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Kentucky: Oath Keepers Say They Will Protect Kim Davis From The Law

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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 05:53 AM
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Hello again ATS!

As the United States continues to unravel and go totally insane, and just when you thought you had seen it all - it suddenly gets worse. Much worse.

Kim Davis, the hypocritical religiously fanatical Kentucky County Clerk who shamelessly violated her Oath of Office, the Constitution of the United States, the mandate of her own Bible, the trust of her constituency, the law of our beloved land and every last shred of decency on all levels... is apparently about to get her own private army. An army of right wing fanatics who are coming to protect her from the law. Coming, heavily armed, to empower her to further engage in her Theocratic molestation of the Civil Rights of American citizens.

The Right Wing militant group called The Oathkeepers, with many members who are active duty or former military and law enforcement personnel, are coming to protect and defend Kim Davis from the law itself. A group that purports to exist solely to uphold the Constitution of the United States - taking up arms and flocking to defy it

I am quite frankly and deeply disgusted. In fact I am mad as Hell.


The Oath Keepers, the anti-government “Patriot” group... is now offering anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis a “security detail” to protect her from further arrest if she continues to defy the Supreme Court’s marriage equality ruling.

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes announced yesterday that he had reached out to Davis’ lawyers at Liberty Counsel to offer the protection of his group, which he says is already forming a presence in Rowan County, Kentucky... Rhodes said in a statement that his position has nothing to do with gay marriage, but rather his conviction that Davis had been illegally detained by the federal judge who held her in contempt for violating multiple court orders.

Rhodes said that the Rowan County sheriff should have blocked U.S. Marshals from detaining Davis, but since neither the sheriff nor the state’s governor will do their “job” and “intercede” on behalf of Davis, the Oath Keepers will have to do it instead. “As far as we’re concerned, this is not over,” he said, “and this judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to. If the sheriff, who should be interceding, is not going to do his job and the governor is not going to do the governor’s job of interceding, then we’ll do it.”


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There you have it ATS. True colors shining through. One of the militant branches of our own American Taliban openly taking up arms and flocking to intimidate and threaten our duly elected officials. Coming to openly throw our way of life out with the trash so that they can open the doors to their Theocratic Oligarchical and anarchistic meritocracy.

The real face of terrorism staring directly at us and laughing.

If a Muslim said things like this, they would be in Gitmo by tomorrow, with us cheering about it - and rightfully so. Given that, then why are we willing to let homegrown gun crazed religious fanatics get away with this blatant terrorism? Are we not the country who justified bombing Iraq and Afghanistan with the statement "Well, if the moderate Muslims had stepped up and controlled the fanatics, we wouldn't need to do this."?

Our hypocrisy is laid bare here. We are not lashing out against our own demagoguery driven fanatics. In fact, thanks to the rhetoric that we are bombarded with night and day, chances are most who read these words will instinctively want to defend the actions of this group. A group that is stating an intention to prevent the rule of law from being applied to a religious fundamentalist.

This is AMERICA - not the middle East. We are supposed to be way, way beyond this. Our Constitution PROMISES us a separation of Church and state. Our FOUNDERS made this the FIRST Amendment...

And now a bunch of Right Wing zealots, who dare to say that they exist to defend the Constitution are now come to tear is down in the name of what?

Hating gays? Theocracy?

This is a sad, sad day. This is what it must have felt like to live in Germany during the Night of the Long Knives. This is a day that leaves me understanding just how fragmented and broken our country has become.


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:07 AM
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This is mind bottling.

I don't see how this is something the Oathkeepers could support in any rational way. Oh, well they just lost one supporter.

It's my opinion that Mrs. Davis is a mean, petty, insignificant person who is just happier than a pig in poop about all the attention she is getting.

I don't see why everyone is all worked up about this gay marriage nonsense. Its the law now. It shouldn't have even needed a court ruling. The constitution already says we're all equal. That should be the end of it.

It's not like people are going to be showing up to have gay butt sex on their couches.
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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:17 AM
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okay, accepting this at face value and well not overhype and the truth is actually that she felt threatened by the public and is just obtaining a few bodyguards....

if they don't continue issuing marriage licenses to all who are qualified to receive, then well, maybe it's time to just shut the county clerk's office down, without pay, since it's being so danged disfunctional and we now have an army coming into the county to get involved?

maybe if they just shut the doors and not play the game , the governor and the state legislature will get off their duffs and do their job. And, if shutting the gov't down because of minor disagreements can be done at the federal level, it certainly can be done at the local level...

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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:17 AM
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Am I the only one seeing the irony in this?

The Oath Keepers are flocking to protect someone that is breaking their oath of office? WTH?



