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Europe in Chaos as Illegal Immigrants Resort to Violence.

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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 07:43 PM
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a reply to: Asktheanimals

Great video. Here are some of the points he made, with a few changes which really stand up to me and express what many people feel.

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Are these people suffering?, at least the women and children? Yes they are. But these people, the majority men who seem to fall between the ages of 18-30, these people did not grow up with the western concepts you were brought up with. These people don't understand what secularism is. They have no concept of separation of the church and state. Equality before the law. This is another wonderful, beautiful, powerful, highly delicate and easily broken western concept which took thousands of years in the west to come to fruition.
These, among others, are concepts which took at least 2,500 years to come to fruition. The lives of tens of millions of people were sacrificed for these concepts, and you think these people will accept all these concepts with a snap of your fingers?

An excess of empathy is a sin and a crime. An excess of empathy is like living on dessert. It feels good at the moment, but it will kill you in the long run. If you want to help people from Syria. You want to help people from these countries? From Afghanistan and so on? Fantastic...Wonderful...Then here is what you do. You sponsor them. You invite them to come and stay in your home, and you keep them away from the tax payers. Do not use the public purse to subsidize your own moral self-congratulation.

Invite them into your house. Pay for them yourself. But do not burden the public purse. Ask people if they want this. Ask them. "Hey, you want tens of thousands of Middle Easterners who do not speak your language. Who are highly supertitious and have no empathy for other religious, or even atheist people. You want these people, the majority who are illiterate in your country, and pay for them with your new, and increased taxes? Yeah? because you know, that's not something you are going to have to live with for, say the next "ten generations or anything like that".
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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 07:45 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

For crying out loud it's not the CIA.

It' is Saudi Arabia and it's GIP, and Irans MOIS.

Is the Sunni's and the Shias.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 07:49 PM
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originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Well that is obviously a problem, as i said we simply don't have a pile of houses and jobs nor a surplus of social funds, we had to cut spending with 56 billion a year to balance the budget.
700.000 people are without a job, so it will be quite a challenge to provide refugees and immigrants with their needs.

But the immigrants will be going to many countries in Europe, not only the Netherlands.

Apart from this, it should not only be Europe who takes in immigrants and refugees, The US, Canada, Australia should do a lot more that they are doing currently.
We don't have to expect any help from the gulf states since they are wary of people who are different than them.



Only if they are slaves, preferentially female of course.






I've seen illegals in the US number anywhere from 11-45 million. So maybe if a swap program is setup between the US and Europe. Illegals for refudees? I'm joking of course. But for the same issues I laid out above, as in we have large influxes of people without the infrastructure in place, and despite what those who claim otherwise feel. We need to have a 10 year timeout, get the infrastructure up to par, get integration and assimilation handled before we even look to take large segments of other populations in.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 08:16 PM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

Yep. Here is another video which shows the majority of these people are not tolerant of other religions, including Christianity. Here is a video showing how a large group of refugees refused food donations from the Red Cross, because the boxes had crosses in them.

One of the people responding to the video points out that at around 0:22 one refugee yells "No cross, no cross" and you can see the other refugees are yelling and making signs with their fingers to the police not to bring the boxes with the red crosses , while others boo the police bringing them food in boxes from the Red cross.




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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: James1982

originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Europe is having to come up with plans on the fly... why should they bear the brunt of the responsibility? This is a western created problem, in large part. Shouldn't the leader of the Western world be the ones helping the most?



One of the main contributing factors for the state of the mid-east is the fact that it was used as a stage to play out parts of the cold war. BOTH the Soviet Union AND the US have stuck their sticky fingers into that sandbox and caused mayhem for decades, if you place such blame on the west then you also need to demand Russia take half the responsibility here too or else you are guilty of hypocrisy.

If you go a little further back another major factor is when the Europeans (British and French actually) carved up territories and countries that didn't exist from the carcass of the Ottoman Empire, and forced people that don't get along or identify as kin to share the same country. This set the stage for a complete lack of stability (in the absence of authoritarian dictatorships) which, when combined with the anger from west/east meddling and the massive amount of arms left over from said meddling gives you the Mid East of today.

America could have put it's thumb up it's butt after the civil war and never touched the rest of the world, and the middle east would still be screwed up. Blaming America for the state of that region is like blaming the overflowing garbage can on the last person to put some trash on top. Yeah, they added to the problem, no you can't blame the huge trash heap on them.

Europe is lucky that America exists to absorb so much of the blame for the state of the modern world, their utter destruction during WWII gave them a lot of sympathy that seems to erase their long history of doing exactly what people hate America for. And because all their balls dropped off after WWII they get to sit back and act like they are goodie-two-shoes liberal utopia and blame America for all the ills of empire and colonialism after they all played that game and lost.

Fact is Europe doesn't have clean hands, they know it, that's why they are dealing with it. You're hatred of America is so obvious it bleeds into every subject you discuss, I have a deep and strong disgust for the American government and plenty of it's people, but I don't allow it to blind me to history.


