Refugee Apocalypse

originally posted by: antar
A few women and an occasional child in ALL of the pictures?

It is about 30% women only.

However - do think: the journey includes long walks, rides on dangerous boats, then again walks and everywhere you can be mugged, plus you have to pay high prices even for small distances (a boat ride of about 30 miles costs 300-3000 USD, per PERSON!).
Wouldn't you do that rather yourself and have your wife and children follow you by airplane once you made it?

BTW - the refugees that are "distributed" into various countries (the US as well) are dieffrent from those I talked about above. Because those refugees have been cleared by the UNHCR and are living either in official refugee camps (and the camps are financed by UN money) in neighbour countries or still in safe areas in the the homeland where they wait for countries to "take" them. They are called "contingent refugees" or "registered refugees".

The ones this thread is about are the ones who try to make it on their own into a western country rather than sitting and waiting in the camps, their number is a whole lot higher than that of the registered refugees. So to speak we have "official" and "unofficial" refugees. And added to the unofficial ones are the ones who are not real geneva convention refugees but seeking "only" for a better or more prosperous life, they make about 30-50% of all those who are on the march in Europe currently and in the past months.

a reply to: shaneslaughta

They run and can be choosy where to stay, most war refugees I know stayed in the first country that was safe, not these people! Most wont get back to Syria or whatever, even if the situation is resolved, and of course not all are "rotten apples", but the ones who are, take advantage of the situation, its all a trojan horse, the thing is, what dimension will it take?

a reply to: shaneslaughta

They are running from war, famine, corrupt political systems and the likes.

Why are they running through perfectly stable Muslim countries ?????????????????

racist,xenophobic fear propaganda.

a reply to: Rocker

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

His point is accurate, but not to scare you, to a degree, the left might just join ISIS at this point.

It's not this misinformed source, it's all the collection of misinformed sources.

And the Right's solidity in detailed rue's, makes any questions that normally follow these type of statements impossible to answer.

I'm a bit of a socialist, but religious intent requires merit, and unless you're a U.S. military solider, I have found little patience for those who even believe in Jesus at this point.

Something about the solider training helps shake them from their primordial misunderstandings of the workings of the real world. And how to apply that to people. Religion makes no difference, the flaw is normally the argument structure.

In a nutshull, I would suggest that people on the Right, try to claim commutative knowledge as fact, while people on the left think critically with what's available and think for themselves and come to the same conclusions.

The reason people on the Right think they are coming to the same conclusions, is essentially because they are trained to make assumptions along the way, and even assume the left is making assumptions. They use the same planted source material and their friends all come to the same conclusions.

His complaint actually makes total sense because the left has no voice anymore over the drone of the rights Media Machine. and supposedly "the left controls the media".

