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what is REALLY causing the mass movement towards Europe?

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posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: Cobaltic1978


It was the calling of Germany that spurred this sudden influx. Germany stated they would take in any refugees from Syria and then the influx started.


This is exactly what Aljazeera News reported this morning. That Germany's announcement that all refugees were welcome, prompted the mass exodus.




posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: FamCore

How is it helping a globalist agenda? That's my question - because it appears as if this is being orchestrated in both EU and US



That's also my question and imagine there are many answers -- some more obvious than others. The global powers don't make anything happen unless it accomplishes many goals.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 01:03 PM
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a reply to: Cobaltic1978


It was the calling of Germany that spurred this sudden influx. Germany stated they would take in any refugees from Syria and then the influx started.


Exactly. The surge of refugees migrating into Europe was kicked off when Merkel announced in August that Germany was pledging to admit 800,000 refugees in 2015 and perhaps as many as 1 million.

Why are there people acting like this is all some sort of mystery? Perhaps it's because it wasn't newsworthy in the West that 4 million Syrians refugees had already fled to Turkey, Lebanon and Jordan since the fighting erupted in 2011? (and that's just Syria)



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 01:11 PM
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Where else would they go?

Where are they coming from and what's easiest to get to?

If Syria and Ukraine where close to Canada or Mexico, then those two countries would be having the refugee crisis.

It's pretty simple really. If I lived in Syria, I'd escape with my family as well. I'd fight like heck to get somewhere relatively safe and easy to get to, with a chance of prosperity...even a little chance. I'd be all over Europe.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 01:30 PM
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a reply to: liteonit6969

Agree that there is a reason this is happening now and in the headlines.

A look at all the headlines lays out quite clearly where we are headed if you are willing to accept there is a reason behind them. We know The Bilderberg Group pulls global strings with the media. We know the UN wants to extend its power. We know they all have their eyes on a centralized global government. And we know the global media repeats the same headlines across the globe.

And if people looked into the founding of the European Union and The Bilderberg Group, they would see they were founded by Joseph Retinger, a Polish analyst and socialist who promoted Fabian Socialism.

Fabian socialists meet their objectives through infiltration and the quiet reformation of existing governments slowly -- they tackle one issue at a time and use propaganda to shape public opinion.

At some point you have to consider the possibility that the global elite are Fabian socialists and because they use infiltration as a means to achieve their goals, they aren't going to announce their presence if they have infiltrated a given government.

But all the facts seem to suggest that is exactly what's going on.

The question is, if they have infiltrated the U.S. government, how do you think they accomplished that?

By infiltrating and controlling the two major parties.

Ben Carson is mainstreaming the idea of mandatory vaccinations amongst conservatives -- which is completely contrary to typical conservatives policies. Republicans don't stand up to Obama. Democrats voted for- and to fund Bush's wars. Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton worked hand in hand to smuggle drugs and launder money, etc…etc...

…The two parties and their major, influential players work together and pretend they have different agendas.

And that's what makes it all so scary. We know our Congress is corrupt and have ZERO oversight -- they would never invest in the people in a (more) socialist economy. They would line their pockets and many other pockets they are beholden to.

I used to be a socialist, it is not a scary term to me. It feels good to want to take care of one another, but that's not what is in store for us because we aren't driving the agenda -- the global elite are.

I think it's fair to say that all the signs point to one fact: The global elite are succeeding at bringing us closer and closer to accepting a global socialist government. Opening borders to refugees seems like a great way to go global to me.
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posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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the thing i notice with alot of this media, is it doesn't look like families fleeing a war torn country,

it looks like alot of young men, some that look like they wouldn't look out of place on the front lines, i saw one guy who looked a Arnold Schwarzenegger body double, and this man is fleeing his country of fear of his own life?

to me this looks like a bunch of military people running away,

look at the news again, see how many women and children you see



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Phatdamage

Do yourself a favor, Google image search "Syrian refugees" and you can look at images from dozens of sources simultaneously. Then ask yourself if you're being manipulated by whatever outlets you favor. The Internet is rife with propagandists who are doing slimy things like trying to pass off old images and footage of as refugees. Here's two examples from the last week and a half covered in ATS threads:

thread one
thread two
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posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
If Syria and Ukraine where close to Canada or Mexico, then those two countries would be having the refugee crisis.


It's interesting how Canada became part of the refugee headlines given its location.

I just went back to that story and noticed the propaganda they are getting. Here's a takeaway from one of their refugees...


Poladian said he and his family, including his parents and siblings, began the application process to come to Canada last December.

“When we heard about the opportunity -- I love to call it the golden opportunity – we started to prepare our (immigration application) papers,” he said.

The entire process took a total of nine months.

While he’s happy to be in Canada, Poladian said many Syrians are still suffering overseas.

“People left their homes and now they’re in camps, behind fences,” Poladian said. “They can’t go back to Syria and they can’t escape to go as a refugee, to any country.”

The international community, including Canada, “should give their best to empower these people and make them part of their community,” he said.

Poladian also had a message for refugees still struggling to survive and escape the violence.

“Stay out of the illegal immigration,” he said. “We don’t want to see more death, more bodies in oceans and seas.”


