NLBS 3.01 - Let's Look at those Center For Medical Progress Planned Parenthood Videos

a reply to: windword

What's wrong with somebody presenting views so everybody can decide for themselves who is "right" or "wrong" ????

a reply to: xuenchen

What's to decide? The procedure what banned in 2003, 12 years ago! The topic it moot.

a reply to: windword

Background info is always healthy.

a reply to: windword

That is one of those silly facts that get in the way.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

it's fascinating to me how often these kinds of laws are used against women who miscarry!!!

Regarding my previous post about the Personhood Amendment, some people would say that I’m blowing the consequences of it way out of proprtion. They say women won’t be prosecuted for having miscarriages. Then why is there legislation in Georgia pending that would require women to prove that their miscarriages happened naturally? Or why did Utah try to pass a law that would charge women with homicide if they miscarry? So. Women who suffer miscarriages are guilty before proven innocent. This is a complete reversal of a fundamental principle of our justice system: that people are innocent before proven guilty.

talksmanymoons.wordpress.com...

the article goes on:

Here are the cases I’ve found where a woman has been charged with having a miscarriage or attempting to cause one, and this is just the tip of the ice berg. In South Carolina alone, an estimated 300 women have been arrested for actions taken during pregnancy. Still think this is not happening?

Christine Taylor of Iowa found herself arrested and sent to jail after she fell down the stairs while pregnant.

South Carolina’s Regina McKnight was sentenced to 20 years for having a stillbirth.

Rennie Gibbs of Mississippi age 15 faces life in jail after a miscarriage,

Bei Bei Shuai of Indiana has been charged with foeticide and sits in jail without parole, and Amanda Kimborough of Alabama, mother of 3, faces 10 years behind bars if convicted of causing her miscarriage…and her three children risk losing their mother.

And for those saying Shuai deserves it because she tried to kill herself, may be you should read her story before being so damn judgmental.

Related: Lynn Paltrow, heroine of our movement! Defender of the rights of women who have been charged with having miscarriages. It’s sad though that there are enough cases that a lawyer specializes in it!

given the statement below, one could assume that these kinds of laws are there more to punish women for miscarrying their babies than they are to protect women!
I mean 300 women to 1 man??? really???

Other prosecutors are twisting laws designed to protect pregnant women and their unborn children into attacks on childbearers themselves. At least 38 states have introduced fetal homicide laws that were intended to be used against violent attacks by third parties like abusive male partners. But in South Carolina, only one case has been brought against a man for assaulting a pregnant woman, while up to 300 women have been arrested under the law, according to the National Advocates for Pregnant Women.

crooksandliars.com...

if you want my opinion, it is getting to the point where sex just isn't worth the risk unless you really, really, want to have a baby badly!

a reply to: xuenchen

Not when it isn't relevant in anyway.

oh, but their new law, preventing abortions after I believe it is 20 weeks, that the senate isn't passing for them will prevent those partial birth abortions....that are already against the law!!
has anyone else listened to the whole 4+hours of this hearing? some of it kind of borders on insanity. they ask one of the witnesses, what they thought china would think of us as far as the planned parenthood videos....
ya know, I've searched to see if china still had their one child policy in effects and were still forcing women to have abortions and I haven't really found any indications that they haven't. if they had asked me that question, I would have included that information in my answer, along with mentioning how some of these companies that just can't stand providing birth control coverage to their employees seem to have no qualms with buying most of their inventory from the chinese companies that the gov't depends on to help them enforce that one child policy! which, I would bet ten to one, the chinese use in their own fetal stem cell research! so well, all I can say is hey, at least we aren't forcing women to donate their children to science!!!

Can fellow New Yorkers come watch tapings?

a reply to: theNLBS

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: dawnstar

Defunding planned parenthood is the ultimate example of government overreach.
Those fat old conservative men have no business with my body or womb or any of the health issues that Planned parent hood assists women with.