"Refugee Apocalypse"...
Coming from an descendant of refugees, economic migrants, often criminal migrants and almost everyone of them was very poor, which fled from europe to find a better life somewhere else, to steal the land of the native americans.
Is talking about 250.000 refugees as the beginning of the end, living in a nation with that landsize that the US calls his own, laughable.
They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind
Here you reap your US NeoCon politics with it´s worlddomination dreams, nothing else!
And the US should in addition to that ridiculous 250.000 get 90% of the refugees that have to flee to europe from US wars, US interventions, US destabilizings. 10% we should retain because of our blind and dumb following the US "leader" and helping him with his crimes, done worldwide.
Is talking bout Jihad.
What did you know about jihad before 9/11?
Which problems you ever had with muslims before 9/11?
Since when are people uprising against the western kind of looting the world, in the dimensions after 9/11?
The same globalists, based in the US, that created 9/11, created the refugee crisis which is happening now and is targeting europe. Coincidende? Yeah, if you believe Santa Clause brings your christmas presents.
The world knew what would happen when the western world, under the leadership of the US, would take away those dictators like Gaddafi and Saddam. Themselves, the dictators(very best friends of the west till Bush) told it before, what would happen. But there was oil, and we all know, the Bush`s, the BinLadens, the US loves oil, more than freedom, democracy and all these lies.
These US based billionaires, globalists, PNACs, knew that the streams of refugees would hit europe instead the US.
But as i said, europe is not without fault with this crisis, because some of our "leaders" are following blind to US instructions, and with that they are working against their own people here. Europe is not the US, there is no need for the US warmachine in europe, there is no need for US atomic weapons on european ground, no place for NSA and Co! We don´t need a BigBrother, less than ever a US one!
We here in europe, like the rest of the world, would live more peacefull and with more freedom without US intervetions in the world, for only own purpose.
But our "leaders" are praying to the same god than your globalist, in the same choir, and this god is money. And his priests and popes are the economy, are the corporations, is the financial world with its banksters.
Does anyone really think that all this what happens now happens by accident?
In Germany "we", in reality the economy needs between 300.000 and 500.000 migrants aka new wage slaves per year, because we don´t make any kids anymore here, families became destroyed so that everyone can work for low money the whole time and has not to care anymore bout stuff like family. And because qualified specialists leave germany to countries where it is worth to work.
Does anyone really think that Merkel said by accident that everyone from everywhere can come to germany, no problem: "Wir schaffen das..."(it´s Obamas yes, we can!)?
No, she knew that there are a lot of well educated people from syria arrviving here, know they can sort out, good refugges, not good refugee... And they will do, believe me.
For the mass media blinded world she tried to play mother theresa, but what she did was the worst she could do to the people that had some hope in europe and that left everything in their destroyed and destabilzed "homelands", sold everything to pay for the life-threatening trip, just to arrive here and stand before close borders in europe, and the winter is coming.
She knew that the first people that arrive here from syria are not poor people, not non-educated people, because the poor, non-educated people don´t have the money for the trip to europe. Some criminals maybe, but criminals are everywhere, the worst we elected ourselves.
And now, that "we" left this first wave in, europe is working on closing down it´s borders, closing down "Festung Europa"
again. "We" have filled the gap, caused by aging demographics, for the first. Now "we" have to slow down and sort the "bad refugees" out, even if "Mother Angela Theresa Merkel" invited the whole world to come here.
If Mother Theresa(just an example, she was not that good as the world thinks) would have invited the whole world, just to close her door when the people following her invitation and arrive at her house?
Its all a US based globalists thing, good for the companies, the economics, the finacial world, bad for the people!
And our US agents, called leaders, are just follwing blind and dumb every order from those us billionaires that run the US. And if it is not following orders, but paying for US crimes done to the world, they are silent about it or spin it even to something good.
Dumb people now, not able to connect some dots, come out of their ratholes and show their real "german face" again, wanna be all Nazis now, the whole german speaking web is overfilled with nazi comments(writing as native speaking germans that bad in german like i do in english, as i guess). If there are pro russian or pro us comments, everybody is talking about payed trolls, but in germany nobody seems to mention that even leftists sides are overfilled now with nazi comments, i am saying payed trolls.
These dumb nazis now hate the refugees instead of the course for their fleeing.
But that is the problem with simple minded people, they hate because of jealousy, fear of loss. If that meets "educated" by MSM and TV, people would elect the next Hitler.
They don´t see that this is used to split up the people in different parties, to make them hate each other instead of the real culprits. They don´t mention that people don´t flee for fun or to get around 400 EU(social "welfare" money in germany) a month, because they have to live with that 400 Euro as a german hast to live with that 400 Euro in germany, has to pay the same prices. If you get a simple job you have to work for around 8,50 Euro in germany, if you are lucky you get some more. Worth to leave everything behind? To end up as wage slave? Ok, no bombs here, till now.
Is it worth to flee to a land, only for a better living, that can´t build enough houses for the own people?
That has no or bad payed jobs for the own people? Which is hostile to children and families, because we live in a "economy compliant democracy", as we were told by "our leaders" years ago!
Those people have to flee from war, wars that the US profits most of, as germany does too with its arms trading to the whole world.
Or from countries that had been afflicted by the US/NATO/western years ago, like those people from the balkan.
Who is coming here now, people from syria, iraq, afghanistan, kosovo, africa, do you mention something?
Gaddafi said: If you want to destabilize me, europe will be overwhelmed by floods of refuggees from africa...
So when people want to hate, why don´t they hate the cause, the real guilty ones for all that?
Because the globalists plan works, people become more and more low educated, just enough to do the simplest jobs, the rest is done by mass media, unsocial media and that raging spyPhone addiction.
So if you in the US don`t want to see the problems you have caused(like muslim refugees), you US citizens have to stop your globalists from destroying the world! As we have to do in europe too, we have to stop that US agents like Merkel!

What's 250.000 in population for over 300.000000 it's one drop In a pond. The US Wouldn't even notice the difference.
Here in Europe we've much more refugees to coop with.

