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originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Annee
Because it has nothing to do with the discussion that I can see, which is why I question whether you know what the discussion is you decided to jump into.
Enlighten me.
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Metallicus
Why can't this guy just do his job and not push his beliefs on people?
When did his rights become more important then others?
Why are gay rights more important than religious rights? Bottom line is this is a contrived conflict that could be easily resolved by someone else performing the ceremony. No one has to lose unless the goal is to be vindictive. The only reason we have conflict here is because some a-holes want their pound of flesh.
Are the rights of this judge being violated?
As far as I know he can worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster as long as it doesn't interfere with his job.
The only rights being violated are those of gay people that want to marry and this judge is not allowing them to marry
Why can't the government do their job and start enforcing immigration laws? Why didn't you put Obama in jail when he refused to enforce DOMA? Why are you leftist commies in such a row over a county clerk asserting her 1st amendment rights?
But, more importantly, why did you compare your Same Sex Marriage movement to the Civil Rights Movement and MLK's fight to end segregation? Because you leftist commies wiretapped his phone and put him under surveillance, and used his sex life to drag him through the gutter to undermine the Civil Rights Movement. Just like you are using this county clerk's sex life to drag her through the gutter. You even threw MLK in jail when he asserted his religious convictions too ....
But .. since you are claiming that people should just obey the damn law like good little peasants, can you exp-lain to me in as much detail as possible how 5 unelected judges get to redefine marriage for the whole country without our consent?
Leftist? Commie?
DId I somehow enter an alternate universe where the Internet was invented the 1920s and we're currently in 1955 or something?
Did Stalinist Russia have marriages between gay people? Does capitalist/oligarch Russia have it now?
Do you even know what communism is/was?
BTW: We don't elect Supreme Court justices. We have three branches of government and a separation of powers under the Constitution. This was done to protect everyone's rights under the Constitution. You might want to learn a bit about all that stuff.
Please, refrain from answering a question with a question.
Why isn't Obama in jail for refusing to enforce DOMA?
Duh, because DOMA was ruled unconstitutional. Again, please look up the separation of powers. I'm only 20 years old and I understand them and you strike me as someone a lot older.
As for NSA spying on citizens for no reason, we're on the same side on that issue. I disagree with that. "Onward Cascadia".
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: Annee
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Annee
Because it has nothing to do with the discussion that I can see, which is why I question whether you know what the discussion is you decided to jump into.
Enlighten me.
Does "being born that way" automatically make it alright and acceptable just by virtue of having been born that way.
originally posted by: JadeStar
Your question assumes that LGBT people are not acceptable from the very beginning.
That's the problem with it.
No one asks "does being born with red hair automatically make it alright and acceptable just by virtue of having been born that way."
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Metallicus
Why can't this guy just do his job and not push his beliefs on people?
When did his rights become more important then others?
Why are gay rights more important than religious rights? Bottom line is this is a contrived conflict that could be easily resolved by someone else performing the ceremony. No one has to lose unless the goal is to be vindictive. The only reason we have conflict here is because some a-holes want their pound of flesh.
Are the rights of this judge being violated?
As far as I know he can worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster as long as it doesn't interfere with his job.
The only rights being violated are those of gay people that want to marry and this judge is not allowing them to marry
Why can't the government do their job and start enforcing immigration laws? Why didn't you put Obama in jail when he refused to enforce DOMA? Why are you leftist commies in such a row over a county clerk asserting her 1st amendment rights?
But, more importantly, why did you compare your Same Sex Marriage movement to the Civil Rights Movement and MLK's fight to end segregation? Because you leftist commies wiretapped his phone and put him under surveillance, and used his sex life to drag him through the gutter to undermine the Civil Rights Movement. Just like you are using this county clerk's sex life to drag her through the gutter. You even threw MLK in jail when he asserted his religious convictions too ....
But .. since you are claiming that people should just obey the damn law like good little peasants, can you exp-lain to me in as much detail as possible how 5 unelected judges get to redefine marriage for the whole country without our consent?
Leftist? Commie?
DId I somehow enter an alternate universe where the Internet was invented the 1920s and we're currently in 1955 or something?
Did Stalinist Russia have marriages between gay people? Does capitalist/oligarch Russia have it now?
Do you even know what communism is/was?
BTW: We don't elect Supreme Court justices. We have three branches of government and a separation of powers under the Constitution. This was done to protect everyone's rights under the Constitution. You might want to learn a bit about all that stuff.
Please, refrain from answering a question with a question.
Why isn't Obama in jail for refusing to enforce DOMA?
Duh, because DOMA was ruled unconstitutional. Again, please look up the separation of powers. I'm only 20 years old and I understand them and you strike me as someone a lot older.
As for NSA spying on citizens for no reason, we're on the same side on that issue. I disagree with that. "Onward Cascadia".
Correction - DOMA was not enforced before the Constitutional ruling by advocate judges.
It was law when it was not enforced. So why isn't Obama in jail?
Why isn't he in jail for refusing to enforce immigration laws? Are you guys waiting on a advocate judge to rule that unconstitutional as well?
It is the law, and he should do his job - right?
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: JadeStar
Your question assumes that LGBT people are not acceptable from the very beginning.
That's the problem with it.
