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Defeat The Right In Three Minutes

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posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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The problem I see with the OP is simple. One American should not have to "defeat" another American. This bickering back and forth is madness. Nothing gets done at core levels and just about all problems are just painted over. If problem solving were in the equation then politicians would learn they are merely "public servants" that do administration type jobs. It is much more exciting to carry a flag of leadership and if you keep kicking the can down the road then the flag bearers will think themselves leaders of crusades.

Like I say, it is madness. Compromise is the word that should be the drum beat. Hell, even the writing of the Constitution itself came down to compromise. Nobody is willing to do that because compromise means in the minds of too many one thing. Failure. American Exceptionalism will not stand for it. Again... madness.

In order to form a more perfect union indeed...




posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: TechniXcality



it's just propaganda and indoctrination


You call that propaganda and indoctrination? It's an opinion piece that lays out specific points. If you call that propaganda then I have to question if you know what propaganda is.

The root of it's premise is to expose the right wing propaganda....not disseminate it's own.



You're engaging in trivial nonsense.


You're not engaging at all. You're just dismissing this without addressing the specifics. Typical laziness.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: tinymind
a reply to: introvert

It always tickles me how so many people scream about "personel responsibility" and then get caught cheating on their spouses or being "extra friendly" with guys in a bus station. But then I guess many of them are not really much different than some televangelists I can remember.

Long on retoric but short on character.

It's as though they had never been told that all your actions have consequences.


Do as I say, not as I do.....or don't get caught....those are the best motto's for all politicians.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: Vasa Croe



Why would they use the same tactics? They don't have the same end goal.


Exactly. That is why I said there are distinct differences between the two.



Because I stab someone instead of shoot them, in order to kill them, does that make my action better?


But their goals are not the same, remember?



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:39 PM
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Freedom and accompanying personal responsibility, or pseudo-intellectual socialist rhetoric disguised as new ideas.

Hmm...which side should I choose?

You're making it pretty easy.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: Vasa Croe

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: eluryh22
This thread just makes me sad.

Not because it's bashing Republicans... but because it reminds me that there are still far too many Kool-Aid drinkers out there.

Democrats good! Republicans bad!

Republicans good! Democrats bad!


So sad.



I didn't say the democrats were good. The scope on the OP addresses the extreme right wing.

Did you people not read the source?


Neither your OP nor the source state anything about it being the extreme right wing. You stated Republican Right....as a matter of fact the only instance of the word extreme in this entire thread is the one I am quoting and the one I am using.


Ok, but where did I say the Democrats were "good"? That was the premise of the post I responded to.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: introvert

Makes you wonder why the conservative's in the GOP are winning! Sadly the conservatives help to maintain majority in the house, help to get majority in the Senate, and the leadership in both sides of congress doesn't do what they say they will do. We need to get rid of progressives and Rhino's in the White House, Senate, and House and then we can get get somewhere.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: Terminal1
You're missing his point. But don't feel bad, it's buried under a few feet of intellectual pretense.

The greedy Americans who have things need to be defeated, so the socialists can take their stuff and give it to the greedy Americans who don't have as many things.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
Freedom and accompanying personal responsibility, or pseudo-intellectual socialist rhetoric disguised as new ideas.

Hmm...which side should I choose?

You're making it pretty easy.


And you have provided a perfect example of what was highlighted by the source. "Freedom and personal responsibility".


You've heard those slogans."Less government", "personal responsibility" and lots of flag waving. They are "shorthand" for an entire worldview, and the right has been pounding their slogans out into the public domain for getting on forty years.


Thanks!



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: Vasa Croe



Why would they use the same tactics? They don't have the same end goal.


Exactly. That is why I said there are distinct differences between the two.



Because I stab someone instead of shoot them, in order to kill them, does that make my action better?


But their goals are not the same, remember?


