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A comprehensive study of a planetary atmosphere would require determination of its bulk properties, such as atmospheric mass and composition, which are crucial for ascertaining surface conditions. Because (N2)2 is detectable remotely, it can provide an extra tool for terrestrial planet characterization. For example, the level of (N2)2 absorption could be used as a pressure metric if N2 is the bulk gas, and break degeneracies between the abundance of trace gases and the foreign pressure broadening induced by the bulk atmosphere. If limits can be set on surface pressure, then the surface stability of water may be established if information about surface temperature is available.
A water dominated atmosphere lacks a cold trap, allowing water to more easily diffuse into the stratosphere and become photo-dissociated, leaving free O2 to build up over time. Direct detection of N2 through (N2)2 could rule out abiotic O2 via this mechanism and, in tandem with detection of significant O2 or O3, potentially provide a robust biosignature. Moreover, the simultaneous detection of N2, O2, and a surface ocean would establish the presence of a significant thermodynamic chemical disequilibrium and further constrain the false positive potential.
This array is capable of imaging details such as landmasses, oceans, large lakes, and clouds even in some circumstances, large moons.
originally posted by: AboveBoard
Absolutely wonderful thread! I hope someone gives you the applause you deserve.
One question, and this may be a dumb one so please forgive me If it is, while we know OUR kind of life produces these results, is it possible that other forms of life would not?
What "other forms" might be able to breathe or produce might widen the field of possibility for life, though certainly not for habitability?
Again, outstanding OP!!
AB
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: JadeStar
This array is capable of imaging details such as landmasses, oceans, large lakes, and clouds even in some circumstances, large moons.
From forty five light years? Thats some imager… Oh, its still "sci fi".
Nice read (I did actually read it). Thanks for putting in the work, Jade Star.
originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: JadeStar
Are we alone? Once we remove the bounds, boundless space becomes possible. If their is no barrier out there, then the Universe goes on forever. If it goes on forever, it has always been there and, if infinite and eternal, then life has had infinite time to develop and spread everywhere it is possible for it to exist. There is surely life out there, most everywhere.
Thats just my tele scopinion.
Double thanks for the bit of info about the deep impact repurposed images of earth. How far was the telescope from earth when it took the moon transit pics?
Ever see cities at night? is was done ad hoc from the ISS at night. Wonder what the Hubbles capabilities for terrestrial viewing are?
Astronauts in orbit around the Earth often gaze down on a world lit at night by city lights. Now researchers suggest that scientists could detect alien civilizations from similarly bright lights.
Science fiction has long imagined entire planets covered with cities. Examples include galactic capitols such as Coruscant from the "Star Wars" films and Trantor from sci-fi legend Isaac Asimov's "Foundation" books.
Assuming that aliens need light to see at night much as we do, theoretical astrophysicist Abraham Loeb at Harvard University and astronomer Edwin Turner at Princeton University reasoned that extraterrestrial civilizations would switch on city lights during the hours of darkness on their world.
"Both Ed and I were attending a conference in Abu Dhabi about novel ways to detect life, and we had a tour guide on a trip to the nearby emirate of Dubai who bragged that it was so bright at night that you could see it easily from space — that's what gave us the idea," Loeb told Astrobiology Magazine.
On Earth, artificial illumination comes in two forms — thermal, in the form of incandescent light bulbs, and quantum, in the form of fluorescent lights and LEDs. The spectra or combination of colors from this artificial lighting would likely differ from natural sources of light such as volcanoes, and thus might serve as a lamppost that signals the existence of extraterrestrial technology and intelligent life.
originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: JadeStar
Another great OP JadeStar.
With advanced interferometry and space borne telescopes I hardly think that alien astronomers would be limited to current terrestrial designs.
It is probable that different types of telescopes could attain to planetary scales if the interest was there.
Could we construct such a telescope ... ever?
Here's what it takes: Let's assume that all the alien worlds you wish to view up close and personal are no more than 100 light-years away. That might sound pretty cramped to astronomy nerds, but there are probably several hundred thousand planets within that distance - enough to gratify even the most spirited voyeur.
At 100 light-years, something the size of a Honda Accord -- which I propose as a standard imaging test object -- subtends an angle of a half-trillionth of a second of arc. In case that number doesn't speak to you, it's roughly the apparent size of a cell nucleus on Pluto, as viewed from Earth.
You will not be stunned to hear that resolving something that minuscule requires a telescope with a honking size. At ordinary optical wavelengths, "honking" works out to a mirror 100 million miles across. You could nicely fit a reflector that large between the orbits of Mercury and Mars. Big, yes, but it would permit you to examine exoplanets in incredible detail.
The potential is there to produce better than "Google Earth" resolution images from 60 light years away with technology not far in advance of our own!
originally posted by: tempestking
some day i hope that some one or some thing comes to this small little planet of houres but i feel that it wont happen in my life time ... but they mite have already have bean hear and we could be the throw back from their visit ....
originally posted by: sn0rch
Never noticed your threads before JadeStar, but I will make sure to from now on.
You have an ability to write a story while describing something, that added great value to the read
I can tell that your imagination must be vivid with details when you write !!
S&F !!
originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: JadeStar
Thanks for that - I will check out both of those links. (And I'm glad I wasn't alone in my question, after all!)
- AB