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Please do not call yourselves Christians any more.

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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:05 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Sad to be you

You aren't her, though, so - don't be sad

Just be you. The "sad" part of you, though, is totally optional. Try your local library.
They accept all comers......

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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Akragonno one has attacked you

You are the one calling names or did you forget here is what you called me, a Paulinian.

I tried to find it in my Bible but it wasn't there.

I did however find you Heretick, false teacher, blasphemer, and hater just to name a few. Do you need the book, chapter and verse?



Like windword said... Just because you say "no one is attacking you" does not make it true... or even close for that matter... I called you a Paulian because its true, as I've said previously... that's why you quote nothing but his writing...

And by the way, the word Trinity isn't In the bible either...

Being Paulian is simply being a follower of Paul... and as I've said over and over... Your words prove what I say...

but I do enjoy these discussions... I always hope that people will see the nonsense and venom that spews from many so called Christians and see the truth behind the veil...

You're no more a follower of Christ then I am a follower of Paul




posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:11 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I once had many books on spirituality and different religions. the Bible was the last book I would have ever thought to have found the truth.

You see before Christ in me, I was full of darkness and lies. After Christ in me, his word became true, living and active.


Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


All those other religious books and spiritual writings became dead to me and I to them. They could be priced into the thousands of dollars. I burned them all.

New life arose and the old was done away, A new heart was given me one that loves God, Jesus and the Holy Bible. It took another 10 years after that for me to discover that God did keep his words to this generation as found in Psalm 12:6,7. Once That happened a whole new realm of spiritual truth opened up to me that many find. Truly narrow is the way and few there be that find it.



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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:13 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

I AM A CHRISTIAN, FOLLOWER OF JESUS CHRIST AND FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST.

you are not.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

How is it you get to say that you are, but others are not?

I thought your whole "I was saved by the light" thing was yours - why must you project it onto everyone else as them being failures? Does that make you feel better?

Did your salvation include judging everyone else as unworthy but now you are perfect?


meh.
Never mind, dude. Carry on....



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:17 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

Keep telling yourself that brother...

It might just come true

Unfortunately your words betray you... I can only imagine your actions


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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 08:21 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn


I once had many books on spirituality and different religions. the Bible was the last book I would have ever thought to have found the truth.

You see before Christ in me, I was full of darkness and lies. After Christ in me, his word became true, living and active.


Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.


All those other religious books and spiritual writings became dead to me and I to them. They could be priced into the thousands of dollars. I burned them all.
What happened to cause all of this?

There must have been some traumatic incident or situation.....you want to share all the "darkness and lies" that filled you, so that the rest of us can understand why you think we're all wrong and going to hell?



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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

pretty sure I can answer that for you...

We don't believe the bible is the word of God... He's one of those special kind of religionists known as fundamentalists

And as most people know, even some Christians... fundamentalism is a disease... a plague on this planet...

Thank God they're a rarity even in the ranks of Christianity




posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 09:04 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

then you can't say anything to me about the Bible that can change my mind

your definition of those who you call fundamental.

I am a bible literalist. I believe the English AV Bible is the preserved word of God and it contains all the words of God. I believe the bible is true and it teaches the simple.


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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 09:07 PM
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I am at work but once home I will post a testimony for you.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 09:10 PM
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Of course not... Its impossible to change a fundamentalist's mind on the bible...

its actually pointless and futile because no matter what one says or shows said person, they're mind is already made up... No matter how ridiculous the passage might be to a normal person, a fundy will always claim its directly from God...

Its interesting though... Faith plus works is what Jesus taught, its clear as day... but you people are going to believe what you've been taught... which is called blind faith

And you obviously know what Jesus said about the blind following the blind... but considering you're actually Paulian... You might not know


I am a bible literalist. I believe the English AV Bible is the preserved word of God and it contains all the words of God. I believe the bible is true and it teaches the simple.


my point exactly... and you're right about one thing... It does teach the simple

case closed


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posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 09:23 PM
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There is where you are wrong I am not a fundamentalist I am a Bible literalist.

I am tired of repeating myself over and over again about the three different gospel and how you are mixing them up.

You can look them up and study out the differences of them and to whom they apply and when they apply. then come back

look up "the gospel of the kingdom"
then look up "the gospel of the grace of God"
then the "eternal Gospel"

any person with even a desire to learn can see these are different at different times to different people.

Remember study out the texts in context and ask the who, what, when, where, why, which and how. Seek to clarify the Historical context. and look for the doctrinal context.

remember that things that are different are not the same.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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Yeah I know your theology... as I've said I've been studying Christianity for years...

Just so you know, there are only 4 gospels... the bible contains them all...

and the book in its entirety is NOT the gospel...

further more Jesus didn't teach "grace" either... didn't even use the word once

and again, stop telling me to study... you'd be stupefied if you only knew the amount of studying I've done on your religion and the origins of it.

Anyways... off to work... Im sure i'll chat with ya later




posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 10:22 PM
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a reply to: Akragon

yeah go for it you still know only that of the spirit of man.

you know nothing of my "theology"

sure Jesus taught Grace via Paul.

what you are forgetting is that Jesus taught Israel ONLY

Paul taught ALL men.



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 10:26 PM
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you know nothing of my "theology"


LOL! You preach your "theology" all up and down ATS streets! Anyone who's ever read any of your threads or posts is aware of your "theology"!



posted on Oct, 3 2015 @ 11:59 PM
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a reply to: windword

Actually you and Aragon sound more like Christian fundamentalist than I. Most Christian fundamentalist only recognize the kingdom Gospel as the only gospel, they insist upon baptism and works.

good night all



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 03:04 AM
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sure Jesus taught Grace via Paul.


No paul taught the doctrine of grace... Jesus didin't even use the word...

John used the word in its correct context... Meaning the way in which he carried himself, and the ease in which he could answer peoples questions, even when they tried to trap him

Paul changed the meaning of the word to suit his doctrine...




Actually you and Aragon sound more like Christian fundamentalist than I. Most Christian fundamentalist only recognize the kingdom Gospel as the only gospel, they insist upon baptism and works.


Lovely... Another word you don't know the meaning of...

And yet more proof of you being a follower of Paul and not Christ... Jesus also insisted on works... It was only Paul that insisted on "faith alone"... James tells us faith alone is dead, which destroys the very concept

And Jesus himself said specifically... "What you have done to the least of them, you've done to me"... To them he will say what again? Thats right... I Never Knew You

Unlike you i will not judge a man i do not know... But if you believe Jesus did not require works, one day you'll have another thing coming. Oh... And i'll just quash your rebuttal before you even start it...

Works DO NOT automatically come with faith... Jesus wouldn't have even needed to state that passage if they came along with faith automatically...

Plus all one needs to do is know a few Christians to see how absolutely heartless they can be... Especially towards someone who disagrees with their beliefs

I believe you've also given the class ample evidence of that in the past few pages alone



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posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 12:06 PM
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Why bother? All of us on here are full of "darkness and lies" - aren't we?

Your 'witnessing' is only going to prove that you think so (although YOU are the one full of lies and the darkness of a black hole), so aren't you supposed to not even talk to us? That would be fine with me, really.

Not really any of my business, I'm a sinning heathen bound for hell.




posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 12:52 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

You don't know that. Jehovah is most likely to be the Demiurge spoken about in the Gnostic texts.



posted on Oct, 4 2015 @ 02:51 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Well you asked to know but now you don't No problem for me.

God instructs us via the Bible through John, the apostle who leaned on the bosom of Jesus Christ, that those who do not Hold the daoctrine of Christ, that is who deny his deity we are not to speak or welcome them into our homes that is true.



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