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DOJ Accuses U.S. Biz of Discrimination for Requiring Proof of Work Eligibility

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posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Because discriminatory is discriminatory.

Do you mind when people are who are here legally are asked to prove that they are?

Because that may as well be happening as well. People can be non citizens and be authorized to work here.

You are the only one implying this issue is only directed at people here illegally, unless you can show the proof of that.




posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: seeker1963

And this issue was who they choose to apply it to, that is it.
It was discriminatory in the selection ofwho had to prove it, not why.


Actually the employers are the only ones who need the proof, because the employers are the ones who get fined if an illegal is working.

Since the employer is running the risk of having an illegal worker, the employer should be able to use whatever method he chooses. Saving time and trusting people you trust is a good reason not to check everybody.

Punishing businesses that hire illegals is the best and most effective way to prevent illegal entry. Obviously.

BTW Reagan's illegal alien amnesty back in the 80's tells you that the government is not taking care of the nation.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:31 PM
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Government and Business want immigrants, both illegal and legal, undercutting the wages of citizens, PERIOD, preferring wage slaves to be DEAD before turning 60. Best case scenario for them, is for someone to work 60+ hour work weeks, from ages 16-60, put all of their money into a 401K & home mortgage, neglect going to the doctor and then suddenly drop dead of a heart attack; all BEFORE they can collect social security & medicare benefits & drain their 401K's.

Due to the way our current economic system works, we CLEARLY have too many people being born and not enough desire on the behalf of the "owners of capital" to employ them for the sake of having a stable and safe civilization. In the United States, for example, its clear that the "owners of capital" have chosen NOT to employ people on a large scale, preferring "tent cities" and "jailing the homeless", INSTEAD of providing more "make-work employment" arrangements.

Up to the 1940 a person could get just about any job with an 8th grade education, but today you need a BA or Masters for entry level. Why?

Because the government & big business figured out a long time ago that populations would certainly increase over time, but due to technology advancements, the availability of jobs would not expand to meet that population growth. There is a DEFINITE reason they don’t want people dropping out of high school and then at the same time, encourage those same high school graduates to attend junior college, then a 4 year university and finally get a Masters or Doctorate. Government strong-arms this concept because it DECREASES the amount of people looking for full-time employment at the SAME TIME, chasing after jobs in a market that CANNOT provide employment for everyone whom is looking, that are able, qualified for and willing to work.

Look at it this way, when people could get a job with an 8th grade education, they went out and did it as soon as possible (opportunity cost). Then jobs got scarcer and the minimum requirement became a high school diploma, adding 4 more years of people NOT Looking for jobs within their cohort. Then jobs got even scarcer and the minimum became a 2 or 4 year college degree, adding an additional 2-4 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Now jobs are really scarce and may require a Masters or PHD, adding an additional 2-7 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Basically due to the way the economy has been structured TODAY, we are looking at young people within their cohort whom are NOT looking for full-time, career type, employment for 6-15 YEARS, beyond K-12, all while they finish more school!

This has been done ON PURPOSE, to keep the number people seeking employment lower. In 1920 after 8th grade everyone who was able, went out to look for work and typically found it. That’s simply NOT possible today under any circumstances. Easily accessed welfare will soon add another 1-3 years of people within a cohort, to those “not seeking employment”. Note this will NOT be to the specific detriment of society, but as a means to continue to mask the illusion that jobs and upward mobility are still available. So, if someone gets a graduate degree and collects 1-3 years of welfare on top of than, that’s ONE less person competing for scarce jobs. The extra years of welfare are then acting in the same way to the larger economy, as the previously increased minimum education levels for employment. The real goal is decreasing the number of able-bodied applicants out on the job market at the same time, but also not decreasing the supply of "potential workers" who's mere existence drive wages down for EVERYBODY. Keep in mind this cohort of people "not pursuing full-time employment" also includes those in Prison, Government pensioners/SSI and the disabled on government assistance. The reality is if everyone needed to go out and “get a job” or “start their own business” TODAY, as many “capitalists” and "entrepreneurs" suggest these days, we would ALL be making 0.25 cents a day. This is the strategy that will "End of Global Poverty".

