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Jesse Ventura's Birthday Message to Bernie Sanders

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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye interesting about founder of bilderbergs. Antony sutton told us that wealthy industrialists funded both the Bolsheviks and nazis. I read that Rothschild commissioned Karl Marx to write the communist manifesto.




posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: JesseVentura
IMHO, the spread of socialism in our government is what has us in the predicament that we are in right now, especially the decrease in work force participants.
I'll pass on the Bern.

No the greed of unregulated capitalism is the reason why we are in the shape we are now. Citizens united was the final nail in Americas coffin because that just handed total control of our government to the elite.
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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: buster2010
Capitalism is so regulated. Where have you been the last 3 decades. Government bureaucrats have regulated industry and commerce to the point of almost non existence of free enterprise. The phony climate science is only adding to that. Farmers have to comply with agricultural regulations too. What kinds of additional regulations would you like to see? Please don't say financial transaction tax bcause that's just a penalty for wealth.

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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: buster2010

Wasnt it George Soros who said that the Citizens United ruling didn't really change things that much?
That it just made things a little easier and removed a couple minor obstacles?

Wasn't Soros (and the Kochs on the other side) pretty much doing whatever they wanted even before ruling?



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus


Capitalism is so regulated. Where have you been the last 3 decades.

Where have you been? Capitalism is no where near as regulated as it used to be.


Government bureaucrats have regulated industry and commerce to the point of almost non existence of free enterprise.

Our bought and paid for politicians pass the laws their paymasters want them to pass.


The phony climate science is only adding to that.

So you know more than most of the scientific community? Or is it you just think factories pumping out hundreds of tonnes of pollution into the air we breath is a good thing?


Farmers have to comply with agricultural regulations too.

Yes because they grow the food we eat. Do you want them to use deadly pesticides that pollute the ground and water?


Please don't say financial transaction tax bcause that's just a penalty for wealth.

I think we should have a flat tax where everyone pays the same percentage no matter how you make your money.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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Bernie has never mentioned Glass Steagall.

I don't know if he was around when it was repealed, or if the mush mouthed old hippy even remembers what role it played in all of this. He probably thinks they were a folk duet at Woodstock.
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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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originally posted by: ScreenBogey
Sanders wants to redistribute wealth. i.e. real Socialism.


You said it yourself...Sanders wants to redistribute the wealth i.e. steal. That is EXACTLY why I wouldn't vote for this clown.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: JesseVentura
IMHO, the spread of socialism in our government is what has us in the predicament that we are in right now, especially the decrease in work force participants.
I'll pass on the Bern.


But it's not the same. Would you rather have a Bush or a Clinton or a Walker or a Cruz lying to you about smaller government and less welfare etc. or would you rather have someone tell you the truth? I'll pick the honest guy. And apparently with Bush, Cruz, Clinton Walker and most of the other front runners. Welfare is okay as long as it's paid to corporations. Not sure why that's okay. If Businesses and corporations cant' make a profit then let them die. Newer, better businesses will take their place.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus

Well just vote in someone who redistributes wealth to the elite.
Go for it.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:20 PM
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a reply to: amazing

It's a straw man to suggest that if you're not for Bernie, you're for Bush, Clinton, or Cruz.

They're all liars and puppets, and Bernie probably is cut from the same mold.

It would be nice to have a true Capitalist and true Socialist (or Social Democrat, which seems to be the hip term) run against each other with honest philisophical debate leading up to an honest election, but we know that's not going to happen.

Politicians want authority and money. They care about nothing else.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: TomLawless
a reply to: amazing

It's a straw man to suggest that if you're not for Bernie, you're for Bush, Clinton, or Cruz.

They're all liars and puppets, and Bernie probably is cut from the same mold.

It would be nice to have a true Capitalist and true Socialist (or Social Democrat, which seems to be the hip term) run against each other with honest philisophical debate leading up to an honest election, but we know that's not going to happen.

Politicians want authority and money. They care about nothing else.



