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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: MoonBlossom

I completely agree with you, 'the times they are a-changin' as a good man once said, old ideas are old ideas, the world's getting smaller, and things have to change sooner or later.

Happy to have people like yourself and the OP around, as this is a very conservative site (it seems) , be nice if the debates had more of a balanced view.




posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: BlastedCaddy

And in the meantime, the government is shelling out money it doesn't have for socialist programs like Obamacare. At some point the country is going to be bankrupt and the government credit will end.

This cycle is NOT sustainable.... But until they have reached that point, they will continue to bankrupt those of us who don't live in a non-ecnonomically-sustainable cycle so that we can't dig anyone else out.

The ONLY thing that is keeping the US afloat right now is the Petro Dollar. Once that gets hijacked by China/Russia, it will be sayonara...



posted on Sep, 11 2015 @ 10:48 AM
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originally posted by: CIAGypsy
a reply to: BlastedCaddy

And in the meantime, the government is shelling out money it doesn't have for socialist programs like Obamacare. At some point the country is going to be bankrupt and the government credit will end.

This cycle is NOT sustainable.... But until they have reached that point, they will continue to bankrupt those of us who don't live in a non-ecnonomically-sustainable cycle so that we can't dig anyone else out.

The ONLY thing that is keeping the US afloat right now is the Petro Dollar. Once that gets hijacked by China/Russia, it will be sayonara...


Let me start by agreeing with you almost entirely, the ideological intellectual measure that I am requiring of myself maintains that free trade is the answer to just about every "problem".

This means that I am against economic protectionism in all its forms. Military defense is another story (as is illegal immigration) but, I am speaking about the idea that we should block trade with what many consider monopolistic economic powerhouses which do not reciprocate access to their own markets such as China.

The economic argument is that, while a particular technological product, material or technical innovation may in fact cause harm (e.g. email vs physical mail), applying active policy attempting to manipulate that state for good or ill will actually cause more harm.

Protectionist policies do more harm than good, it is the central banking that needs to be addressed.




posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: RomeByFire
a reply to: johnwick


And honestly, I don't care if you fought overseas for "my freedom.

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Wow. That is an effed up thing to say. Even more effed up if you mean it.



posted on Oct, 4 2017 @ 10:02 PM
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originally posted by: johnwick

originally posted by: CIAGypsy
a reply to: johnwick



Couldn't have said it better myself


Some folks just lack the ability to learn.

Insanity-doing the same things over and over always expecting a different result-Einstein

I mean it isn't like it has been tried and failed basically every single time in history it was tried.... Oh wait, it has failed every single time it was tried... Nvm

Only in the scandanavian countries has it worked, and there are tiny, with tiny populations, and they practice.... Dumb dumb dumb..... Capitalism still..... Hhhmmmmm



No, it didn't work there either..... they took a massive nose dive but had the sense to reverse course.



The only ones who quote the "Nordic model" are unfamiliar of the REVERSAL that occurred.

Poverty rates in Sweden are very low compared to the U.S. This is largely because Sweden was committed to ensuring full employment

Big Government Big Welfare / State Socialism only took less than 30 years to bring them down. Now they CUT taxes, reformed welfare, AND: partially privatized pensions, cut regulations, and provided school vouchers.... (Sound Familiar?)

Luckily, instead of "doubling-down" on stupid, they reversed course.


www.bostonglobe.com...



Scandinavia’s hard-left turn didn’t come about until much later. It was in the late 1960s and early 1970s that taxes soared, welfare payments expanded, and entrepreneurship was discouraged.

But what emerged wasn’t heaven on earth.

That 1976 story in Time, for example, went on to report that Sweden found itself struggling with crime, drug addiction, welfare dependency, and a plague of red tape. Successful Swedes — most famously, Ingmar Bergman — were fleeing the country to avoid its killing taxes. “Growing numbers are plagued by a persistent, gnawing question: Is their Utopia going sour?”

Sweden’s world-beating growth rate dried up. In 1975, it had been the fourth-wealthiest nation on earth (as measured by GDP per capita); by 1993, it had dropped to 14th. By then, Swedes had begun to regard their experiment with socialism as, in Sanandaji’s phrase, “a colossal failure.”



www.investors.com...



Sweden has been repealing its welfare state post-crisis. Norberg says the country has become "successful again, but only after a new reform period, with more deregulation and free trade than in other countries." Taxes have been cut, school vouchers allocated, and the pension system partially privatized as Sweden distances itself from its welfare-state past.



reason.com...


Sweden and the other Scandinavian countries have experimented with very big government and semi-socialist ideas. There's just one problem: That experiment coincided almost perfectly with the region's only sustained period of economic decline over the last 100 years.

Sanders' image of Scandinavia is just like the rest of his policies: stuck in the 1970s. Until that decade, Sweden and Denmark had grown much faster than other European countries and had become richer than most other countries on the planet, in large part by limiting government and embracing markets.


www.nationalreview.com...


During the past few decades, the Nordic countries have gradually been reforming their social systems. Taxes have been cut to stimulate work, public benefits have been limited in order to reduce welfare dependency, pension savings have been partially privatized, for-profit forces have been allowed in the welfare sector, and state monopolies have been opened up to the market. In short, the universal-welfare-state model is being liberalized. Even the social-democratic parties themselves realize the need for change. Curiously, the American admirers of Nordic-style democratic socialism pay no heed to any of these facts.



posted on Oct, 5 2017 @ 12:34 AM
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I think the dictator said it best, we don't live in a democracy we live in a dictatorship....




posted on Oct, 14 2017 @ 05:29 AM
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a reply to: grimfandango

So you want a panel of government employees planning your future?,why not think for yourself,too many I see expect everyone to help them,when they were too lazy at the time



posted on Oct, 15 2017 @ 12:22 AM
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a reply to: RomeByFire

We're literally living through the collapse of socialism. Hopefully on the other side, it'll be better.




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