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You ARE Anti-Semetic/ Antieverything if you Support ZIonism

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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 08:22 AM
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originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: johnwick
a reply to: SoulSurfer

Lol just sounds to me like you are rebranding words and themes and changing definitions of words to justify your hatred of jews


That is exactly what Jew haters do, claim that they are not anti Jew, just anti Zionism!

www.urbandictionary.com...


Anti-Zionism "Anti-Zionism" is a sub-set of "Anti-Semitism" (or "Jew hatred") in that Anti-Zionism seeks to deny the Jewish people but only the Jewish people, the natural right of national self-determination in their ancestral homeland. Rather than simply being opposed to all Jewish activities, Anti-Zionists seek to suppress political expression by Jews. In recent years, "Zionist" is used as a politically acceptable slur directed to a Jewish person. Of course we all know that when they say, "Anti-Zionist", it really means "Anti-Jew. "Anti-Zionism" is simply cover for "Palestinianism."



what a stockpile of BS.

this isn't denying Jewish people their right of national self-determination, and claiming anti-zionism is a subset of anti-semitism is a pure propaganda.

zionism is a political movement, not a religion, and it's not limited to Jews. how aren't you calling anti-zionists simply racists, just anti-semitists? Jews aren't more important than other people. zionists do love their victim mentality though.

Jews can live peacefully wherever they want. quite a number of them even lives in Iran, a country that is heavily anti-zionist. they're not zionists though, they're simply Jews. peaceful Jews.

Jews are a target of quite a lot of bad propaganda. it's not their fault. it's not anti-zionists fault either. zionists are to blame, because - sadly - they're the most vocal group of Jews, and they're the ones in power.

think about it this way: anti-zionists have nothing against Jews - they're just another nation that deserves to live in peace. zionists don't want peace though, and the fact that they're mostly Jews, doesn't matter for anti-zionists.

it does matter for zionists though, because they love their anti-semitism card.




posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 08:24 AM
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Wrong thread.
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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 08:29 AM
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originally posted by: 3n19m470
Did you draw that female baphomet?


Nope, I found it while searching connections with Isis, bastet etc, I wanted to get to the bottom as to what the all seeing eye represented. However it lead me into uncharted territory with new connections and information that I did not notice before. It also lead me to a quote in the bible which served as a real eye opener for me.




Revelation 2:20
But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols.


So i asked, "WHO or WHAT is Jezebel?" The answer to the question, connected everything. That is why i ask you to see for yourselves and search the topic. But search thoroughly and dig deeper than you ever have.

To me that drawing, felt like the more accurate description of what the baphomet is. But the symbolism involved with it, are endless and nearly everywhere, if you really take a look.

But she is the Scarlet/Harlot very much described to appear in end times. Assuming the prophecies are true and we happen to be around that time.


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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 08:37 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: johnwick

You did not read the post, it is not anti jew. How can Jewish Rabbis who speak the truth about zionism be antithemselves?

The same way American mainstream media holds up patriotism and American ideals and then calls for Humanitarian Intervention (read that conquering) of nations.

Its dual natured and right in our face hypocrisy. Sorry, overall can't believe this about any nation waging aggressive war and slaughtering innocents in the name of Humanity.

Both the US and Israel do it with seeming impunity. Let me know when theres an uprising in Israel against the government. Not just protest like here in the US, but actual uprising.


Quoted for truth..... Just saying!!

Won't be popular. Nether will this.

If I pay my tax, (am) I "supporting" Zionism?


technically, your money goes back into the hands of people who use that money and circulate it into creating wars, death, and destruction. However, since they can print trillions out of thin air, perhaps your support isn't really needed.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 08:43 AM
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originally posted by: SoulSurfer

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: johnwick

You did not read the post, it is not anti jew. How can Jewish Rabbis who speak the truth about zionism be antithemselves?

The same way American mainstream media holds up patriotism and American ideals and then calls for Humanitarian Intervention (read that conquering) of nations.

Its dual natured and right in our face hypocrisy. Sorry, overall can't believe this about any nation waging aggressive war and slaughtering innocents in the name of Humanity.

Both the US and Israel do it with seeming impunity. Let me know when theres an uprising in Israel against the government. Not just protest like here in the US, but actual uprising.


Quoted for truth..... Just saying!!

Won't be popular. Nether will this.

If I pay my tax, (am) I "supporting" Zionism?


technically, your money goes back into the hands of people who use that money and circulate it into creating wars, death, and destruction. However, since they can print trillions out of thin air, perhaps your support isn't really needed.

I justify it like everyone else, I pretend my contributions are only used for positive things like fixing potholes.


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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 09:55 AM
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a reply to: intrptr




I justify it like everyone else, I pretend my contributions are only used for positive things like fixing potholes.


Do you really feel okay with just looking the other way? I do understand why you would do this, and I know noone really like to bear the burden of knowing something, and the feeling of helplessness that accompanies it. But if we don't voice ourselves in the here and now, wouldn't we be also preventing future generations from being able to voice themselves?

I guess I can't complain because I did do the same for awhile. But at some point I realized, I just cannot live a lie, at least me personally, I was selfish and afraid to speak up, because I did not want to handle the negative comments and possible hatred my way. The only thing that keeps me doing this, is when I see my nephew and neice, and the future they will inherit.