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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: Hefficide
Come on now. Its called the Federal Anti-Discrimination Act. Just as a same sex person could ask for accommodations to alleviate them from issuing to non same sex couples , so did Kim Davis apply to have someone stand in for her. Anyone in any Religious order is also a protected group under this law.After she was locked up did they actually implement this. The judge and state are , might as well say , guilty of a federal discrimination charge under definition of this law .from pure negligence .


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

That's not what the man said. What he said, plainly was:


The Oath Keepers, the anti-government “Patriot” group... is now offering anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis a “security detail” to protect her from further arrest if she continues to defy the Supreme Court’s marriage equality ruling.


They are showing up to prevent her from being rearrested should she choose to violate the law again.


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:22 AM
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That is some of the most awkward mental gymnastics I have ever seen. She is being discriminated against because she is being denied the ability to discriminate against others?

Hogwash.


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:23 AM
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They just lost any respect or credibility I may have had for them.



Rhodes said in a statement that his position has nothing to do with gay marriage, but rather his conviction that Davis had been illegally detained by the federal judge who held her in contempt for violating multiple court orders.



The law says gay marriage is legal. Opinion doesn't matter.
The law says for her to obey court orders.
She didn't, she broke the law and now these guys are going to break the very laws they've sworn to uphold, coming to her "rescue"?
No matter what he says, this looks like a group of bigots supporting a bigot. And you're right Heff, it is disgusting. We don't need to be afraid of Sharia Law, we need to be afraid of idiots like this who use their religion as an excuse not to follow the law.
"My religion says I can't do my job because........."
Then Go Get Another G** D*** Job!!!


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:32 AM
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a reply to: Hefficide

It's part of a growing movement by Christians to counter equality efforts by minority groups like LGBT or Muslims.

Some Christians like Kim Davis push the envelope to a ridiculous degree and when someone cries foul, they cry victim. It was done recently here in ATL when some genius thought it would be a great idea to hold a Baptism at a public school football practice. When someone complained, the whole community showed up to whine about persecution.

Let's call it what it really is - trolling. It's like the internet is bleeding over into real life.

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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: Hefficide
a reply to: Gothmog

That is some of the most awkward mental gymnastics I have ever seen. She is being discriminated against because she is being denied the ability to discriminate against others?

Hogwash.



No, why dont you just read the LAW ? She is EQUALLY protected under the law as any of the other groups....

Wow , just wow....Hatred of Christianity that even seeks to bypass Federal Law.........


Cover all groups but religion....no wonder this country is going to hell in a handbasket.
Mental gymnastics?????WTH ?
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This is over , anyway. After the fact , then they assign the accommodations of having the Deputy Clerks fill out the same-sex marriage license where she does not have to......do you get that ? After the fact....

All this and I am not a Christian.

Peace.
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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: Hefficide

Here's the thing Heff, let me ask a couple of hard questions - because I think perception is very important in this instance.

Q: How many American citizens are of the same mind-set as Ms Davis and the oath keepers - throw a figure at me?

Q: How many NON-Americans are of the same mind-set as Ms Davis and the oath keepers - throw a figure at me?

Q: In your opinion, is the Bible the word of God?

Q: In your opinion, did Jesus exist?

Q: In your opinion, other than government recognition, how important is the issuing of a marriage licence to 2 people who genuinely love each other?

Evidently, all questions are totally related.


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:40 AM
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a reply to: Hefficide

Welp.

I guess the Oath Keepers want to have a few of themselves martyred or something.

It's not really gonna go the way they want I'm thinking.

~Tenth


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:41 AM
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a reply to: kosmicjack


Let's call it what it really is - trolling. It's like the internet is bleeding over into real life.


That's the most apt description of most social movements I think I've ever read...



~Tenth


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:46 AM
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Well then, they just signed up to go to the slammer themselves as they have become lawless.

Let's see. National Guard? Militarized police? Who will take them in? When did Oath Keepers become thugs?




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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:47 AM
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the accommodation was offered to her before she was locked up I believe, matter of fact, she might not have had to been offered one, she could have just appointed one of her deputies to be in charge of the licenses and have been pretty much done with it. she refused the accommodation and was jailed for contempt.

it is quite possible that in kentucky, state law requires the name of the country clerk to be on those marriage licenses in which case, there is not much more accommodation the country can do for her without state involvement and the state isn't playing! the judge has ruled that she doesn't have to issue any marriage licenses she just have to allow her deputies to do it and I am not sure if her signature is even required in the present set up since I think I read somewhere that the deputy clerks were just placing their initials where her signature was supposed to be while she was in jail.

so well, what is her gripe now that she has to supposedly have her own personal army to prevent her from being arrested? I still ain't ruling out the idea that these are just a few bodyguards to protect her, since the alternative is rather disturbing!! I mean just what is she planning on doing next? A hostage takeover of the country clerk's office? Threaten to have her army shoot any deputy who dares to defy her orders (while obey the judge's orders) and issues a license to a gay couple?
Personally, I was hoping that the temporary set up they had now would be sufficient for all and well, they would let things be at least till the legislature came into session. Obviously, if there's an army on the way, well, that isn't gonna happen is it?


