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Muslim Refugees Chant “Allahu Akbar,” “F*** You,” Attack Citizens and Throw Feces

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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 10:27 AM
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a reply to: boymonkey74

According to the citation [232] I'm right.

"In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics," she says.
"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."


www.bbc.com...

They've changed their laws to include a broader definition which as increased the numbers. And those are only the reported cases.

Here's some more brain food:

Staggering rape and assault rape statistics from Sweden from 1985-89 and 1997-2001. Rape committed by Swedish born rapists (blue) were 22.4%. Foreign rapists represent 77.6% of all figures divided into ‘normal’ representation (pink, red and orange) at 5,070; over representation (red) at 3,752 rape cases; unregistered migrants (orange) at 653 rape cases. Note that the blue bracket of Swedish rapists include foreign born persons with Swedish citizenship as the statistics are only counted on citizenship, and not nationality.

muslimstatistics.wordpress.com... ulation/

Here's a video:


And here's a fact.

Total national rape statistics: Swedish born rapists (39%), migrants (38%), migrant children (13%) and unregistered migrants (10%). Immigrants are responsible for 62% of the entire country’s rape crimes.


ok, your turn.




posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 10:34 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Fine, I'm a xeno because I'm legitimately worried. I've been doing more research since this thread started than you have in your entire life. Because your apologetic attitude is showing. Got your head in the sand and you refuse to look further than what you already believe. You are not balanced in terms of discussing the reality of "tails or heads" on the coin. Just looking at tails.

And as for your comment about factions not fighting in the states? Well, perhaps that's because the percentage is less than 1% of the entire nation's population. Like I said, bring more, you will have fighting.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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originally posted by: blupblup
So was there any Guano flung then?
Where they chanting **** you and all that?

Or is this just more BS.....


Need I ask.



If you didn't follow the discussion (that's understandable, I don't always do so either when it is this long!)
It seems the video (now snipped- from the OP was not current- it was a past event, unrelated to the current ones.

There are reports of feces throwing in some places - newobserveronline.com...

There are reports of looting and robbing cars, on the border of France and Belgium, and refusal of food offered.
This I know from a friend there who is a police officer (no, I don't expect you to take my word for it. You can do your own research and form your own idea).

But we haven't seen much, if any, very ordered or organized sort of chanting or protesting. It is sort of just chaotic and spontaneous.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

So the OP is based on a lie then - gotcha!
Do we need another "The refugees are EVIL" thread??

*sigh*



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 10:49 AM
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originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: Krazysh0t


Muslims get along just fine in the States, so I'm going to disagree with you.


The environment in Europe is very different from the US.
There is a different history, and a different culture.


You're right. Places like Spain have had Muslim populations for a long time.


-The numbers of them are lower in the US, you do not have the same effect of them massing together.


So? If anything, America has VAST experience in dealing with immigrants with different cultures coming into its culture.


-They do not come here to be part of the American Dream- of being able to get ahead based solely on individual merit and hard work. (not that I think that is a realistic promise, but it is still the myth that is spread far and wide). This place attracts people with a different motivation.


Why does it matter what they end up doing here as long as it isn't criminal?


-The police are not aggressive, especially in the face of Arabs. They have specific orders not to respond to the behaviors of Arabs, to avoid social disruption and destruction.
It is also linked to a largely unspoken fear of reliving their mistakes of the second world war and collaborating with the Nazi's. They are so afraid of being seen as racist, they are going too far the other way. This has a wide variety of effects that are damaging even to the peaceful muslim inhabitants here.


This looks like pure opinion and not steeped in any facts.


For a while I wondered why so little of what happens in terms of violence from the arab communities is actually exposed by the press, but I learned with time that there is a certain amount of shame by both the regular citizens as well as authorities, about just how bad the situation has escaped them. Somewhat like parents who don't tell anyone their kids are being tyrants at home.... same syndrome.


Ever consider that you are overblowing the problem in your head? Nah. It's gotta be them and not you. YOU know what's REALLY going on even though you don't have any reliable sources that would confirm what you think.


-The social security offered to immigrants is much more inclusive than what one finds in the US. Believe me, I live here, I have typical american ethics- I believe in hard work...it is part of my sense of self esteem. But everything in this system seems to be set to actually incite and push people to not do so. Without a strong ingrained work ethic, a person falls rather quickly to this pull.
It works in the french culture because of other aspects of their culture which counter that, but that the muslim culture does not have.


