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Sanders: America Was Founded On ‘Racist Principles. That’s A Fact.

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posted on Sep, 14 2015 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Instead of what mankind has been doing for millennia'. ADAPTING.
Yeah adapting to BS is much better than fighting it.


Your way of thinking is the reason why we have a sh***y world today.




posted on Sep, 14 2015 @ 11:59 PM
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Neat fact: Thomas Jefferson tried to include slavery as an injustice in the Declaration of Independence. Except representatives from South Carolina threw a hissy fit so he had to remove it.

There were many founders that opposed the institution of slavery in the new USA. Unfortunately it had to be a debate settled at a later time to unite the colonies against Britain.

Yes the United States has been plagued by racism since it's inception. That's not different than any other country though.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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a reply to: theMediator




Your way of thinking is the reason why we have a sh***y world today.


Here is a neat little factoid.

People like me don't run this country.

People like Sanders are the ones that have been running it for the last 7 years.

But hey now it's my 'fault'.

Wowzers.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:02 AM
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America can never see equality with such arrogance displayed in 11 pages of pointless bashing, that started off with an ill informed opening post.

I haven't seen the OP suggested any potential Presidential candidates he has in mind, and or what good points can be taken out of this discussion.

If anything, this thread belongs in the rant section.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:03 AM
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a reply to: asmall89




Neat fact: Thomas Jefferson tried to include slavery as an injustice in the Declaration of Independence.


Jefferson also abolished internal taxation.

Gasp something the progressives hero Sanders would never do.

And Jefferson was 'bad'!



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:05 AM
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originally posted by: InnerPeace2012
America can never see equality with such arrogance displayed in 11 pages of pointless bashing, that started off with an ill informed opening post.

I haven't seen the OP suggested any potential Presidential candidates he has in mind, and or what good points can be taken out of this discussion.

If anything, this thread belongs in the rant section.


All I have seen is arrogance from Sanders supporters.

Haven't seen any presidential candidates because I don't support any oF them.

But who cares.

Informed people don't support POLITICIAN'S.
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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:37 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
And Jefferson was 'bad'!

If that is what you took away from that post then you need to read things a little slower.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 12:58 AM
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originally posted by: daskakik

originally posted by: neo96
And Jefferson was 'bad'!

If that is what you took away from that post then you need to read things a little slower.


I do so love the condescension there.

Thought that was what Sanders said.

After all this nation was created on 'racist' principles.

Jefferson wasn't a 'creator' ?



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 01:04 AM
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a reply to: neo96

I think every country that has ever existed has had some racist principles at their root. It doesn't matter how it begins, we can't go back and change the past. We can correct the mistakes and move on. Some however don't want to move ahead. They have built an industry, if you will, on keeping the wounds open and allowing it to fester.
None of my ancestors were slave owners and I have a mixed heritage, so why should I be made to feel guilty for something I am not responsible for? Keep your eyes on the ones who stand to benefit from racial tension and follow the money...you will then be able to ascertain their true motives.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 01:13 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
Jefferson wasn't a 'creator' ?

The post referred to something good that Jefferson tried to include in the Declaration of Independence. It didn't say that Jefferson was "bad".

How you came away with that is probably the same reason why this thread even exists.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 01:14 AM
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originally posted by: InnerPeace2012
I haven't seen the OP suggested any potential Presidential candidates he has in mind, and or what good points can be taken out of this discussion.


That's the really great part about this whole thread; Sanders (an irreligious, democratic socialist) went to Falwell's Liberty University. Not to contrast himself, specifically, but to give a speech about what his listeners and himself might have in common. The over-arching point of his entire speech was that, but neo96 can only seem to focus on this comment.

This thread is right where it needs to be, US Political Madness. Not for what Sanders said, but for what the OP said.
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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 01:25 AM
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originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012
America can never see equality with such arrogance displayed in 11 pages of pointless bashing, that started off with an ill informed opening post.

I haven't seen the OP suggested any potential Presidential candidates he has in mind, and or what good points can be taken out of this discussion.

If anything, this thread belongs in the rant section.


All I have seen is arrogance from Sanders supporters.

Haven't seen any presidential candidates because I don't support any oF them.

But who cares.

Informed people don't support POLITICIAN'S.


Well, now that you've cleared yours stance I actually agree on the "who cares about politicians" stance, but what do you suppose needs to be done to change the current system?

If anything, I think Sanders has a solid proven moral character and principles, but I also understand that it may not always have the best policies to please all. No one persons just can't make the difference on their own for a country as big and complex as US in terms of it's politics and all influential military industrial complex.