The “owners of capital” have already decided, FOR US REGULAR PEOPLE, that there are going to be LESS jobs available in the NEAR future, due to increased automation and modern corporate labor, cost-cutting, strategies. These measures eventually will affect and include ALL contract work, ALL self-employment opportunities and ALL small businesses, NOT JUST payroll laborers. Its easier to “pay less” or “nothing at all” to contracted or indentured “labor” when there is another willing laborer/slave, waiting in the wings, to do the work for less or nothing at all. In the past when there wasn’t enough money to go around to pay both wages & PROFITS, the “owners of capital” simply brought in more indentured servant immigrants (Irish, Italians, Chinese, etc) or used flat out slave labor (Blacks, Native Americans, domestic prisoners, POW’s, etc). The only difference between now and then is that “owners of capital” can’t LEGALLY own slaves or indentured servants. The mechanisms today that replaces slaves and indentured servants are the following: longer than needed formal education for basic employment, off-shoring of labor, forced retirement, prisoners and welfare.

The largest “recorded” wage increase to happen in history, for non-land owing, wage-laborers, post the introduction of fiat currency, was after the black death pandemic, in the 14th century, especially in post-pandemic England.

But, how is that possible?

Because “the owners of capital”, post the black-death-pandemic, still needed wage-laborers, but there was a HUGE shortage of able bodied people. So, in order for ANY work to get done, they had to pay the peasants and other undesirables, more money, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. This principle is still at work today, when you take the time to recognize that sizable portions of the population are actively discouraged from participating in the full-time labor market. This is easily done, by throwing people in prison, forcing them to attend formal school longer and allowing more people to claim themselves as disabled or collect long/short term welfare.

Here is some more history to consider, from the 14th century, the Peasants Revolt was triggered by the "Statute of Labourers 1351". By 1381, the sustained wage growth for non-land owing, wage-laborers was rising so quickly that the English parliament, a few decades post the Black-Death, under King Edward III, introduced the "Statute of Labourers 1351". This statute was used by the "Owners of Capital", as an artificial means to drive down the wages of non-land owning peasants. Despite market conditions signalling the need for increased wages.

The Statute of Laborers; 1351 ("Statutes of the Realm," vol. i. p. 307.)

Think about that for a minute, the MARKET signaled that wages should have been higher, due to actual labor shortages caused by the Black Death, but the “owners of capital” still didn't want to pay it, so they wrote a law saying why they didn't have to conform to demands of the market. That's where we are today, a form of Neo-feudalism, driven by Fascist ideology and practices. Remember we are a former "slave owning nation", that fought "tooth & nail" to maintain the legal right to own slaves, even turning indentured servants, whom by contract, were set to be released in 7 years, into indefinite slaves, through legal loopholes.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate

I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

The issue wasn't that they were verifying people, of course they were that is the law.

It was that they were selectively doing it with discriminatory practices.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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So basically Biz is ILLEGAL for following the LAW for not hiring ILLEGAL immigrants!

LOL this is insane.
edit on 8-9-2015 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Semicollegiate

I feel like I'm talking to a wall.

The issue wasn't that they were verifying people, of course they were that is the law.

It was that they were selectively doing it with discriminatory practices.


I ubderstand, and I said that not checking everybody means they run the risk of hiring an illegal.

That risk is the freeman's choice to take, because it save time, money, and strokes the ones who didn't get checked.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:47 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xuenchen

Spin city.

It wasn't about going after people they knew were illegal but anyone they thought was, it was selectively used.



A Nebraska meatpacking company that authorities said illegally required foreign-born job applicants to show proof of their immigration status settled the case Monday with the U.S. Department of Justice. Nebraska Beef Ltd. did not ask similarly qualified U.S. citizens to provide the same documents while applying for the same jobs at its Omaha plant, the Justice Department said.

www.ibtimes.com...



I have to provide my documents to get a job!

Talk about spin versus the law? lol


I do too.

Drivers license.

BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

To name a few.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:51 PM
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a reply to: Semicollegiate




BTW Reagan's illegal alien amnesty back in the 80's tells you that the government is not taking care of the nation.


Actually there have been since amnesties from Reagan. Even ole W tried to get on passed through but it was blocked.

The Seven Amnesties Passed by Congress

So they been 'fixing' it for over 40 years each time breaking it worse.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:52 PM
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a reply to: neo96

So basically if you don't read what the statement says that is what you think.

You can be here legally and not be considered a citizen.

This is about apply practices to some and not others discriminatory.

The spin is that this is protecting illegals, but that is not the case.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Semicollegiate




BTW Reagan's illegal alien amnesty back in the 80's tells you that the government is not taking care of the nation.


Actually there have been since amnesties from Reagan. Even ole W tried to get on passed through but it was blocked.

The Seven Amnesties Passed by Congress

So they been 'fixing' it for over 40 years each time breaking it worse.


You two are so close to the big picture it isn't funny!

