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It's so much easier to deal with these things when you convince yourself it wasn't wrong in the first place.
originally posted by: harvestdog
a reply to: Krazysh0t
They investigations are for determining illegality. I never accused them of breaking the law. In fact I conceded corporations get around they law with fancy accounting tricks all the time. That does not necessarily make it honest though.
I agree with the posters who have said Planned Parenthood should stick with their other 97% of services. Then they wouldn`t be an issue with Pro-lifers.
Many would not agree with their money going to fund deliberateending of a fetus. Some Pro-choice philanthropists could use their private funding to help the women they are so worried about. It`s not like government funds abortion anyways, right?
originally posted by: ratsinacage
a reply to: Krazysh0t
its not a political issue for me, its a moral and ethical one.....which is why i dont take my cues from the muppets on television.
Opinions can be based on all kinds of things. My retort was calling out the member who appealed to the legality of abortion as a rationale for supporting it. I very reasonable pointed out that changing your views or having your views merely as a consequence of what the state or popular opinion is makes one rather undeveloped in the philosophical, self made sense. I make myself, i dont let others dictate to me what i am or what i choose to believe.
A comprehensive global study of abortion has concluded that abortion rates are similar in countries where it is legal and those where it is not, suggesting that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it.
Moreover, the researchers found that abortion was safe in countries where it was legal, but dangerous in countries where it was outlawed and performed clandestinely. Globally, abortion accounts for 13 percent of women’s deaths during pregnancy and childbirth, and there are 31 abortions for every 100 live births, the study said.
Abortion rates are higher in countries where the procedure is illegal and nearly half of all abortions worldwide are unsafe, with the vast majority in developing countries, a new study concludes.
The U.S. abortion rate has fallen to a 30-year low, reports the Guttmacher Institute, which records the abortion rate by surveying the known abortion providers in the country. Between 2008 and 2011, the number of abortions fell to 1.1 million a year, a drop of 13 percent. Overall, abortion has been in a long-term decline for most of the time it's been legal. In 1981, 29 women per 1,000 ages 15-44 had an abortion. In 2011, it was only 17 per 1,000.
Anti-choicers should avoid congratulating themselves for the decline, however. As the Guttmacher's press release indicates, this descent happened before the most recent wave of abortion restrictions began closing clinics. Instead, it seems that women are just getting pregnant less often. Over the same period, the birth rate was also in decline, hitting a record low in 2012.
And sorry, Mike Huckabee, it's probably not because women have decided they find sexual intercourse to be debasing. In fact, it's pro-choice activists and groups like Planned Parenthood, with their tireless work at making contraception socially acceptable and affordable, that should take the credit. Contraception use, especially highly effective long-term forms like the IUD, is up. Indeed, contraception has become universal, with 99 percent of sexually active women having used contraception before and 62 percent of women reproductive age using contraception now. Also, it's not that the country is being taken over by the urbane single ladies who haunt conservative nightmares—the Sandra Flukes of the world who delay getting married and love their birth control pills. Married women are more likely to use contraception than never-married women.
If someone wants to believe something let the own it rather than basing it on what someone else says. Is that really so unreasonable? I rather think thats the more responsible and enlightened path.
She should have "Thoughts" about contraception methods before she get her eggs fertilized
Trying to paint all those who disagree as religious fanatics who think eggs are sacred, how stupid. They aren't sacred, but they are important.
The limits on when abortions could be performed was largely arbitrary and based on a very crude understanding of fetal development compared to now.
ill tell you why it doesnt matter how much we understand and why even if we learn that fetuses are dreaming and having wordless thoughts and emotions and experiencing pain it wont change anyones mind: because we want what we want, how we want it.
originally posted by: Bennyzilla
a reply to: Gryphon66
So your argument is if we can kill rape babies we can kill them all.
At least we'd be consistent right?
Also I think your view is skewed by your clear bias against religion as noone has mentioned religion or the "good book" but you. This tells me you come at this from on angle of "religion says it's bad, I hate religion, therefore abortion is good"
I don't know what religion did to you but I know it wasn't some unborn babies fault so try not to kill them for it.
Maybe you can help me understand exactly what the deciding factor was in Roe v. Wade.
3. State criminal abortion laws, like those involved here, that except from criminality only a life-saving procedure on the mother's behalf without regard to the stage of her pregnancy and other interests involved violate the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, which protects against state action the right to privacy, including a woman's qualified right to terminate her pregnancy. Though the State cannot override that right, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman's health and the potentiality of human life, each of which interests grows and reaches a "compelling" point at various stages of the woman's approach to term. Pp. 147-164.
(a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician. Pp. 163, 164.
(b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health. Pp. 163, 164.
(c) For the stage subsequent to viability the State, in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life, may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother. Pp. 163-164; 164-165.
originally posted by: harvestdog
The argument that PP get Federal funding but they don`t spend any of it on abortions is dishonest in my opinion.
It would be like me not making enough money, so I get food stamps. I buy my food with food stamps and my beer and cigs with cash. I could argue that I didn`t buy my cigs and beer with food stamps. That is dishonest I think, because I chose not buy my food myelf.
It`s hard to sperate the issues honestly.