This post should have like 50 stars for that paragraph alone
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posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 08:48 PM
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When the middle east (and MANY other places) has been in a kind of a scramble for resources that has been causing misery inwardly and outwardly for years, and those at the top keep breaking their records on profiting from all this, I wonder why for a forum with lots of people skeptical of official narratives, sticking it to the man and all that, the discussion is mostly capitalist tropes we've heard since the nineteen century and nation-state tropes we've heard since the eighteen century. The ruling classes created national identities for us to see people just like us as enemies while ignoring who gives the orders, because we're supposed to have more in common with our bosses and big bosses than with refugees just cause they've been living a bit closer.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 08:51 PM
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originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We can start by getting the hell out of their countries and stop bombing them


Does that include ISIL stop bombing?


We did get out, and so they got ISIL. I'm ok with bombing people who want to kill me.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 08:55 PM
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ah yes more uneducated refugee's to migrate into stressed out economic systems as it is...

Have fun with that...

the EU is getting a taste of illegal immigration aka refugee.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 08:57 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

If they are that hungry they'll eat. Once a day bring out the boxes. If they keep refusing after so long divert the food elsewhere.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

If they are that hungry they'll eat. Once a day bring out the boxes. If they keep refusing after so long divert the food elsewhere.


Actually the red cross is a PLUS SIGN on that box. Say OK so youre not gonna take something that is a ALGEBRAIC SYMBOL that You claim your people invented? OK. well send it to th e Israelis then. WOnder how fast they take it to keep it from going to the evil zionist?



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 09:23 PM
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a reply to: Kali74

this isn't a western created problem, it's a globalist created problem. the globalists are international (in case you weren't aware, they aren't only white people. they are japanese, chinese, arabic, jewish, russian, european and american. so why should their peons be blamed for their decisions? why not ask the globalists to build places for these people to live, and not stuff them in the homes and neighborhoods of the middle and poor classes in europe and america, where there's little if any, culturual similarities?)



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 09:36 PM
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Hang in there Europe, its King Obiwamba to the rescue.

He will take in all your 'refugees' (along with their shipping containers full of weapons, which as you know, every starving refugee needs more than anything else) and give them each a 7-11 or a Dunkin Donuts, free college, free healthcare, welfare, drivers licenses, let them vote for the next democrat disaster-in-waiting, and then conveniently look the other way when the inevitable happens. And don't forget, when it does happen, and it will - ITS BUSH'S FAULT.



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

If they are that hungry they'll eat. Once a day bring out the boxes. If they keep refusing after so long divert the food elsewhere.


They will put on a big show as long as there is someone there to see it. Drop the boxes off and leave - they will be all over them in seconds...



posted on Sep, 9 2015 @ 11:21 PM
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BTW. just to clarify, since it has happened in the past. I know that the red cross is not a Christian symbol, but for those refugees in the video it looks like it is.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 01:35 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse


A Possible Scenario ...........



Sounds like Obama's Kind of People . Next Stop , U.S.A. . They will be Manipulated to come to America and be Pawns to the Powers that Be who want to Destroy it . They will be unable to assimulate into our American Society due to their Severe inbred Cultural and Religious Mindset and cause Chaos is All Major Cities . Rioting and Looting will ensue , which will lead to Natural Born Americans taking up Arms to Defend their Way of Life . The U.S. Government will then Declare Marshall Law and subdue Any Group of people who resist the " New America " that they themselves have deemed to be the New Law of the Land................. At that point Death and Destruction will sweep the Country Until One Side Finally Defeats the other.
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Gin

posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 01:51 AM
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12 Christians thrown overboard to their deaths.

I hate when religion, praying in this case, turns people so violent.
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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: Gin
12 Christians thrown overboard to their deaths.

I hate when religion, praying in this case, turns people so violent.


There's the "religion of peace" in action for ya.

In islam, peace is only achieved when the entire world is muslim.

Now, when that happens, they'll still kill over sunni or shiite.
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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 09:49 AM
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There seems to be a lot of video footage being posted without any context or sourcing just the opinion of an op. It's all very suspect and not a great reflection on some of the members.
, people are just taking people's words for these videos, because they already have some bias one way or another.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
BTW. just to clarify, since it has happened in the past. I know that the red cross is not a Christian symbol, but for those refugees in the video it looks like it is.


Then they need to do away with algebra then . they are so mind numbingly stupid it impresses me how they can breath without thinking. They just associate it with a cross because the name. I know rename them to charity first or just ship i t in brown boxes labeled aid. Even helping them is on their terms. WHy dont we just let them starve instead?



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: muse7
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

We can start by getting the hell out of their countries and stop bombing them
I was about to prepare a speech, but you nailed it in a single sentence.

People mostly focus on the negative side of the problem, but never ask why, this is happening. The crusades and colonialism is basically a transgression unto another person. It is no different, than someone entering my house, uninvited, and claiming a room for his/herself, without consideration on how a person would feel about it. And to add insultto injury, said person who was uninvited in the first place, proceeds on leaving trash, garbage all over the place, creating chaos in your own home. You want that person out, but he does everything in his power to stay, including threats against your families life.


So, what gives the elite the right to do this very thing to people? if you invade someone's home, don't expect them to be happy about it. I guess I spoke my speech anyways. Still, very good post.

To the OP, I call it Karma. The elites may rewrite history, but people will never forget. You reap what you sow. Causality, there is no escape from it. And we are ALL about to feel the full blunt of this karma.
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