Cloward and Piven, and google Peter Sutherland and his interview with the BBC in 2012!!!! I have already posted it 3 times and don't want to piss of the mods but google it! The immigrant problem and how countries are handling it was predicted and dictated years ago!



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Six years into that supposed strategy and nothing yet, how long does it take?!



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 06:01 PM
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Actually done here, if the basic premise of selectively and discriminatory applying hiring process is to hard to grasp, then there is no use.

That is what they got hit for.

Some how we have drifted into Cloward and Piven from that.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 06:02 PM
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According to I.C.E., it's illegal to hire someone not eligible to work in the USA.

In order to confirm eligibility, you need to ask for documentation.

If you're making it illegal to ask and illegal to employ, then you're putting companies in a catch-22, which is unconstitutional.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: seeker1963

Six years into that supposed strategy and nothing yet, how long does it take?!


6 years for what strategy?

Care to elaborate?



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 06:10 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: seeker1963

Six years into that supposed strategy and nothing yet, how long does it take?!


Cloward - Piven was activated in the 1960s.

Seems to be working in many respects too.

It was the "original" "never let a crisis go to waste" plan.




edit on Sep-08-2015 by xuenchen because: [docked.off]



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 06:20 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: seeker1963

And the issue is here seeker is that they were applying one standard to one applicant and another to other applicant.
That is the spin from JW, they don't mention that part.


But they did "mention that", along with links to a government statement.

I wonder if the "e-verify" gave a "negative" on some S.S. numbers?

"Positive" verifications would need no further "verifications".




More than likely. Every job I have had, ID, social security, checked references, credit check, verified school records, etc. Any thing doesn't match they will reach back out for additional info.

Everything matches, so be it. In that case there would be two different standards having nothing to do with discrimination. Problem with paper work, additional process required, no problems it's all done. Seems to me additional checks were required due to problems, additional verification was needed. It hit illegals, and of course it had to be discrimination.

Amazing.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Semicollegiate




BTW Reagan's illegal alien amnesty back in the 80's tells you that the government is not taking care of the nation.


Actually there have been since amnesties from Reagan. Even ole W tried to get on passed through but it was blocked.

The Seven Amnesties Passed by Congress

So they been 'fixing' it for over 40 years each time breaking it worse.


I didn't know the details. I do know that trucking agricultural products in California pays less than 50% of what it did in the 1990's. Most of that reduction is from Mexican labor.

Mexicans are at least of good as Anglos, its just that their numbers flooded the labor market and made all labor cheaper.

Supply and Demand at work. Even Keynesians know that more workers equals lower wages, just like if there were only 50 paper plates in the whole world they could be worth millions to some rich picnickers.

The social contract is always violated by the government first.

The only hope is a genuine mistake by the powers that be and a crash.



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 07:12 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This is a new low for obama, creative stupidity with a side order of insanity. Or else maybe the meat company is a little more competitive than one of obama's buddies?

Cheers - Dave



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 07:14 PM
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OK, I'm a little confused. If someone was a US citizen, they were not asked to prove that they were legally allowed to work. If they were born in another country, they needed to prove that they were legally allowed to work in the US. And the company is being fined for not asking US citizens to prove they were legally allowed to work?

How would a US citizen not be legally allowed to work?
What proof would a US citizen show to prove they are legally allowed to work?



posted on Sep, 8 2015 @ 07:47 PM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: xuenchen

Spin city.

It wasn't about going after people they knew were illegal but anyone they thought was, it was selectively used.



A Nebraska meatpacking company that authorities said illegally required foreign-born job applicants to show proof of their immigration status settled the case Monday with the U.S. Department of Justice. Nebraska Beef Ltd. did not ask similarly qualified U.S. citizens to provide the same documents while applying for the same jobs at its Omaha plant, the Justice Department said.

www.ibtimes.com...



That was a joke right?

Because that was the single dumbest retort this week on the entire internet.

I bet 99 out of 100 employers can tell anything illegal 99 out of 100 times in less than 3 minutes of interview time.

They don't speak English well at all... Yep
They don't know how interviews usually work in America.. Yep
They don't have readily available the obvious pieces of ID every American knows you need to get any job in the country... DL AS card... Yep
Come on man, stop drinking the damned coolaid for 5 seconds.

It is obvious I am an American, and the obvious illegal Mexican isn't.

Just like it is obvious that the STA should be shaking down mideaster Muslim's not white black
Or Asian grandmothers.

The left went full on retard long ago, try using your brain for more than finding offense in everything, you will get much farther faster more easily.



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