They need to stay away from me and other womens personal health.

Thank you. I never understood why this was a topic in any way related to men. I'm also wondering where all the ATS women are. I would think this thread would be full of outrage from the ladies that men are trying to dictate the fate of women.

I know some men will say "I respect the law, I'm just voicing my opinion." If you're like me, you are voicing your opinions in hope of changing laws.

How can anyone be comfortable while a large group discusses how his or her life will and won't be. When will this become a free country?


As I was walking away from my computer, I heard in my head so loudly that my voice spoke the words in a deep redneck accent (I grew up on Oklahoma, so I'm very convincing), "Yea it's a free country, yer free to leave."

a reply to: gentledissident

My consolation is to not be with a woman who supports abortion, I'm not going to get up in arms, picket poor mothers at the clinic. I'm just going to be with women with cohesive beliefs. So the statement about wanting to change the law is inaccurate. I don't give a # about what someone does, If they are not me and my own they can do whatever the hell they like, That's honestly how I feel about the none sense. I believe in what I believe but not so much that I feel entitled to enforce my beliefs in a Gestapo manner, and no one is gonna do that to me either. I am an atheist but I believe in most cases abortion is plain and simple baby killing. However I don't care to tell anyone what they can and cannot do, I just want to be left alone.

a reply to: TechniXcality

It's good to know that you don't want more restrictive laws for individuals (I'm all for regulating business, and I think that's separate from my socialism). Do you really meet girls that, as an atheist, you can tolerate who share your view?

I avoid people too. I avoid most people, but the feeling is mutual. I feel so much better having given up hope for humanity.


I'm curious as to why you think a fetus would ever know that it's alive. An aborted fetus goes from knowing nothing to knowing nothing. I see no harm. We the living have to deal with the joke our frontal lobe learned to tell.

Who would replace planned parenthood? if you listen to the pro-life group, there should be no problem!!!

Well, it appears they are having a problem in louisiana in just determining who would be a suitable replacement!!!

Louisiana: Women Don’t Need Planned Parenthood. They Have Dentists.

www.motherjones.com...

The task seems straightforward: Make a list of health care providers that would fill the void if Louisiana succeeded in defunding Planned Parenthood. But the state, which is fighting a court battle to strip the group of hundreds of thousands of dollars in Medicaid funds, is struggling to figure out who would provide poor women with family planning care if not Planned Parenthood.

Nowhere is this struggle more apparent than in a recent declaration by Louisiana's attorneys that there are 2,000 family planning providers ready to accommodate new patients. A federal judge, reviewing the list in an early September court hearing, found hundreds of entries for specialists such as ophthalmologists; nursing homes caregivers; dentists; ear, nose, and throat doctors; and even cosmetic surgeons.

wonder just how many women get their birth control from their cosmetic surgeon?? Well, by the way the article was written, the judge really didn't like the list they presented and they had to go back and redo it....
out of the 2,000 claimed family planning providers they ended up with just 29 health care providers.....

a reply to: gentledissident

You know, a lot of times I meet women who are Christian or agnostic, of course I don't ask them how they feel about abortion, it's not a huge topic for me nor a conversation piece generally, i will however freely share my views, and of course text doesn't always capture all the context and body language, but I say all that to say this,I wouldn't be with an activist or someone who makes it their life duty to ensure abortions take place, i can tell you that much.

As for why I believe it's wrong, well I believe altruism is mans highest aspiration and that life has objective value, we just build subjective quality'a that make it appear unequal. I believe life is objectively equal no matter how great or small, and in application of that belief I try to be altruistic to those around me and the ones I love.

Also, it's prudent to not fall into nihilism, don't give up things may appear horrible but I believe ultimately we are progressing for the better. Even if we aren't you can still make a little 'heaven on earth' with those around you and who you love. Anyway thanks for asking hope that clarifies my position.

originally posted by: Dawgishly
a reply to: TechniXcality

It is "baby killing" but you are OK with it? That is one of the more interesting positions on this controversial issues I have encountered.