CTV artcle

So, there's that.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: grainofsand

Have you heard of the beautiful camp Saudi Arabia has set up for Hajj pilgrims? It would do. But of course, the Saudis have no offered it up.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: St Udio

And of course, once all that is achieved, no one will have any standard of living at all because they are like locusts who think only to take and in so doing, they destroy.

In order to realize what they want, they need to build it for themselves.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: Thefarmer
I mean the war in Syria has been going on for 4yrs now but their only just deciding to flee?


No - only around 40% of all the migrants coming into Europe at this time come from Syria and even of those, most have been living in Turkey or Lebanon for the past 3 years!

One reason it is picking up is because the EU decided to rescue all the migrants from the Med and carry them the rest of the way, so the people smugglers now know it's a sure fire thing to get their little boats far enough out in the shipping lanes and they'll be picked up.

What the EU should be doing is taking them back to Libya or Turkey, not helping them cross!

And the other driving factor is that idiot Merkel announcing that "Europe is open" - only adding to the drive to get here.


originally posted by: Thefarmer
I was watching Sky news about an hour ago and it was live from Croatia, the camera panned in to the crowd and I spotted two Asian looking dudes in the group at the front, they were definitely not Syrians or Iraqi or any other Middle easterners, then about 2 seconds later their off screen again and they never entered the frame again the cameraman kept them just outa sight. Just made me think there is much more to this than meets the eye


Most of them aren't Syrians. Many are from Africa or the Indian sub continent.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: FamCore

How is it helping a globalist agenda? That's my question - because it appears as if this is being orchestrated in both EU and US



That's also my question and imagine there are many answers -- some more obvious than others. The global powers don't make anything happen unless it accomplishes many goals.


Collapse the system in place once and for all and people will look to you to rescue them. No one will be blaming the elites for this, and least not enough will be. Most people still think putting the elites in even more power via socialist government controls is what will save us all.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: liteonit6969


I don't buy that this number of people from many different countries have just decided to flee their war torn countries from poverty. These people have lived amongst war etc for a long time. So why now?


War is a multiphase operation. After bombing the crap out of a countries infrastructure, i.e., lights, power, water, food, communications and transport, there is a period of time where people survive on rations and emergency supplies.

Repeated cycles of bombings (three times in Iraq) and fanning of sectarian hatred, plus the injection of mass amounts of arms into the various conflicts eventually have the desired effect. Completely traumatized by the destruction of their homes, the death of their family and friends, all resources drained, with no hope but for more misery and death, they finally seek refugee elsewhere, they become refugees.


All irrelevant points - these people aren't fleeing "Western bombing".


originally posted by: intrptr
Look at the countries with the most refugees entering Europe and you begin to see the tale.

Yemen, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya. It ain't vaccines, lol.


Nice try, won't fly. Most are actually from African and Asian nations - India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh - and in fact, hardly any come from Libya! Only 40% of the total hitting Europe at the moment hails from Syria.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: amazing

People need to get it out of their heads that this is all about Syria and they are all refugees.

In fact, the majority feeling across the Med from Libya are all sub-Saharan Africans feeling nothing but their own poorly run countries. The Syrians are mostly coming in via Hungary and even there, they don't make up the majority.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
Collapse the system in place once and for all and people will look to you to rescue them. No one will be blaming the elites for this, and least not enough will be. Most people still think putting the elites in even more power via socialist government controls is what will save us all.


Could not agree more. There has been major global success in making people believe they are embracing socialism out of the goodness of their souls, when they actually have no choice in the matter. Not at this point.



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 03:13 PM
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the cause was an natural gas pipeline that would connect Qatar to europe!... assad refused it....
the result is this....

conservativepost.com...
an big trojan (isis) horse....

europe is now open for terror.... and ofcoures the brave usa wil help us after the damage is done with an second marshall plan...
good for buizznis
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posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 03:32 PM
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Well actually the United nations needs funding properly so the refugee camps are a decent place to survive and safe areas need creating wherever needed.. The European union needs to get its act together to process these refugees as soon as they have landed on Euro soils. They should not be shuffled through countries to get to other countries. What a huge mess these so called country leaders are making for themselves, the current situations need to be stabilized and quickly whatever this takes..
Get a grip and earn your salaries Governments. I feel for these poor peoples but realize they are the ones who can afford to travel as dangerous as it may be to try to reach some hope.. Of course we all would do this same thing if in a similar situation..
Your ancestors have all been in search of hope at some time in the past..



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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a reply to: skywatcher44

Thing is, they're only being "shuffled" because they refuse to claim asylum in the first safe country, instead they are playing asylum tourists.

Hungary has said they all need to register there, the same with Croatia, but they refuse and clash with police to be allowed to move on!



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 03:46 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko


...because they are like locusts who think only to take and in so doing, they destroy.


That's Matthew 9:36 - right?



posted on Sep, 17 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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a reply to: Spiramirabilis
its just an ISIS movement to infiltrate europ with his gunmans..
ofcourse they would be stopped at the borders ...
but as "refugy " they can easely come to europe..
yes every savety precaution is on PAPER well arranged...but in practice they have free playgrounds...
saw yesterday on MSM an clash with the police by refugy's...
an bloody "victum"was running with an young child in his arms.... lolllll wat an media scam...!
reminds me to the koewait hospital vid... once ...witch was directed afterall....



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