Sorry.....guess I should have clarified. End goal being that they both want to win but with different ideals. So, end goal is the same but different. Another analogy is one has an end goal of apple pie and the other cherry pie. Both are pies.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:43 PM
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Yes propaganda and counter propaganda call it what you like. I don't accept the premise, people do not fit into left or right lines, we are not cookie cutter gingerbread people. I may agree with this on the left, or this on the right, and that with the libertarians. Ideologies have clear lines, and they put people against one another such as this OP is intended. I call that trivial and silly. No I'm not going to break down the points I reject the premise.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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originally posted by: OpenMindedRealist
a reply to: Terminal1
You're missing his point. But don't feel bad, it's buried under a few feet of intellectual pretense.

The greedy Americans who have things need to be defeated, so the socialists can take their stuff and give it to the greedy Americans who don't have as many things.


This is about language and how it is used to give the impression that they actually believe and do what they say, but in all actuality do the opposite.

It has nothing to do with socialists coming to take your stuff.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:46 PM
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originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: introvert

Yes propaganda and counter propaganda call it what you like. I don't accept the premise, people do not fit into left or right lines, we are not cookie cutter gingerbread people. I may agree with this on the left, or this on the right, and that with the libertarians. Ideologies have clear lines, and they put people against one another such as this OP is intended. I call that trivial and silly. No I'm not going to break down the points I reject the premise.


Ahh....a refreshing post of insight. Much needed. Gotta love when others try to pigeonhole everyone into one side or the other.

Nice post!



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:46 PM
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a reply to: introvert

A good hypocrisy to point out to Conservatives who complain that America isn't as great as it used to be is to show them that when America was "great" as they claim, it was because of Liberal and Socialist policies that created and expanded the Middle class to its greatest size ever. Then it wasn't until conservatives dismantled some of these protections that America slipped to the point its at now.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: introvert
You have been so brainwashed into the left/right paradigm that you don't even realize your OP is dripping with hypocritical irony.
Enjoy your division, labels and illusion of choice.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: introvert

A good hypocrisy to point out to Conservatives who complain that America isn't as great as it used to be is to show them that when America was "great" as they claim, it was because of Liberal and Socialist policies that created and expanded the Middle class to its greatest size ever. Then it wasn't until conservatives dismantled some of these protections that America slipped to the point its at now.


I guess you would also have to point out that it was liberal taxation policies that caused those conservatives to change their minds. Nobody wants what they worked hard for to be taken away....except maybe the liberal left....they seem to have no issue with it. This is one point I do agree with the right on....I want to keep the money I earn, and I work hard for it.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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No I'm not going to break down the points I reject the premise


Do you deny that the Right uses the tactics and language described? Do you deny that while they claim to support certain things, like smaller government, their actions would indicate otherwise?



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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originally posted by: eluryh22
This thread just makes me sad.

Not because it's bashing Republicans... but because it reminds me that there are still far too many Kool-Aid drinkers out there.

Democrats good! Republicans bad!

Republicans good! Democrats bad!


So sad.



There may not be much of a real difference between the parties when you get right down to it, but there is absolutely a difference between right wing conservative policy and left wing liberal policy. I dislike the modern GOP as a collective. I think far too many of them are classical liberals and have marginalized the conservative core of what Barry Goldwater built. The Democrats, meh. When I was a teenager there were conservative Democrats like Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller who made a lot of sense to me. I struggle to find any remaining in that party today...

I think your commentary is far too simplistic and doesn't grasp the reality of the present.

My stance is more along the lines of
America's traditions, fundamentals, influence, and exceptionalism: GOOD
Constant change, appeasement, national self-flagelation, and diversion towards the European model: BAD



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: introvert
You have been so brainwashed into the left/right paradigm that you don't even realize your OP is dripping with hypocritical irony.
Enjoy your division, labels and illusion of choice.


Please point-out those hypocrisies or errors. I'd like them to be exposed so we can address them. Instead of taking irrelevant pot-shots, add something constructive to the conversation.



posted on Sep, 16 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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eh at this point the outrage politics make both the right and the left into a horseshoe and i see the right adopting rules for radicals soon if they want to keep a foothold in the digital space.

it works pretty well too, far leftists sputter and flail when you use their own methods against them, i've been doing it for a while now.
but, always..always have fun doing it, it keeps you from eating your own while they burn their own house down.



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