Most of them ,after the country is safe will probably return to build up what's left of it.
So I say don't panic before harms done. Why would you flee to another country to fight another war? If you only want to sycure the safety of your family, most of us would seek refugee if our country got dictated by head chopping maniacs with bomb vests, and paveway dropping aipowered NATO jets surrounded by thousands of untrustworthy so called friends that do anything to survive and betray their own folk to not get killed by IS or some sick doctor that uses nerve gas as anastethics to calm the nation...


I would definitely wanna go far far away from this place...

a reply to: antar

Many families in Afghanistan and Syria and Libya etc. put all their savings together and pick one member - preferably a younger able bodied man - to go forward first. Many Syrians come from Turkey where they have been in refugee camps for years - no work permit etc.
I live in Hungary presently where there is a constant fight about this issue daily - the quasi-Fascist government pulled a high barbed wire fence on the border, declared neighboring Serbia a "safe country" and denies 100% of refugee visas even to people who arrive from totally destroyed cities - Aleppo and Kobani for example. All the while, civilians have been helping refugees with food, water, charging phones, providing medical care etc. Now the government made it a crime to assist refugees.

And yes, we did see a lot of children, and split families who got separated on the long trek from Turkey or Afghanistan. But the reason why you see more young males is simple.
They can weather the difficulties better, are probably able to find some work in the West and as quick as they can, they will try to help other family members escape the hell that is now Syria and Afghanistan.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn
1. There are more young men because if a family puts all of their savings together, they pick a young man who is able to weather a thousand-mile journey, may speak some English, has a better chance of staying alive and then helping the rest of the family from a safer country and so on. However, in Hungary we do see a lot of children and mothers too. Arguably, those who do not have anything left are staying in a refugee camp in Turkey (almost two millions from Syria alone), where they mostly have no work permits, plus there are no schools, less and less food as the months go by, and Erdogan's bureaucracy makes it doubly difficult because he want to get reelected.
2. This is a set of prejudices simply. Those who want entry to the EU are mostly those who are opposed to theocracy and would prefer to be assimilated. Many speak English and some are already learning German. Most Christians flee the ME these days so there is a much higher proportion of that religion than the statistical average. There are Yazidis, Coptic Christians, and less favored Islamic sects. Plus to a dictator anyone smarter is suspicious, so there is a high percentage of doctors, lawyers, teachers etc.
3. This is not a very intelligent question in Syria for example. How can you fight and who exactly? Join ISIS, the murderer sadists? Or Assad who is just one notch better? How do you start "fighting for your homeland" from a city where your house is bombed to ruins, there is no water and electricity, especially if you have a family? What if you are a teacher and your school is in ruins? A doctor, and your practice is over, and one mruderous gand fights five others where you used to have civilization?
4. For many, a cell phone is by prepaid cards - but it makes knowing where you are by GPS easier. Yes it's expensive, and face it, it is the middle class that is escaping - the really poor people are staying where they are, waiting for death or stagnation in a Turkish camp. I would probably rather not eat on some days if I have to cross five countries before I can be safe but try to have a cell. Additionally, many phones are able to work with wifi alone. All you need is a minimum charge on a smart phone, a free wifi outlet - or pay for time - and you can call on skype, google voice, whatsapp, viber and so on. It's common sense.
5. This happened in Hungary too. The reason they were throwing food back was that Hungarian authorities denied them entry to the EU, which is what the whole thing was for. Additionally the authorities are acting provocatively, there is no interpretation, kangaroo courts draw up refugee refusals in minutes (judging lives) operating in trucks, reporters and TV crew beaten, and everyone told to go back where they come from.

a reply to: johnwick

Yes, some do, and they also refuse to give fingerprints. Why? Because the rule says that you can be shuttled back to where you first apply within the EU. Although Germany and Austria never enforced that - the Dublin Treaty - they are scared that they will lose their only chance to stay alive.
Hungary was the first country for many - as of yesterday, the border is hermetically sealed though.
It is also a gross miscommunication on the part of EU authorities.
They should have made it clear in xerox leaflets and net sites in the languages involved - Arabic, Aramaic, Farsi, Kurdish, Pashtu etc. - that refugee applicants to the EU should keep and show their IDs, and give fingerprints AND that they will NOT be shipped back to a deteriorating dictatorship like Hungary, or even to a quasi-third world non-EU country that does not want them.

a reply to: ParanoidCovKid

So... ISIS hires Christians for example, and Kurds to ... infiltrate Europe?
Do you realize the absurdity of your statement?