I don't care about this.


We have a large growing fraction of second and third generation immigrants, somewhat confused and troubled about their identity, who are finding what they feel is their "roots" in being recruited by extremists. This is a danger for the new muslims coming in that will be naturally drawn to joining the muslim communities already existing. They are vulnerable too, they feel uprooted and powerless. The recruiters would be stupid not to profit from this wave.


Muslims extremism is STILL low in Europe no matter what opinionated rhetoric you want to spread.


There's a lot about the situation in Europe that is different from that of the US, so I don't think that is an effective way of reasoning.


No there isn't. Like I said, we've dealt with all these issues before from other cultures. We know how immigrant phobia works. Clearly you weren't around during our red scares where everyone and their brother was a Commie. You DO know that we tried these very same arguments against the immigrants fleeing Communist countries right?



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: FlySolo
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Fine, I'm a xeno because I'm legitimately worried. I've been doing more research since this thread started than you have in your entire life. Because your apologetic attitude is showing. Got your head in the sand and you refuse to look further than what you already believe. You are not balanced in terms of discussing the reality of "tails or heads" on the coin. Just looking at tails.


This is just you rationalizing away calling a bunch of people fleeing war torn areas "savages".


And as for your comment about factions not fighting in the states? Well, perhaps that's because the percentage is less than 1% of the entire nation's population. Like I said, bring more, you will have fighting.


Lol. If you say so.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:06 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t



This thread debunked the article in the OP. Though it was closed because it was a duplicate thread. www.abovetopsecret.com...


that's not what i was posting about, i was posting about your claim that all of them are old. which i showed they weren't.

the video in that thread you linked ( 2nd in this OP's link), made no claim that it was recent, and just as xuenchen said right above the video it said



Another clip of Muslims on a train in France shows a man screaming out slogans before all the passengers chant “Allahu Akbar” in unison.


now the others as i have shown, from others sources are recent which proves that your claim is not completely valid as far as dates go. and maybe are what the article claims, in the caption above each.

above first video.



A video shot just outside Budapest’s Keleti railway station shows Muslim migrants chanting “Allahu Akbar” and “f**k you” as they engage in running battles with police.


and here are two articles about the train station being shutdown and the refugee protesting. although there was nothing said in either one about “Allahu Akbar,” “F*** You,” Attack Citizens and Throw Feces in either, there is evidence that a protest happened. plus if we had someone who could translate and be honest we would know what was being chanted.

dated 3 sept 2015
Migrant Chaos Mounts While Divided Europe Stumbles for Response

this one even has the same picture used in the last video in the OP, dated 3 sept 2015.
Migrants flood Budapest train station as police allow access, find no service to Western Europe

the second video, already addressed

third video, link dated 25 aug 2015 provided in my last post proves caption above the video,



Footage taken at a migrant camp near Milan shows refugees rioting over “poor living conditions”.


forth video, pulled copyright.

fifth video, as i said i don't see as credible, the only thing is that the picture is the same as the second article i posted.

as i said many times before, i don't like alex jones. tried a long time ago, but i found he spouts to much BS.

but your claim that all the videos are old is wrong. i've shown that they weren't and now i say this, out of the five only one was shown to be old, two shown that they are current, one can't say, the last one is a valog by some joe blow that can not be seen as credible.







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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Ok, let me ask you this. Were the Muslim men right to riot in Paris because a Muslim woman was id'd by police?

Please, don't skirt the question. Just yes or no.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: blupblup
a reply to: Bluesma

So the OP is based on a lie then - gotcha!
Do we need another "The refugees are EVIL" thread??

*sigh*


The OP chose a bad source to illustrate his point which was valid. Other sources and videos have emerged since to confirm the topic.

What is with the usage of words like "evil" and "hatred"???
Man, that is extreme and irrational. It is not because a real social conflict is being talked about that hate or evil even enters the picture.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:33 AM
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originally posted by: Bluesma

originally posted by: blupblup
a reply to: Bluesma

So the OP is based on a lie then - gotcha!
Do we need another "The refugees are EVIL" thread??

*sigh*


The OP chose a bad source to illustrate his point which was valid. Other sources and videos have emerged since to confirm the topic.

What is with the usage of words like "evil" and "hatred"???
Man, that is extreme and irrational. It is not because a real social conflict is being talked about that hate or evil even enters the picture.


How can you not see that using fake video on a subject that is already extrremely touchy and divisive is incredibly bad and possibly irresponsible?

