originally posted by: introvert
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: introvert
My point have been proven for 7 pages now.
The LEFT/Democrats just don't want to own up to their racist history.
I'm not a Democrat, but I am a Leftist and I admit to this. But as I said earlier, it's more complicated than how you are presenting it. You're not
taking in to account the Dixiecrats/Democrats are now Republicans issue. The parties are not as they once were.
Are you trying to make some sort of correlation with the history of the party and the Democrats of today?
Also, there is plenty of evidence to support the claim that Republicans, or some of them, are racists today. Would you be willing to admit that, as I
admitted the racism of the past?
Ok, here's my opinion. I'm sure some will just call it dumb or "the mind of a 20-something know-it-all" or "college student idealism" but... Here is
how I see the two parties of this illustrious country of ours:
Both parties are run by people from the 60s hippie generation.
Cons: Supposedly for the environment and science yet much of the science and technology which could alleviate environmental problems is either unknown
or rejected by them as "too visionary, too dangerous, etc' ignoring the actual research which says otherwise. Things such as orbital solar arrays to
replace coal and nuclear power plants have been possible since the 1980s yet they have never entered into the environmental debate.
Al Gore and other ex-hippies probably never even heard of the concept. So while they claim to support education and technology, it has its limits and
if something does not fit in the "good tech" box or the "bad tech" box they don't know what to do with it. They also have done little or nothing to
reduce college tuition (but to be fair neither have the Republicans). Democrats also seem to have this kinda fakeness, idk what else to call it but
it's like the "#FirstWorldProblems" hashtag. (look it up if you don't know what I mean).
They will say they are all for helping starving children in Africa or Southeast Asia but at the same time they couldn't care less for the poverty
stricken in our country. The majority wouldn't be caught dead spending much of their time helping to feed homeless families or volunteering for an
organization that champions what they supposedly stand for. It's like "I voted for XYZ therefore I did my job". No you didn't. You cast a vote. The
government can't do everything!
As for those minorities whose rights they championed, often their support is superficial. They often would move away from them when they moved into
their neighborhood and schools. Hypocritical.
Also, most of the Democrats "grassroots" tactics haven't moved on since the 1960s either. Even protests are often co-opted by baby boomers trying to
relive their youth and bringing their old '60s protest songs which they swear are better than anything OT3P, Muse, RATM or Dream Theater have written.
I like Joan Baez, Marvin Gaye and the Beatles as much as anyone but come on! And no, I can't stand Bob Dylan's voice. To me I can't understand why
anyone would listen to it other than the things he was saying. Anyway enough of the negative.
Support taking care of the planet, as a rule tends to support the equal treatment of minorities of all types, supports a living wage, supports
education and science (mostly). Generally the more centrist party. Willing to compromise but its willingness to compromise is perhaps a weakness more
than a strength, at least viewed from the other side. Progressive socially. Less "Us vs Them" among the majority of centrist Democrats compared to
their centrist Republican counterparts.
Supposedly the "conservative party" but they have very little to do with traditional conservatism. They are activists.A word they detest because it
reminds them of their former '60s hippie days which for some reason or other they decided to rebel against once they got a little money in their bank
account from their middle management job in the suburban office parks.
Instead the Republican party is more of a reactionary party which uses wedge social issues often centered around a very narrow minded view of
Christianity. Other faiths need not apply. The lack of faith need not apply. Minority? Lip service at best. Real conservatives wouldn't care who
someone slept with or create fake "War on…(insert whatever core constituency or belief)" propaganda. Hate science when it disagrees with your
politics? Call "those people" names "Ivory Tower Intellectuals", "the educated elite", and so on. Hate the separation of church and state? Declare a
"War on Christmas". Hate that minorities make an issue out of not being treated by the majority? Blame them by calling yourself the victim while
denouncing them for "playing the victim card".
Projection, Deflection, better to be feared than loved. Call your opponent "irrelevant". Machiavellian.
It's no secret that people my age have been fleeing the Republican party as their attitudes towards many issues which resonate with millennials are
diametrically opposed to social progress. No dissent allowed, no compromise. No future. My own parents left the party when it became full of ditto
heads, anti-intellectualism, and even though they are devout Christians, the Republican party becoming an extension of the church was too much for
them. As they'd say Mark 12:17: "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
They also don't like the "God of the Gaps" philosophy many in the party expose. My dad is a Christian but he's also an engineer. Maybe when the
Republicans stop the coded language against minorities and LGBT people they might start to win over younger centrists conservatives but you know, a
good idea if they don't want to do that would be to just call themselves "The Grey Party" as it is becoming a far more appropriate description. The
members seem to be involved in more extremist movements than the Democrats. I don't see Democrats burning up clinics, running in and gunning down
people in the name of race or religion, forming militias etc. It the most you get out of them is a scary drum circle and bad protest songs.
Support pro-growth economics (mostly, though this too has changed to more support for the big business contributors), support for the sanctity of life
(though it often doesn't seem to matter once that life is born or if it was put on death row
So my parents myself consider ourselves independents. I became an eligible voter 2 years ago when I turned 18 and in the years since them I've voted
for Republicans, I've voted for Democrats, I've voted for a Libertarian and a Socialist. I love my city and state where that is possible for an
Both parties need to be replaced with ones which resonate with people like me. Hopefully more than just two would fill their shoes as well. 'Cause
there is nothing like filling out a ballot with only two bad choices and having to write "Micky Mouse" or "The Little Mermaid" in the "Other" space..
Basically I don't vote for parties. Nor do most of my friends. We vote based on a candidate's platform and stance on issues we care about or whose
platform resonates with us.
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