Has it occurred to anyone that experimentation with "fetal tissue" is the reason why abortion is legal?

I scour ATS for people with brains like yours, and I Salute You!

a reply to: theNLBS

Indeed, the anti-Planned Parenthood videos were heavily edited like this classic piece of propaganda. Coming from the source of who made this footage, none it should be believed, Right?

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I think these NLBS people need to watch Blade Runner 20 times to figure out what's going on.


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a reply to: Murgatroid

Why only post half the quote? And why not give it context?

The project that she worked on that this white comes from was praised by Martin Luther King. The quote was fully public..... But it was the full quote and obviously doesn't mean what you are trying to make it mean.
Here's the full quote with the full context.


From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role—alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble—in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor black people.[106] Sanger wanted the Negro Project to include black ministers in leadership roles, but other supervisors did not. To emphasize the benefits of involving black community leaders, she wrote to Gamble "we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." While New York University's Margaret Sanger Papers Project, argues that in writing that letter, "Sanger recognized that elements within the black community might mistakenly associate the Negro Project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow South;"


Personally, whilst I agree with the right to abortion, I do not like Sanger and SOME of her views were just plain inhuman..........
But if we are going to criticise her, let's us the truth and not try and deceive people.

I am truly shocked, and outraged, that an official ATS video would be taking the stance of defending planned parenthood and worse yet, raising them up on a pedestel. Planned parenthood is the most racist and disgusting movement since the nazi's and their concentration camps.

Do you know what is the number one cause of death for African Americans? It's abortion.. And it's not a coincidence that if you're black you're TWELVE TIMES more likley to die from an abortion. Planned parenthood was founded by eugenists and racists and ATS wants to take the stance of supporting and protecting them??? I'm truly outraged... This ATS staff HAS GOT TO BE RACIST or at the very least IGNORANT to what planned parenthood is really all about...

a reply to: libertytoall

did you know a woman giving birth in America is more than twice as likely to die as a woman in Saudi Arabia or China, and three times as likely to die as a woman in the United Kingdom?
or that we are one of only eight countries where maternal deaths have increased between 2003 and 2013? We've joined the ranks of counties like South Sudan, and Afghanistan.
or that african americans are more than more than three times as likely to die as a result of pregnancy and childbirth than their white counterparts.

as to why this has been happening, there might be no clear answer, but there are some agreement amoung the researchers.

It’s not entirely clear why the United States is lagging so far behind, but researchers agree it probably reflects a lack of access to health care and a high rate of unplanned pregnancies. Many women are dying from chronic health issues that are exacerbated by their pregnancies because they didn’t receive adequate care to manage their conditions beforehand. Other women lack the resources to prevent pregnancy if they’re not financially stable enough to have a child. And many expectant mothers struggle to get the prenatal care they need during their pregnancies.
This has an effect on children as well as mothers. The U.S. has the highest rate of first-day infant mortality of any country in the developed world. And the rate of death for children under the age of five is 7.1 per 1,000 live births — roughly on par with Bosnia and Herzegovina, Qatar, and Uruguay.

thinkprogress.org...

abortion is just one small part of planned parenthood's services and in some clinics across the country, they don't even offer it. but when I look at the list of reasons the researchers believe is the cause of the increase of deaths of pregnant women, I see the issues that planned parenthood strives to address.

and one could say that cutting that funding is going to affect the african american population far more it is the white population and therefore a racist act!

a reply to: dawnstar

you're way off topic missy. I really could care less about comparing statistical data from other coutries against America. What I care about is the continued immoral racism that's so deeply embeds our society to the pont of acceptance that we could have ignorant white people that don't even realize a racist act when it's right in their face. Land of the free....That still hasn't happened..we're still waiting for all men and women created equal...away from this symbol of white supremecy that you defend..


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