Sanders: America Was Founded On ‘Racist Principles. That’s A Fact.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

You make poor decisions in your bank or company don't come demanding me to bail you out.

I agree with this, and I will extend the same reasoning with regards to 'we the people'.

The same thing should apply.

If business owners shouldn't be bailed out. Neither should the people.

All things being EQUAL.

Of course Sanders, and his supporters don't like the thought of that 'equality' very much.

originally posted by: neo96
Basically because I haven't heard one original thought from Sanders other than regurgitating the same thing his predecessor did to get in to office, and other 'progressives'.

Well, go get your ears checked or something. Because while his predecessor was voting for Bail Outs, War and Extending Tax cuts, He was voting against those things.

While Obama was killing off the middle class and providing economic recovery for the wealthy Sanders was pointing out the vast difference in wealth distribution.

While Hillary is out sucking up to big money funding he's out talking to real people about real issues that matter and refusing SuperPAC's and the Wealthy elite who've been buying up our Government.

He's different in so many ways that if you don't see it or hear it then I must conclude you are blind and deaf. Go get some glasses and a hearing aid maybe.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: neo96

Wow, that was an exaggeration at best and just deceptive and misleading at worst.

You think that maybe he was talking about the fact that some of the founders were Slave Owners??? That black slaves were literally considered to be 3/5 of a person and that was only when they weren't simply considered property and not considered to be people at all???

Also, he's not a hypocrite for going after the .01% for tax fraud either. That isn't discrimination, it's called going after criminals for tax evasion.

I know you hate and fear Sanders and you love more than anything to defend rich criminals and cheats but your case here is incredibly weak and deceptive.

I like how you also used it as a way to attack progressives though. Typical and redundant as that tactic is coming from you, I always love when you use it.

If that was what he meant, I see no reason for him not to say that the country was founded by slave owners. Frankly, it's got more bang for every race-baiting buck that way rather than impugning the founding "principles" as racist.

It seems more likely that he is stoking racial animus in the hopes that it will culminate in class warfare.

In other words, he's a "uniter".

www.archives.gov...

Back to the topic.

Anyone care to point out where in their list of grievances the colonials wanted to own the 'blacks'.

What's more :

In the American Revolution, gaining freedom was the strongest motive for black slaves who joined the Patriot or British armies. The free black may have been drafted or enlisted at his own volition—Nash says they enlisted at higher rates than did whites.[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

Apparently the AA's fighting for American Independence were 'racist' according to Sanders.

Or was it the AA's fighting for the British?

Gasp.

REAL American history mangled by American politics.

a reply to: greencmp

Really?? Because to me it seems more likely that he's just addressing the problem of racism just like the question that was asked of him in the interview.

You realize he's been fighting for Civil Rights Issues his whole life right??? That he marched with MLK back in his younger days. That his whole career as a politician has been about fighting for the poor and middle class. He fights for the people. Not the Corporations or the Elite because they don't need any more help. They're already so far ahead the last thing they need is more help.

It's not hard to figure out. Just watch him speak. Go research his record. It all speaks for itself. There is no mystery here guys. It's not some secret agenda you have to decode. Just do the research and it's right there.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: greencmp

Really?? Because to me it seems more likely that he's just addressing the problem of racism just like the question that was asked of him in the interview.

You realize he's been fighting for Civil Rights Issues his whole life right??? That he marched with MLK back in his younger days. That his whole career as a politician has been about fighting for the poor and middle class. He fights for the people. Not the Corporations or the Elite because they don't need any more help. They're already so far ahead the last thing they need is more help.

It's not hard to figure out. Just watch him speak. Go research his record. It all speaks for itself. There is no mystery here guys. It's not some secret agenda you have to decode. Just do the research and it's right there.

I don't think attempting to sully the principles of our constitution is addressing any problems in our society today.

I bring up the class warfare thing because this really is straight out of the Marxist playbook to instigate class warfare. Race warfare is high on the list of catalysts for class warfare.

The goal of socialists is a classless society which can only be achieved by the elimination of classes if you get my drift.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
BS, it is all documented, we called Indians savages put bounties on their heads and treated them as sub human.
Then stole their line and said we were just fulfilling a divine destiny.
Stick your head in the sand if you want but the truth doesn't changed.