I don't have the answers for what's best for all, but I do know that no wicked man should be given the power to rule over the people.

Peace
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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 01:35 AM
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I am stunned that anyone with a knowledge of the history of America can deny this. Sure the country was founded on a noble cause, but the genoicide of the Native Americans pretty much throws that nobility out of the window.

Maybe things would be worse if America wasn't created, maybe they wouldn't, it doesn't matter anymore because here we are.

Oh, and then there's that whole slavery thing. "All men are created equal." The BS and hypocrisy meters are off the charts... Not just hypocritical, but stunningly hypocritical.
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posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 03:52 AM
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i don't think anyone should feel "responsible" or "guilty" for things that happened institutionally up until the 1960's but i do think we should all look back at our history and admit that was some shady #### our country did. just like everything there is good and bad i just don't think we should deny our shady history, invading and taking over the u.s from the native americans, slavery, japanese internment camps, irish slaves, mass deportations of mexican americans in the 1930's, colored only water fountains, segregation, rosa parks in the back of the bus etc etc etc. it doesn't matter what color you are we should all acknowledge that those things in our past were wrong.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 06:05 AM
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originally posted by: conspiracy nut
kudos to sanders for saying what should have been said along time ago, america needs to stop living in denial of its racist past, we need to acknowledge the wrongs and move on!!!


If moving on was as simple as everyone acknowledging it in the past it would be party time. But everyone knows it's simply not the truth. Sounds good, not reality. It's no different from many topics these days, acknowledge any problem a large segment will easily try to then state responsibility even if you had nothing to do with it. Doubt me? Check out any number of articles on ats at the moment about Syrian refugees. No one is refusing to acknowledge slavery happened though so could you specify exactly what type of acknowledgement you are looking for?



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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I love how people call America racist and use the native Americans as an example.
Lets look for a minute at history. When a stronger force meets a weaker one, the weaker one is either exterminated or assimilated and their way of life is completely changed.
The Roman conquest of the 'barbarian hordes' of Gual, and the British isles. The Persian empire. The crusades into the holy Land. The crusades into pagan Lithuania. The entirety of the British empire. The french in Vietnam. The Spanish conquistadors.

Tell me again how America is the only country founded on racisim?



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Are you a slave if you get paid for what you do?

Lets keep the context here.

You can ignore the historical facts about our nation if you want.
If it wasn't about race and it was just about profit is that why for almost 100 years after slaves were free'd they were STILL treated as not equal?
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Already pointed out in the thread if you were following along.

Picking up my ball and going home.
Have a good one.


I am keeping the context. In fact, of the two of us, I am the only one keeping the context.

The OP states very clearly, "...this nation was truly founded on 'racist' principles." The problem is, when the nation was founded there was no racism and slavery, beginning as indentured servants, were mostly white. That is not ignoring historical fact. It IS historical fact. The first slave owner was black. Black people sold their own into slavery. None of that is racist.

As you pointed out, one hundred years after slaves were freed they were still treated as not equal. The OP isn't about what happened more than 200 years after the nation was founded. Please stay on topic. It was about the principles on which the nation was founded. And racism was not one of them.

If you want to examine the condition of racism 100 years after the slaves were freed, consider this. Irish, German, English, Scottish, and others, were all indentured servants along with black people. And when slavery began they were all in the same position. 100 years later it is only black people complaining about it, and only in this country. If you go to Canada there are black people everywhere. They are just like everyone else. Act the same, speak the same, dress the same, and treated the same. Then you come back here and they act like fools, dress like fools, talk like fools, and expect to get the highest paying jobs and treated with respect they very obviously do not show to others. (not a blanket statement, only observations of many individuals so don't go off on a rant about stereotyping all black people)

200 years after the fact maybe they aren't treated equally. But that is not what this thread is about. You cant use how they are treated today as an example of what our founding fathers did. It simply doesn't work that way.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 09:09 AM
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a reply to: neo96

It's true. When this nation was founded, the only people with "equal" rights were rich, landowning, white men. Everyone else could go kick rocks for all the government cared.



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:05 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
People like me don't run this country.

But hey now it's my 'fault'.


So now your thinking like a liberal?



posted on Sep, 15 2015 @ 10:54 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: neo96

It's true. When this nation was founded, the only people with "equal" rights were rich, landowning, white men. Everyone else could go kick rocks for all the government cared.


Nothing has changed.

Who do you think the Electoral College is made up of ?

They are rich landowning white men.



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