Looks like migrants have broken into Croatia...

www.bbc.co.uk...

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
"Refugee Apocalypse"...
Coming from an descendant of refugees, economic migrants, often criminal migrants and almost everyone of them was very poor, which fled from europe to find a better life somewhere else, to steal the land of the native americans.
Is talking about 250.000 refugees as the beginning of the end, living in a nation with that landsize that the US calls his own, laughable.

Wow. The european settlers werent refugees. they were not fleeing a war. they werent being killed for their relgious beliefs either. ALso there was no economy to speak of at first so they were not economic migrants either. Also Mos t land was bought from the indians(which according to studies were not here first) The taking of the land occurred way after the revolutionary war btw. You are way off base. anything past th e13 colonies is in conservancy to the indians after the U S is no more it reverts to them. Its one reason they dont pay taxes as well. At least the colonist actually traded for the land they got.

Anyway the point is that we cant trust these people coming in. Not because they might be good people but because they let their religion dictate their interaction with a culture foreign to them. give one a choice ..renounce their relgion or die and they will die for it almost all of the time. Theres no room for someone unwilling to see anthing but their own culture in a multi cultural country. Illegals regardless of culture and nationality need to be kicked out though.

originally posted by: shaneslaughta

They are running from war, famine, corrupt political systems and the likes
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Sounds a lot like the folks that founded and built the USA...

Our refugee founding fathers would be hanging folks that called for a religious test for immigrants to the "free world". Contrary to the very pillars of freedom they built the country upon.

When I was an undergrad, a core course was "Western Civilization". I wonder if in a couple of decades there will be a second prerequisite follow-up course entitled "The Western De-civilization".

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: DerBeobachter
"Refugee Apocalypse"...
Coming from an descendant of refugees, economic migrants, often criminal migrants and almost everyone of them was very poor, which fled from europe to find a better life somewhere else, to steal the land of the native americans.
Is talking about 250.000 refugees as the beginning of the end, living in a nation with that landsize that the US calls his own, laughable.

Wow. The european settlers werent refugees. they were not fleeing a war. they werent being killed for their relgious beliefs either. ALso there was no economy to speak of at first so they were not economic migrants either.

Go to your local library, visit the kids section and ask the librarian for a book about Colonial era immigration.

Then maybe we can resume the conversation.

a reply to: yuppa

The most important reason of all, fake identities.

One journalist bought a fake identity for 825 dollar, all he had to do was make a phone call, 40 hours later his order (fake passport) arrived with the picture of our PM as a Syrian with the name Malek Ramadan.

a reply to: carport

Thank you. Your post was very informative. It provides me with additional questions and has not reduced my unease about the situation as it presents at the moment.

I have no problem with assisting those who are in true danger and wish help. I am doing quite a bit of research on my own and I what I have found is full of huge gaps that brings me to believe that there are many players in this game, and none of them care about the host citizens; their needs are being ignored. Why are we then to trust them to be honest about why they are concerned about people from an area that they have been painting as hostile, and they have been supposedly protecting us from for the last 20 years +.

Many of ones presenting as refugees, don't even trust their host countries enough to accept the food they are providing because they are infidels and their religion teaches them that infidels are their enemy, and it is their sworn obligation to convert or destroy. Yet, they are supposed to be starving.

While I truly believe there are true refugees hidden among the masses, I also believe that more is going on here than is being told.

a reply to: hutch622

can only star your post once. That is a good question however those countries are not accepting them. It is a horrible situation for sure and the war mongers slipping through taking the spots that should be for the most vulnerable are devious and questionable to say the least!

As for the strong men running first to make a better life for their families, understandable however if my family runs, we would run together. I could not leave behind my family, the vulnerable ones, I would have to chose to stay to protect them.

Back during the deep depression my Grandpa did take off as the oldest of 10 children, he worked the CCC camps, the railroads, anything to make $ which he sent home to his parents. This never changed for him and he always took care of his younger siblings and Mom. So that does happen but you can bet your bottom dollar he was respectful, of high moral standing and a gentleman not an angry mob mentality.

a reply to: DerBeobachter

YOU have NO idea who my family is, what they stood for and continue to stand for.