What was the state of society in 1776 and the typical accepted behavior? The founders of America and the constitution wanted to break from England and the king and stop living like subjects. At that time, that was progressive thinking and was a step to creating the society we have today. People 250 years ago weren't as enlightened as we are today. Imagine what people will be saying of us in 250 years! We'll likely still be viewed as primitive barbarians. We ought to be thinking about how to progress as humans. We can't change the past. Fix the future.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: greencmp

You realize he's been fighting for Civil Rights Issues his whole life right??? That he marched with MLK back in his younger days. That his whole career as a politician has been about fighting for the poor and middle class. He fights for the people. Not the Corporations or the Elite because they don't need any more help. They're already so far ahead the last thing they need is more help.

Wow, didn't know that about Sanders, that's one hell of fighter, man I truly think Sanders is the hope for the American people, he maybe old but he was part of revolution that changed the history of America.

A guy with his wisdom and will to fight, given the power can make the difference.

Peace

originally posted by: greencmp
I don't think attempting to sully the principals of our constitution is addressing any problems in our society today.

You're going to have to explain what it is you're talking about because I don't know what you're talking about. How is Sanders "Sullying the principals of our Constitution" by answering a question about racism???

I bring up the class warfare thing because this really is straight out of the Marxist playbook to instigate class warfare. Race warfare is high on the list of catalysts for class warfare.

Well, that's neat and interesting but totally insignificant in this case because he's not instigating class warfare. He was asked his opinion about racism in an interview and he was giving his thoughts on the topic. It's really pretty simple if you aren't delusional or paranoid.

The goal is a classless society which can only be achieved by the elimination of classes if you get my drift.

I get your drift, but I think you're on a totally different stream altogether. You seem to be drifting down the river of wild speculation.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: greencmp

Really?? Because to me it seems more likely that he's just addressing the problem of racism just like the question that was asked of him in the interview.

You realize he's been fighting for Civil Rights Issues his whole life right??? That he marched with MLK back in his younger days. That his whole career as a politician has been about fighting for the poor and middle class. He fights for the people. Not the Corporations or the Elite because they don't need any more help. They're already so far ahead the last thing they need is more help.

It's not hard to figure out. Just watch him speak. Go research his record. It all speaks for itself. There is no mystery here guys. It's not some secret agenda you have to decode. Just do the research and it's right there.

As I stated above, Sanders or no one else in the we must fight racism fight will do this one thing. Provide people with simple success indicators that we can measure progress against and know when the issue is resolved. That never happens and it's by design. Until Sanders does that he is just like the other clowns in the racism game. And until we are presented with indicators it is a game. Granted a very emotional one, but a game none the less.

I really don't mind if someone like Sanders feels there is racism. Give us indicators. We need to graduated this percentage of minororities from college, increase high school assessment passing percentages by this number, decrease prison population by this number. Increase representation in all job fields and politics by this much. You lay out defined objectives that can be measured then you craft your goals to meet those objectives.

Until he does that he is a clown on this topic. To be honest I enjoyed and gave him credit for some of what he says especially pertaining to bailouts. When he plays the racism is an issue but provides no way to measure success and can be resolved. Your no better than the others pulling this crap and took a few steps down. You are joining the complain at all cost but never solve crowd. I can't respect that.

One in four women will be a victim of sexual assault in her lifetime and women across the globe are brutalized every second of every day. But we still put the issue of racism on the highest pedestal.

Not only that, but after the 7 years Obama has had to have a "national conversation" about race and racism, we still cannot speak openly and honestly about race issues as a nation lest we get a finger pointed in our faces and are named in shamed for moving the conversation in any direction. The conversation needs to move beyond the argument that racism is real and white people must be made to suffer for that somehow. It needs to move on to real solutions that call on every race and nationality in the U.S. to lend a hand -- including the black community.

Why is it that I can have this conversation with every black person in my life, but we cannot have it as a nation? It's childish and it feels politically exploitative BECAUSE IT IS.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: greencmp
I don't think attempting to sully the principals of our constitution is addressing any problems in our society today.

You're going to have to explain what it is you're talking about because I don't know what you're talking about. How is Sanders "Sullying the principals of our Constitution" by answering a question about racism???

I bring up the class warfare thing because this really is straight out of the Marxist playbook to instigate class warfare. Race warfare is high on the list of catalysts for class warfare.

Well, that's neat and interesting but totally insignificant in this case because he's not instigating class warfare. He was asked his opinion about racism in an interview and he was giving his thoughts on the topic. It's really pretty simple if you aren't delusional or paranoid.

The goal is a classless society which can only be achieved by the elimination of classes if you get my drift.

I get your drift, but I think you're on a totally different stream altogether. You seem to be drifting down the river of wild speculation.

I am reading into his statements, no doubt.

Where he says...