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:49 AM
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Arrest and detain, indefinitely. Just like any other terrorist group.



posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:49 AM
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a reply to: dawnstar

From what I read yesterday, her signature is on all marriage licenses regardless of who issues them, and she refused to allow her signature to be on a marriage license for a gay couple.


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:50 AM
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www.christianpost.com...
The PTB/politically correct bend over backwards to placate certain religious factions all the way down to not serving foods that might be offensive . Davis does not want her name on a marriage license that is issued to same sex partners.


Although many people believe that Davis' demand for her office to refrain from issuing all marriage licenses is because she doesn't want to issue gay marriage certificates at all, Davis only has issue with with having her name and title as authorization on same-sex marriage certificates and does not oppose issuing same-sex marriage certificates that don't include her name on them.

Mat Staver, who heads the Liberty Counsel law firm that represents Davis, recently told CNN that if the state allowed for the clerk's office to issue marriage licenses that did not include her name anywhere on them, Davis' issue would be settled.

"She has asked for one simple accommodation for her faith, not just for her but all the other clerks in Kentucky that are similarly situated, that is, remove her name and title from the marriage certificates," Staver said. "That is all she is asking for. She will issue the certificates but she doesn't want her name and title on it, because that, her understanding and mine, is authorizing something that is contrary to her Christian values and convictions, authorizing it contrary to God's design for marriage."


Oath keepers is about the constitution and the judge broke the law he is supposedly tasked to know an uphold: oathkeepers.org...
STATEMENT BY STEWART RHODES:


STATEMENT BY STEWART RHODES:

We believe Federal District Court Judge David Bunning grossly overstepped his bounds and violated Mrs Davis’ due process rights, and in particular her right to a jury trial. This judge has assumed unto himself not just the powers of all three branches of government, but has also taken on the powers of judge, jury, and “executioner.” What matters to us is not whether you agree with her position on gay marriage or her decision to not issue marriage licenses. What matters is that the judge is violating the Constitution in his anger and desire to punish her for going against his will. We are already being subjected to an unconstitutional imperial presidency, that grew exponentially under both Bush and Obama, expanding the claimed war powers of the president to swallow up our Bill of Rights and circumvent jury trial. The result is an executive branch that claims the absurd power to declare any American an “unlawful combatant” on the say-so of the president alone.

Now we see the rise of an imperial judiciary that not only legislates from the bench but is attempting to expand their “contempt” power to likewise swallow up our Bill of Rights and circumvent jury trial. Both methods are used to allow the powerful office holder to merely point his finger and have his opponent thrown behind bars without a grand jury indictment and without being found guilty by a jury of their peers. No innocent until proven guilty before a jury. Just “guilty” because the leader says so. That is a dictatorship, whether done by a president or by a judge. No one man should have that kind of power in his hands alone to decide guilt and impose a sentence of indefinite detention. Under our Constitution, that dictatorial power does not exist. We must stand against this. And so we will protect her and prevent it from happening again. – Stewart Rhodes

Update: Here is a link to her legal counsel’s motion to stay the judge’s order, which notes the due process problems with what the judge did: www.liberty.edu...


Two sides to every story Hef
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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:51 AM
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A group that purports to exist solely to uphold the Constitution of the United States - taking up arms and flocking to defy it


Well to be fair, the Constitution doesn't say anything about marriage. This is simply Conservatives living up to their name sake and standing for the way things were. A classical Conservative if you will. Now you couple that with religious preaching and you have the current situation. Gay marriage is new and was shoved in the face of people who believe it is morally repugnant. I would imagine how you feel about them, is how they would feel about you. You could spin the argument on it's head quite easily. The difference is you have the backing of Government on your side.All the power, guns and laws are on your side.


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posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 06:53 AM
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Everyone thinks their delusion is the right one, the only one and will even kill you if you do not agree with them. Keep your delusions to yourself and quit trying to jamb it down everyone else's throat! Give the gay folks marriage licenses and quit being so mean, spiteful and hateful! Your Jesus preached love not hate! Some people have really sh$tty reading comprehension I guess?




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