No one asks "does being born with red hair automatically make it alright and acceptable just by virtue of having been born that way."
My question actually assumes nothing. You left the land of logic and entered the land of bias and assumptions.
originally posted by: beezzer
Government has no right to determine what an individual wants to do, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of another.
This isn't rocket surgery.
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: beezzer
Government has no right to determine what an individual wants to do, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of another.
This isn't rocket surgery.
What about when it infringes on the first amendment rights of someone freely exercising their religion?
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: muse7
originally posted by: Metallicus
originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Metallicus
Why can't this guy just do his job and not push his beliefs on people?
When did his rights become more important then others?
Why are gay rights more important than religious rights? Bottom line is this is a contrived conflict that could be easily resolved by someone else performing the ceremony. No one has to lose unless the goal is to be vindictive. The only reason we have conflict here is because some a-holes want their pound of flesh.
Are the rights of this judge being violated?
As far as I know he can worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster as long as it doesn't interfere with his job.
The only rights being violated are those of gay people that want to marry and this judge is not allowing them to marry
Why can't the government do their job and start enforcing immigration laws? Why didn't you put Obama in jail when he refused to enforce DOMA? Why are you leftist commies in such a row over a county clerk asserting her 1st amendment rights?
But, more importantly, why did you compare your Same Sex Marriage movement to the Civil Rights Movement and MLK's fight to end segregation? Because you leftist commies wiretapped his phone and put him under surveillance, and used his sex life to drag him through the gutter to undermine the Civil Rights Movement. Just like you are using this county clerk's sex life to drag her through the gutter. You even threw MLK in jail when he asserted his religious convictions too ....
But .. since you are claiming that people should just obey the damn law like good little peasants, can you exp-lain to me in as much detail as possible how 5 unelected judges get to redefine marriage for the whole country without our consent?
Leftist? Commie?
DId I somehow enter an alternate universe where the Internet was invented the 1920s and we're currently in 1955 or something?
Did Stalinist Russia have marriages between gay people? Does capitalist/oligarch Russia have it now?
Do you even know what communism is/was?
BTW: We don't elect Supreme Court justices. We have three branches of government and a separation of powers under the Constitution. This was done to protect everyone's rights under the Constitution. You might want to learn a bit about all that stuff.
Please, refrain from answering a question with a question.
Why isn't Obama in jail for refusing to enforce DOMA?
Duh, because DOMA was ruled unconstitutional. Again, please look up the separation of powers. I'm only 20 years old and I understand them and you strike me as someone a lot older.
As for NSA spying on citizens for no reason, we're on the same side on that issue. I disagree with that. "Onward Cascadia".
Correction - DOMA was not enforced before the Constitutional ruling by advocate judges.
It was law when it was not enforced. So why isn't Obama in jail?
Why isn't he in jail for refusing to enforce immigration laws? Are you guys waiting on a advocate judge to rule that unconstitutional as well?
It is the law, and he should do his job - right?
I believe there were legal challenges against it moving through the courts and there was some real question as to whether it was constitutional in the first place.
What can you tell me was done on a federal level prior to the Supreme Court ruling that violated DOMA?
originally posted by: khnum
The ten commandments and God no longer feature in the court system,the satanists have won,the judge should recuse himself due to a conflict of interest
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: GeisterFahrer
originally posted by: beezzer
Government has no right to determine what an individual wants to do, as long as it does not infringe on the rights of another.
This isn't rocket surgery.
What about when it infringes on the first amendment rights of someone freely exercising their religion?
Except that it doesn't. Furthermore if someone were to deem that it did it would impact the civil rights of other people.
You can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded space for the same reason.
Freedom of the press doesn't mean they can bust down your door for the same reason.
originally posted by: JadeStar
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: JadeStar
Your question assumes that LGBT people are not acceptable from the very beginning.
That's the problem with it.
No one asks "does being born with red hair automatically make it alright and acceptable just by virtue of having been born that way."
My question actually assumes nothing. You left the land of logic and entered the land of bias and assumptions.
Hardly.
Asking whether something is acceptable implies that it is unacceptable. #LanguageAndContextMatters
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
The basis is that LGBT claim they are born that way so it necessarily must be alright. The response is pedophiles are born that way, so is that alright? It's less a rebuttal that makes LGBT wrong, and more one that shows that reasoning is flawed.
Does "being born that way" automatically make it alright and acceptable just by virtue of having been born that way.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
But gay people aren't saying that because they were born that way they are automatically alright.
What they are saying is that they are born the way they are - the same way that heterosexual people are born the way they are. They are specifically comparing themselves to heterosexuals when they make this assertion. They are saying that they did not "choose" to be gay any more than a heterosexual "chooses" to be straight.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
You are taking the argument out of context. Every single time I have heard that argument from a gay person, it was because someone else said that the gay person chose to be gay, so they could choose to be not gay. You don't choose your sexual orientation - it is simply something you were born with. That has ALWAYS been the context of that argument.
• “Its unnatural.” – I think I would know if I made a choice or not. I’m gay. You’re not. You don’t know. I never made a choice. I was literally born this way.
originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: OccamsRazor04
LOL so you found 1 example of a kid who gets the unnatural argument confused with the choice argument. Got any others?
Let me ask you this: do you find logical fault with the argument that one is born with their sexual orientation?