The way things are heading, is there even a future to inherit? Things like this keeps me awake at night. But i honestly do not blame you. It can be torturous, and im telling you this as an empath. Im very sensitive, so it takes alot of strength to be in the eye of the storm.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 09:56 AM
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I don't think they worship Ba'al specifically, they worship themselves as better than everyone else. Ba'al can be a representative of any deity that requires your worship or energy. Ba'al is Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Zeus, Odin, El, etc. He is all of them.

When you worship something that lies outside of your self, you are worshipping a graven image and idol. When you worship these idols, you worship those in power because they are the ones who created these deities in order to control you.

Jezebel and Ahab are but one example of this as well. Herod being enticed to kill John by Salome's dance is another example of this thread of mythology. Men being enticed by women in religious stories usually points toward corruption of the truth.
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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:12 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: johnwick

You did not read the post, it is not anti jew. How can Jewish Rabbis who speak the truth about zionism be antithemselves?

The same way American mainstream media holds up patriotism and American ideals and then calls for Humanitarian Intervention (read that conquering) of nations.

Its dual natured and right in our face hypocrisy. Sorry, overall can't believe this about any nation waging aggressive war and slaughtering innocents in the name of Humanity.

Both the US and Israel do it with seeming impunity. Let me know when theres an uprising in Israel against the government. Not just protest like here in the US, but actual uprising.


Quoted for truth..... Just saying!!

Won't be popular. Nether will this.

If I pay my tax, (am) I "supporting" Zionism?


lol, neither of us cares about popularity!



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:14 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: SoulSurfer

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
a reply to: johnwick

You did not read the post, it is not anti jew. How can Jewish Rabbis who speak the truth about zionism be antithemselves?

The same way American mainstream media holds up patriotism and American ideals and then calls for Humanitarian Intervention (read that conquering) of nations.

Its dual natured and right in our face hypocrisy. Sorry, overall can't believe this about any nation waging aggressive war and slaughtering innocents in the name of Humanity.

Both the US and Israel do it with seeming impunity. Let me know when theres an uprising in Israel against the government. Not just protest like here in the US, but actual uprising.


Quoted for truth..... Just saying!!

Won't be popular. Nether will this.

If I pay my tax, (am) I "supporting" Zionism?


technically, your money goes back into the hands of people who use that money and circulate it into creating wars, death, and destruction. However, since they can print trillions out of thin air, perhaps your support isn't really needed.

I justify it like everyone else, I pretend my contributions are only used for positive things like fixing potholes.



lol me too!


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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:20 AM
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originally posted by: johnwick
lol, neither of us cares about popularity!


More and more lies!
Most of your post are you trying to appeal to the majority of conservatives and bigots.

You should be ashamed!



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

That's also the hidden agenda. "Self worship" which ties in with narcissism. you see this openly among the new age movement, which is heavily promoted by oprah and deepak chopra. (False prophets). The question here is to ask why?

The new age however also promotes "ashtar ashataroth command, astarte, Inana". Even with their self worship teachings they still reffer to these "beings" which, when you do research, they seem to have the same characteristics.

Just pointing out the connection and the leads.

To those with eyes that see, keep the faith.

a reply to: theMediator

Let him make a mockery of himself, I was baited into reaction earlier, but I realized it is better not to feed it.
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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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This seems to me like a hate justification thread and it is tops on ATS right now. I am not sure how I feel about this right now.




posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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All religious Jews know that their time has not yet come and the promised land was not given to them by God but by man. Their religion teaches that they are exiled until the coming of the messianic era and specifically that they are forbidden from having their own country until that era occurs.

Jewish protests and rallies will not be covered by most media as most media is owned/controlled by zionists who are hardly likely to give airtime to a group protesting against them.

Many Jews & Rabbis have stated over the years that Israel should not exist. If Israel was the promised land promised by God, do you think all the scattered Jews of the world would hesitate to go there?



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:53 AM
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a reply to: SoulSurfer

I don't think it's really self-worship they (New Age) teach but self-love. Love your neighbor as yourself, if you don't love yourself then you cannot love your neighbor either.

This is why Abrahamic religions promote original sin and inherent evil within us, it teaches us not to love ourselves and thus not love our neighbor like we should.

I think loving yourself is a form of worship in a way, but there is negative worship and positive worship of self. One excludes everyone else, the other includes everyone else.

In my opinion.
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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:58 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

It is not a justification for hate. Every group has bad apples, just like the united states has bad apples.

Allow me to give you an example, to explain this point. (hopefully with more clarity, okay?)
If a man from the U.S murders millions of people; are the rest of U.S as bad as the man leading this crusade of murder ?

Another example:, you make a logo for your company,( following me? its an example), and your company is about "X". I then come, and hijack your logo, and claim "Y". Of course, you will be annoyed, in fact I bet you would sue me, for doing such a thing. I did plagiarize your logo, and misrepresented it, which ended up giving bad rep to your company because i misrepresented your logo and company and stole it for my own benefit. This is also called fraud.

That is basically what happened with the Jewish people. They were hijacked, in the same way we were hijacked here in the U.S.


if anything I am pointing the finger at the 1% (metaphorically speaking) and defending those who are really Jewish. This also corrects people who think the Jewish people are as bad as Zionists. It is simply wrong to blame the Jewish for crimes committed by the very few who use their banners for their own gain and profit. Especially at the expense of our freedoms.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: SoulSurfer

Your incoherent, superstitious rant does not merit response, but I'll bump it so other members can see what your agenda is.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:48 PM
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From the past to the present



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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From a secular point-of-view :




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