"Im not sayng that the refugees ARE doing this, but the COULD be doing this and if they WERE....how would you feel?"

WTF? Are we 15 years old or something?



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:36 AM
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a reply to: Bluesma

What other sources emerged to confirm it?

Mixed up threads, but ya still nit video had proved this op claim.
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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:36 AM
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originally posted by: InverseLookingGlass

originally posted by: joemoe
a reply to: tony9802

The scary thing is this whole situation is a perfect Trojan horse scenario for ISIS to infiltrate Europe and perhaps beyond.


US, Saudis and Zionists create, fund, train and equip the entity you call ISIS. If a few people like yourself would wake up and deprogram, maybe we could pop the lid off 9/11 and subsequent mass murder.

How's that sound to you? Up for it?


The Sunnis, and the Shia's created them.

That is Saudi which was right. The rest not even close to being accurate.

The Shia come from the land of Iran.

There are ONLY two countries responsible for the crap going on over in the middle east.

Saudi, and Iran, and neither one like them evil zionists, or the US for that fact.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: FlySolo

Where have you been doing your research at? Where did you get the back story of the video you are talking about?



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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Now, what if:

What if instead of saying no to immigration, we just accepted that we're all members of the human race, all one world, and that we're all in this together?

What if we took an American approach and pretended that all of these people instead of coming from separate countries, were coming from our separate states, one into another? We wouldn't stop that, we didn't stop that when Katrina happened in Louisiana and thousands of people 'Immigrated' to other cities and states.

Accept that people will migrate and plan for it.

But of course, once they migrate to where they're going make them follow the laws that are in place there. Criminals get arrested. Simple really.
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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

You're right. Places like Spain have had Muslim populations for a long time.

Yes, the moor influence in their culture makes for a different result.

So? If anything, America has VAST experience in dealing with immigrants with different cultures coming into its culture.


Yes. It has long been american tradition to expect immigrants to integrate, become an active and constructive part of the society, and adhere to the laws, no matter what their religion.


Why does it matter what they end up doing here as long as it isn't criminal?


Because the persons who want to go the US are then persons who want to work hard and get ahead on their individual merit. Those who don't, go elsewhere. There is also the "criminal" element which means a desire to conform to the local laws. Seeing as the US has transmitted (for a long time) a strong police force and strict imprisonment laws, it is more attractive to those willing to conform- less to those who are not.


This looks like pure opinion and not steeped in any facts.


You are free to form your own opinion, based upon your experience with these people. I do not deny that.



Ever consider that you are overblowing the problem in your head? Nah. It's gotta be them and not you. YOU know what's REALLY going on even though you don't have any reliable sources that would confirm what you think.


No. I watched violent riots happen around me, I know people personally whose cars have been burned. This was not covered by the media, and the people directly effected did not especially want the world to know. Some are just used to it. The joy that only 940 cars were burned this last New Years, instead of the 1,067 of last year was broadcast... did you know we'd just gotten used to such massive car burnings each New Years?? Probably not. It's kind of a shameful fact.



I don't care about this.


It is relevant. Immigrants are given free housing, food, medical care, education, monthly spending money, and even satelite dishes to help them keep in touch with their culture of origin. You get more spending money per child you have. This is especially relevant when you have more than one wife to make children with. The amount of money you get each month is MORE than minimum wage.



Muslims extremism is STILL low in Europe no matter what opinionated rhetoric you want to spread.


Nope. It is higher in France than in any other European country. Since January 2013, the number of recruits has gone from 86 to 1,850. These are french born muslims (of second or third generation immigrants).
The attacks we have here are not all publicized elsewhere, apparently because on this site people only seem to be aware of the Charlie Hebdo one! No one seems to even know who Mohammed Merah is!





You DO know that we tried these very same arguments against the immigrants fleeing Communist countries right?


I think the US should ship have these refugees shipped over to their country. It is possible that they will fall into a less dangerous situation there.
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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: Bluesma

How can you not see that using fake video on a subject that is already extrremely touchy and divisive is incredibly bad and possibly irresponsible?

"Im not sayng that the refugees ARE doing this, but the COULD be doing this and if they WERE....how would you feel?"

WTF? Are we 15 years old or something?


The subject is valid. The video in question was taken down and most participating in this thread now did not even see it.
(I never did).

They ARE doing this stuff. There are other current videos of it on other threads. I gave reference to those threads earlier. Look them up.