And I will also say, that as a nation — the truth is a nation that in many ways was created, and I’m sorry to have to say this from way back, on racist principles, that’s a fact.

He is doing nothing other than clearly stating the he believes (but states as fact) that the principles of our nation's creation (a convenient way to gloss over the fact that we are a federated republic) are racist and, therefore, repugnant.

a reply to: Reallyfolks

But he's doing those things that you just mentioned. Plus, he was asked his opinion about Racism in an interview. I posted the video of him talking. That partial quote in the OP has no context. Watch the video. He's commenting on a question about racism that he was asked directly. He didn't just bring this up out of nowhere.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Reallyfolks

But he's doing those things that you just mentioned. Plus, he was asked his opinion about Racism in an interview. I posted the video of him talking. That partial quote in the OP has no context. Watch the video. He's commenting on a question about racism that he was asked directly. He didn't just bring this up out of nowhere.

Layout Sanders success inicators to solve racism. Layout the objectives to be met and the goals to meet those objectives. I'm not talking about more college, more jobs, less prison population because plus or minus one is more or less and not a solution. I want to see specific numbers, that can easily be measured with specific numbers to say when it's resolved.

Otherwise it's simply feel good more or less based statements designed to invoke emotions, can easily be agreed with, but can never be solved or defined.

I'll take a link as well.

Edit: even things defined like back in the day. Minorities must be able to vote, segregation must be eliminated. Minorities can sit anywhere they want. These even without specific numbers were set and defined and everyone understood when the problem was resolved. It's all very ambiguous today and it's done on purpose.

If you want to assert that America was founded on racist values thats fine. Just be sure you identify who the racists were. The very first slave owner in the US was a black man. Anthony Johnson sued for ownership of a slave and was granted lifelong ownership of John Casor, another black man.

Prior to being a landowner/slave owner Johnson was an indentured servant. There is a huge difference between being a slave and being an indentured servant. Most notably is the idea of racism. Indentured servitude was not racist. At least not in the modern interpretation. By far most indentured servants were Irish, English, German, and Scottish, rather than African. And since the first slave owner was a black man, and a great portion of the black people sold into slavery were betrayed by their own, it is only in the modern interpretation that slavery is viewed as a white against black racist act.

At present slavery still exists. Many African and middle eastern nations allow slavery to continue to this day. Although some take a philosophical stance intimating that we are all 'slaves' to corporate America, and so on, it is considered a rude and insensitive remark to make in the light of true slavery and is generally not condoned.

America was not founded on racist principles or beliefs. It was founded on the desire to be free of tyranny and without representation. The concept of all men being created equal does not imply that all men are equally skilled, equally wealthy, equally talented, or anything else. It means all men are equal in the eyes of God and all are entitled to the same opportunities for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Every Irish, English, German Scottish and African indentured servant was entitled to the same opportunities as Anthony Johnson. It wasn't until the courts got involved that liberty became endangered, then as it is now.

Oh yeah Sanders is a real 'winner'.

Lets take a look at a few of his 'positions'.

Voted NO on restricting UN funding for population control policies.

Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)

Break up major Wall Street firms. (Mar 2015)

Worker-owned cooperatives instead of corporate tax breaks. (Mar 2015

Bwahaaaa that is what stock ownership is. Ya know where the middle class has trillions in their 401ks, and IRA's.

Americans want change: corporations get rich & people don't. (Sep 2014)

LOL people don't get rich eh. What a blooming joke.

Cap deductions for CEO pay; count perks as profit. (Jun 1997)

RIght in Sanders delusional little world government employees would make more than them evil 'ceos'.

Rated 14% by the US COC, indicating an anti-business voting record. (Dec 2003)

Anti business record eh.

Sanders would be a disaster for the middle class.

www.ontheissues.org...

Imagine that. A thread created under the premise of a statement taken without full context and it evolved enough to show that it was not created to address the actual issue of what was said, but simply discredit the person whom made the statement.

This isn't about addressing the underlying issue. It's about demonizing and discrediting Sanders because some people just don't like him, or perhaps they feel he is a threat on this election.

Regardless the motive, some people are simple hateful and have no integrity.

So much hatred.

a reply to: neo96

I don't know when it started, but as I look at seatbelt laws, I realize that government has been taking away our freedoms bit by bit. Sanders is just another government shill looking to remove more freedom and place control in the hands of government.
Now before anyone gets upset, about every republican can be included in that category as well.

a reply to: introvert

Oh now the 'context' was provided

Right here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

OK...Truth = Hate.

Got it.