal, and the astronomical number of casualties, the Iraq War could arguably be seen as the biggest crime of the decade. Photo/UN Photo - President George W Bush and UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan
And yet when any oil contract came up it was a Chinese firm that won it...only one American company is in Iraq and wants to sell their stake they have there...I guess it really wasn't about the oil was it? Seems if it were all about the oil we would have made sure we had the contracts for the oil fields not the Chinese. And you do know your link has nothing to do with the oil in Iraq...it's about returning veterans?
Oh you can, but to say you know all about how veterans are treated by the US government is laughable as you see what get's reported...only the bad things are what you see, as an American we see the good that happens which doesn't get reported and like this thread all that get's talked about is the bad things.
And there are just as many if not more that have stories who were treated good when they got back...but of course those don't matter because the bad is all you think happens to them
I have never denied a thing, but I see what good happens to veterans in this country, and I see the bad, but I also don't say because of the bad that makes the US the greatest threat to world peace. As for you being from the UK...good for you, but don't think you know how every veteran in the US is treated the way you think they have.
I guess the same could be said of you...but of course since you live in the UK you know more about how troops are treated than those who live in the US and know and work with many who were either in the military or have family members that were in the war and returned that have been treated good.
Whta a complete cop out! You can't even admit that the war was illegal.
Does not matter what saddam was doing to his own people, as bad as it was, that does not justify a war.
Link says it all really
Britain took a leading role in invading Iraq, government documents show.
No, i dont know every veteran in the us. Just like you don't. But it seems that us veterans are not happy
Well, considering i hve worked for a number of charities including help the heroes and the royal britsh legion, i know exactly how bad it can be for alot of troops coming back home. And its the same in the US.
we very much had a hand in these two groups. To deny that is just ignorant
Why, because you and a few websites say so?
Ah yes, I see your logic...let people die as long as they aren't bothering you. Great logic.
Maybe you should be pointing the finger at your government as it was them who took the lead in the invasion of Iraq...as your link says. And your saying the US was only going to war for oil yet your link is talking about the English government and them meeting oil execs, not the US. SO in fact your own source contradicts your whole premise of why the US went to Iraq, and the fact it was the British government who in fact had these meetings not the US.
I imagine you don't know many at all, but you do have some that have bad experiences returning from warzones, but you have more that have been able to deal with their problems and your link even says so in the first few sentences...
ust wondering if you actually read the article, because if you did you would see the morale is low because of a few things...one being the amount of training they are doing to stay ready in case they deploy overseas...it takes a toll after awhile. The other being the loss of decent raises and not getting training for things that they can use when they get out of the military. It is something that is expected when a country is trying to cut their spending. When budgets get cut so do programs in the military, so the US gov't is doing these things out of necessity...not because they don't care about the troops.
So is that because you know personally that it is the same, or are you just making a blanket statement hoping your right?
You know what's funny about your link...even you can get an article published on their, so not a very good source for actual truth. More like reader generated bias.
So unless someone agrees with you they are ignorant...Thanks for clarifying that for me.
ISIS Camp a Few Miles from Texas, Mexican Authorities Confirm
Our right wing is in a flutter over recently declassified and released Pentagon intelligence documents regarding Middle Eastern events in recent years. FoxNews is blaring about failures to miss the rise of the Islamic State and (of course) about Benghazi, in its customary way, but without much context.
Worse is this piece, which has a pronouncedly conspiratorial bent, implying that the Pentagon was somehow in on the rise of the Islamic State — which is precisely what Tehran and Moscow want you to think. The documents in question, obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by Judicial Watch, a right-wing group, can be seen in full here, but the report generating the most heat, if not light, is this one.
This is an early August 2012 field report to the Defense Intelligence Agency, known in the trade as an Intelligence Information Report or IIR. As it states clearly, this is an “information report, not finally evaluated intelligence.” Its contents are deemed explosive by those seeking explosions. According to outraged observers online, this DIA IIR is “proof” that “the Pentagon” and “the Intelligence Community” knew more about the rise of the Islamic State than they let on. At best, they’re fools; at worst, they’re deceivers who have lied to the American people.
originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1I'm sure I'll get a lot of hate for this post but I know it to be true. America is nothing like what Americans think. We are the greatest threat to world peace, bar none. History and current events prove that in my opinion.
On Tuesday he was seen on television banging his fist on the table in anger, criticising Arabs for not doing enough in response to Israeli killings in the Palestinian territories.
He said the great people of Iraq were ready to destroy Zionism right now and he called on Arabs to brandish their swords and make the sacrifices needed.
Iraq has also been calling for a holy war to liberate Jerusalem from Israeli control. President Saddam Hussein has said Iraq did not need to wait for sanctions to be lifted before striking Israel.
..."the American cowboys are reaping the fruit of their crimes against humanity".
originally posted by: Antidisestablishment
The Nuclear Bomb was the worst thing ever invented and unleashed upon the world.
The Manhatten Project was conceived at Bohemia Grove.
Once they let the "Nuclear Genie" out of the bottle, it couldn't be put back.
Oppenheimer quoted "Lo, I am become Death, destroyer of worlds"
In other words, he saw himself as God.
You just don't seem to listen. It does not matter what my links are, you can find the evidence anywhere
You asked me to post proof that Iraq invasion had nothing to do with American people.
You tried to make out that I was saying that this is all about the us.
You are a lost cause, a government pet who never questions. They say they care about you and want to protect you and you believe it!
Some people are more easily conditioned than others. Sad fact is, we see all these horrible things happening in the world, the wars, murders, torture, corruption, and the governments are behind a good percentage of them. But they have conditioned us with patriotism for your country, that they can pretty much get away with everything because there will always be people like you, and as long as there are people like you, this will never stop