I'm sick of this recurring demand to bring it to others as if they are handicapped. Look it up. Then come back and discuss what is really happening right now or not.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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well the one that was from 2011 is the second video. the one pulled is a copyright violation.

and as i've said in my last post, in the other "debunking" thread xuenchen pointed out that the caption above the 2nd video it says,


Another clip of Muslims on a train in France shows a man screaming out slogans before all the passengers chant “Allahu Akbar” in unison.


and makes no claim about being recent.

also if you look at all the videos they lead up to the valog which is the last video, it even gives a link to his facebook account and if you go to the video link there it's the first one. could be seen as click bait / like bait.

i consider valogs non credible, and this is just him expressing his own opinion.

that said, if you look at both of my posts ahead of this one i showed that of the five, two are recent. and in the second post gave news articles dated 3 sept 2015 that a protest did happen at the train station. notice the rest of my comment on that.

of the five two are recent, one is not, one doesn't count, and the last is non credible.







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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: FlySolo

Protest? Yes. Riot? No. No one has the right to riot, but keep in mind. Just because you have one case of Muslims rioting, it's not like the natives haven't rioted before. Just ask Greece or Spain about riots.



posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 12:53 PM
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originally posted by: Bluesma
Yes. It has long been american tradition to expect immigrants to integrate, become an active and constructive part of the society, and adhere to the laws, no matter what their religion.


It has also been an American tradition to pretend like immigrants are a bunch of dirty criminals and shouldn't be coming into the country. Literally EVERY wave of immigrants this country has seen has also been accompanied by anti-immigrant xenophobia. The only difference between each case is just the type of group (Catholic, Irish, Mexican, etc).


Because the persons who want to go the US are then persons who want to work hard and get ahead on their individual merit. Those who don't, go elsewhere. There is also the "criminal" element which means a desire to conform to the local laws. Seeing as the US has transmitted (for a long time) a strong police force and strict imprisonment laws, it is more attractive to those willing to conform- less to those who are not.


So all immigrants have to work their asses off once they are American citizens, but American citizens are free to do whatever they want?


You are free to form your own opinion, based upon your experience with these people. I do not deny that.


I happen to work with quite a few Muslims. In fact, my company is owned by a Muslim family and most of the department heads are Muslims.


No. I watched violent riots happen around me, I know people personally whose cars have been burned. This was not covered by the media, and the people directly effected did not especially want the world to know. Some are just used to it. The joy that only 940 cars were burned this last New Years, instead of the 1,067 of last year was broadcast... did you know we'd just gotten used to such massive car burnings each New Years?? Probably not. It's kind of a shameful fact.


Buddy, I live in Baltimore. Don't talk to me about witnessing riots from foreigners. It's not like locals don't riot either.


It is relevant. Immigrants are given free housing, food, medical care, education, monthly spending money, and even satelite dishes to help them keep in touch with their culture of origin. You get more spending money per child you have. This is especially relevant when you have more than one wife to make children with. The amount of money you get each month is MORE than minimum wage.


No, that isn't true it all. Immigrants get no more than anyone else in this country. My company happens to employ quite a few immigrants on work visas. I'm VERY familiar with what immigrants are and aren't given. My Chinese buddy who has been trying to get a green card for the last 8 or so years tells me all about it.


I think the US should ship have these refugees shipped over to their country. It is possible that they will fall into a less dangerous situation there.


I think y'all should just deal with it. Those Muslims aren't going to spell the end to your country.
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posted on Sep, 10 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: FlySolo
Hmmm, well I watched the videos. I didn't see anybody throwing feces or attacking any German citizens. What I saw was a crowd of displaced refugees protesting poor confinement conditions in Budapest and challenging the police in a foreign country where they jail migrants for weeks with no water etc. The Allahu Akbar chant which translated means "God is great". What do Christians yell? Hallelujah. Holy F# So the race baiting begins. This thread is crap. No star for you.


Because these videos and stories are propaganda by the far-right, being gobbled up and shared around the Internet by xenophobic, ignorant people because they're too ignorant to learn what "Allahu Akbar" ACTUALLY means.

Meanwhile, while the nationalists, fascists and racists (or just ignorant people who see "Muslim" and think "Terrorist") are spreading this bs around trying to manufacture propaganda, we see ACTUAL far-right members deliberately attacking innocent women and kids in these countries.

People like Petra Lazlo, a "journalist" who was filming herself attacking refugees while other journalists were filming her.



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