Not really a straw man. I'm saying that if your not for Bernie, who I think is honest, then you have to be for someone. Then who is it. We know that most everyone is in the pockets of someone. Even Rand Paul appears to be in the pockets of the Military industrial complex.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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I'm not in favor of anyone.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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unregulated capitalism

What isn't regulated by the government today?
I often hear about the problems that have been caused by deregulation, the airlines, for instance.... but what phase of our daily lives isn't regulated by the government.
You can't even live in an off the grid house in most localities.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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Welfare is okay as long as it's paid to corporations. Not sure why that's okay. If Businesses and corporations cant' make a profit then let them die. Newer, better businesses will take their place.

I agree wholeheartedly.
It isn't ok.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:51 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
I think bernie has so many candles on his cake that you don't need an oven to cook it


Yeah, but on the flip-side, he hasn't got much left to lose.

soulwaxer



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
Not really a straw man. I'm saying that if your not for Bernie, who I think is honest, then you have to be for someone. Then who is it. We know that most everyone is in the pockets of someone. Even Rand Paul appears to be in the pockets of the Military industrial complex.


I'm not for anyone. It can and does happen.

Also, just because you think Bernie is honest, it doesn't make it so. Trump supporters make the same claim. I scoff at both suggestions.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: amazing
Not really a straw man. I'm saying that if your not for Bernie, who I think is honest, then you have to be for someone. Then who is it. We know that most everyone is in the pockets of someone. Even Rand Paul appears to be in the pockets of the Military industrial complex.


I'm not for anyone. It can and does happen.

Also, just because you think Bernie is honest, it doesn't make it so. Trump supporters make the same claim. I scoff at both suggestions.


The real questions is, can we make any sort of difference in this election?

I think yes...vote in the outsider. That could be trump...could be Bernie. One thing to look at is political donations so far. What strikes me is the lack of corporate and big money donations for Sanders as opposed to almost everyone else. I think that's an indication of actual honesty.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: amazing
Not really a straw man. I'm saying that if your not for Bernie, who I think is honest, then you have to be for someone. Then who is it. We know that most everyone is in the pockets of someone. Even Rand Paul appears to be in the pockets of the Military industrial complex.


I'm not for anyone. It can and does happen.

Also, just because you think Bernie is honest, it doesn't make it so. Trump supporters make the same claim. I scoff at both suggestions.


The real questions is, can we make any sort of difference in this election?

I think yes...vote in the outsider. That could be trump...could be Bernie. One thing to look at is political donations so far. What strikes me is the lack of corporate and big money donations for Sanders as opposed to almost everyone else. I think that's an indication of actual honesty.



I don't. Candidates always try to make themselves look honest and grassroots with regard to donations and I am not counting on the FEC for any real oversight. I don't believe we know what really goes on with campaign financing. Every time a candidate is caught violating the rules -- they get a slap on the wrist, if that.

Besides, Bernie hasn't needed major financial resources so far to gather his support and GAIN on Hillary. And that fact, alone, stinks to high heaven. The DNC is NOT counting on Hillary and her 'on-going' and 'unpredictable' email scandal to see them to victory. And Joe would be campaigning right now if he was sincere about wanting to win -- he wouldn't be allowing Bernie to gather and solidify his support.

The DNC has their money on Bernie to win. I am confident in that prediction.

As I posted earlier, but doubt anyone considered for a single moment or even read:

"It's interesting that Bernie hasn't had to fight dirty or even get any media attention to gain enough support to pull neck and neck with Hillary going into Iowa and New Hampshire.

Hillary's email scandal dominating the headlines has made it easy for him to sit back and paint the picture of a lovable, grassroots, underdog candidate.

If nothing comes of Hillary's email scandal -- other than ruining her chances for the nomination -- then I raise my eyebrow at the picture that's been painted FOR him.

And If Joe Biden enters the race and splits the moderate democrat vote throwing the race to the liberal democrats, Bernie Sanders -- then I will tear that picture to pieces.

AND if Trump breaks with republicans and splits the conservative vote throwing the race to Bernie -- then I will burn the pieces.

If all the stars and planets continue to align for Bernie Sanders -- then I will know that Bernie Sanders is not the man he claims to be. "



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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a reply to: butcherguy

Then your opinion is completely irrelevant. There is nothing the U.S. does that is exceptionally socialist.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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originally posted by: alienmma
a reply to: butcherguy

Then your opinion is completely irrelevant. There is nothing the U.S. does that is exceptionally socialist.

You should read some of the threads that I have seen here at ATS...
Members always bringing up the public school system, Social Security and the like.



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