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Bernie Sanders seeks to ban private prisons

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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Hey, I think your numbers as skewed. A quick google search provided things like this, this, and this that show numbers in Louisiana alone quadruple the rate that you cited in your calculations. Texas seems to house 22% of their inmates in such prisons, and California had around 12,300 in other states private prisons (such as Nevada and Arizona) before making their own to house thousands more.




posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 05:41 PM
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a reply to: Indigo5
Bernie Sanders is a throwback from the '30's'; I am surprised he has any traction (within 18 year olds maybe) that have no historical base for what socialism is/or can lead to within their short lives; example: The National Socialist German Workers Party. Could be a 'grass roots' ideology that takes hold.


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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 06:29 PM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
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This is because China has zero tolerance for crime. This is an easy fix. Let a communist government take over this democratic one. If even suspected of criminal activity you just disappear.


Do you have some data to support that assertion?
Looking around, I could find nothing to back that.

According to this website, executing people in China is for only the most heinous crimes.


www.lectlaw.com...
Peoples Republic of China Justice System


The death penalty is only to be applied to those offenders who commit the most heinous crimes. The Criminal Law provides for two types of death penalty viz. death penalty with two year suspension of execution and death penalty without suspension of execution.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: jacobe001

originally posted by: vethumanbeing


vhb: This is because China has zero tolerance for crime. This is an easy fix. Let a communist government take over this democratic one. If even suspected of criminal activity you just disappear.


Do you have some data to support that assertion?
Looking around, I could find nothing to back that.

According to this website, executing people in China is for only the most heinous crimes.

www.lectlaw.com...
Peoples Republic of China Justice System

Who constructed this website? You believe communist propaganda?

jacobe001: The death penalty is only to be applied to those offenders who commit the most heinous crimes. The Criminal Law provides for two types of death penalty viz. death penalty with two year suspension of execution and death penalty without suspension of execution.

Yes; I hear the Chinese Government is very fair regarding the allowance (freedom of speech); civil disobedience of/by their enslaved constituency as well. Chinese Christians are routinely singled out for persecution. There are no heinous crimes committed by the populace (as live in terror, only small infractions they disappear for) major crimes are only allowed to be committed by government officials.





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posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 07:00 PM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
originally posted by: jacobe001

Who constructed this website? You believe communist propaganda?

Yes; I hear the Chinese Government is very fair regarding the allowance (freedom of speech); civil disobedience of/by their enslaved constituency as well. Chinese Christians are routinely singled out for persecution. There are no heinous crimes committed by the populace (as live in terror, only small infractions they disappear for) major crimes are only allowed to be committed by government officials.







Yea, I am with you on Communist
They stole millions of their own citizens lands and forced them to move to the cities to build widgets for American Companies.

When Big Business has no bones about partaking in human rights abuses and trading with a Communist Country, why should I want them anywhere near our justice system when it is all about profits first?

They show they have no moral standing either.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Indigo5
Bernie Sanders is a throwback from the '30's'; I am surprised he has any traction (within 18 year olds maybe) that have no historical base for what socialism is/or can lead to within their short lives; example: The National Socialist German Workers Party. Could be a 'grass roots' ideology that takes hold.



Oh I think there are plenty of things about Sanders and others that warrant examination and debate.

I just don't think his honesty in describing himself as a socialist is "creepy" as you suggested.

Politics would be much more worthwhile in this country if everyone was that honest in self-description.

That said, for or against Bernie, the truth is that he is to pure Socialism what beer is to heroine. Both in the same family of mood-altering intoxicants, but a wide spectrum between them. Most developed countries have strong doses of Socialism to no detrimental effect. Agreed though that socialism as a "solution" is horrible policy with horrific outcomes, same can be said about most political philosophies.



posted on Sep, 20 2015 @ 09:31 PM
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originally posted by: vethumanbeing
a reply to: Indigo5
example: The National Socialist German Workers Party.


We can all play games with word association, I suppose we should avoid republicans then because:


The Iraqi Republican Guard (Arabic: حرس العراق الجمهوري‎ ""Ḥaris al-‘Irāq al-Jamhūriyy") was a branch of the Iraqi military from 1969 to 2003, primarily during the presidency of Saddam Hussein. It later became the Republican Guard Corps, and then the Republican Guard Forces Command (RGFC) with its expansion into two corps.

source

Thanks for the lol's!!!



posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 03:44 PM
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More evidence of the moral failures of Capitalism.



posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: AlaskanDad

Okay, okay. Let's take a step back and look at the bigger picture and get some perspective on private prisons. We hear about them all the time, and we're told that there is a big effort to lock more people up and make more profit off those people. What's the reality though when it comes to private prisons? You may be surprised...



There are approximately 2 million inmates in state, federal and private prisons throughout the country. According to California Prison Focus, “no other society in human history has imprisoned so many of its own citizens.” The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S.


Okay, so in total we have 2 million people in prisons.



The prison privatization boom began in the 1980s, under the governments of Ronald Reagan and Bush Sr., but reached its height in 1990 under William Clinton, when Wall Street stocks were selling like hotcakes. Clinton’s program for cutting the federal workforce resulted in the Justice Departments contracting of private prison corporations for the incarceration of undocumented workers and high-security inmates


Okay, so this really all took off in earnest in the 80s...30 years ago. But how many people are in private prisons? How big is this getting? Not nearly as big as you think or have been lead to believe...



About 18 corporations guard 10,000 prisoners in 27 states. The two largest are Correctional Corporation of America (CCA) and Wackenhut, which together control 75%.

globalresearch.ca

So, out of 2 million prisoners nationwide, only 10,000 of them are in a private prison. That's half a percent of all prisoners in the USA. Half a percent. Since the 1980s.

So in over 30 years, we have half a percent of all our prisoners in private prisons.

Seriously, this is that big of an epidemic? Why are we being whipped up into a frenzy over .5% of all prisoners in private prisons? Why are we being told to be angry about that?

What we ought to be angry about is having more prisoners than China in total! Yep, in all those local, state, and federal prisons. We should be angry about that, not 10,000 people in 27 states being held in for-profit prisons...



I was ready to give Saunders kudos for this 'great move' to resolve an injustice...until I read you post. The actual figures for public vs. private prisons puts this policy proposal more into perspective. Thanks fro adding factual information to the discussion.

Essentially, this proposal will solve little in reducing the prison population, but it sounds real good. Another feel-good proposal that gets us very little in actual improvements.

Now if the postings that indicate the percentages of prisoners housed in private prisons are higher are correct, then yes, I do think this is a good idea. There should be no motivation to imprison anyone that is not related to criminal behavior.
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posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 07:25 PM
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Thanks, the real issue IMO is the total prison population.

It looks to me like private prisons aren't growing very fast, they probably don't save as much money as the states would like in the end. Privatization of government-run services usually ends up costing more with reduced quality. People never seem to learn this, yet are all for privatizing everything.



posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 07:38 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: lakesidepark

Thanks, the real issue IMO is the total prison population.

It looks to me like private prisons aren't growing very fast, they probably don't save as much money as the states would like in the end. Privatization of government-run services usually ends up costing more with reduced quality. People never seem to learn this, yet are all for privatizing everything.

When the government attempts or thinks about the 'idea' of privatizing some of its services it shrinks itself. Is this the problem? It wants to grow instead and did a 180 UH OH. Letting the market (as competitive as it is) determine the system of incarceration would succeed. There are standards and regulations set up the American Civil Liberties Union that would make sure all standards of human rights are met. You can be assured the AFO-CIO would be involved as well (wanting the jobs to sustain the facility).
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posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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Okay, yeah, I'm late to the party again......

I S/Fed the OP.

Private Prisons are capitalist bullsh!t.



posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

The courts are being paid to incarcerate youths for non-violent crimes.



posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 07:55 PM
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God!!!!...this word makes me so sad.


I'm thinking about intending to take a week off from everything and everyone. Maybe go on a solo road-trip.

Perhaps.

I need it.



posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: BrianFlanders
Bernie Sanders is creepy. Any politician who would openly admit to being a socialist is probably even worse than they claim to be.


Or honest?


Obama openly admitted to wanting socialized medicine (what else would universal healthcare without an individual mandate be?). And of course we found out he was far worse than he admitted to being. Soon as he was president, the individual mandate appeared immediately.


I would take him over a right wing nut job like Larry Kraig, espousing homophobia from the senate floor while soliciting gay sex in an airport bathrooms.


But you wouldn't call Bernie a socialist nutjob and that's what's dangerous.



posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 10:59 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
Okay, yeah, I'm late to the party again......

I S/Fed the OP.

Private Prisons are capitalist bullsh!t.

As if the Feds are not the same corporation bleeding you dry (taxes). When did you get your last individualized P and L statement (FICA; SOC SEC) from .gov? *investments made upon your behalf (because you are deemed lamebrains) and cannot be trusted to invest your own money* we are children of Federal Reserve system used. The FDIC is a joke as the guaranteed insurer.
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posted on Sep, 21 2015 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: Xcathdra

The courts are being paid to incarcerate youths for non-violent crimes.

What is this malfeasance within which court systems targeting juveniles? High School attendance tardy roles?



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