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Court: Transgender Illegal Immigrant Felon Can't Be Deported

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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:10 PM
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But he might vote for the democrat party for Obama giving them all the free stuff and benefits! That is the only reason. You know Obama and his Communist social state effort are in danger when they want to import criminal felons just to add to the pool of voters that have been told all that stuff came from the democrat party , so be sure to vote!

That to me shows Obama doesn't care about Americans in the slightest and if a felon votes and helps his party, and just after voting robs someone and kills them, what is that to him? Nothing.




posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:10 PM
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originally posted by: TsukiLunar
a reply to: neo96

No I am pretty sure they need a gun thanks for the input though even though you're wrong.


Too bad under the 1934 NFA, the 1968 gun control ACT and the BRADY LAW.

Illegals are not allowed to possess firearms.

Neither are FELONS.

And wait for it.

Since that guys mental state leaves much to be desired firearm ownership is VERBOTEN according to the law.

But hey we all know laws don't mean anything anymore.

Wrong about what ?
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: HomerinNC

Any evidence or proof of torture? I'm asking or this a situation in which someone's word is being taken?

Ask Neo, he seems to have been at the hearing.
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:18 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: HomerinNC

Any evidence or proof of torture? I'm asking or this a situation in which someone's word is being taken?

Ask Neo, he seems to have been at the hearing.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


Well now that was funny.

Since no one has provided any proof. Other than just defending a drunk driver because hes a.) illegal b) transgendered.

Nothing else seems to matter.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:18 PM
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So again is there any proof or evidence of torture or is this a take someone's word for it? I ask because if you are illegal and convicted of a felony that's pretty much a one way ticket home. So if there is no proof of torture will making the claim now be the standard for illegals convicted of a felony to stay.. not even about transgendered.

Illegal comes here and rapes a child. Then goes to court to claim he was tortured before and will be Again for being being a pedophile. Any proof requirements? Who gets to claim it? In this case if the pedophile gets to stay for same reason whose neighborhood does he get to move into?



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:22 PM
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originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: HomerinNC

Any evidence or proof of torture? I'm asking or this a situation in which someone's word is being taken?

Ask Neo, he seems to have been at the hearing.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


I haven't seen that stated so I'll go with no in which case this isn't even an issue of torture but rather is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now and there is no proof required. Seems people are arguing for a social justice issue again instead of if this will be a new standard for illegals convicted of felonies claiming torture with no proof to stay.
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:23 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Sremmos80
a reaply to: Phage

A transvestite is: "A person who dresses in a style or manner traditionally associated with the opposite sex."
A transsexual is: "A person who permanently acts the part of and completely identifies with the opposite sex."
source: www.thefreedictionary.com

I am not arguing to arguing's sake. Honestly, if you are a transsexual, don't you have to dress in the style or manner of the opposite sex as part of "acting the part of and completely identifying with the opposite sex?" If so, then in order to be a transsexual you must be a transvestite, unless you are a transsexual who identifies as the opposite sex but is gay.

There was a movie a long time ago called Victor/Victoria. It was about a woman, who played a man, playing a woman on stage.... How do you identify that in real world terms, not performance in costume?





Those definitions are overly simplistic and not the ones any government agency would likely use. And don't even get me started on the nebulous term "transgender" which can mean anything and everything depending on who it is supposed to represent.

The key difference between transvestite and transsexual comes down to the gender identity issue.

A transvestite is usually a straight man. They do not want to be women. It's like cosplay for them.

A transsexual has a physical brain difference in the structure which determines the gender identity of males or females.

One can be a male to female transsexual or a female to male transexual due to that difference: i.e. having a female brain in a male body or having a male brain in a female body.

Most but not all transsexuals have medical procedures done to help them in the form of hormone therapy or surgery to help them in this regard. Legally their birth certificate and other documents reflect the gender they are living as and as such they are the gender they are living as under federal law. This is why transsexuals could marry the sex opposite of their gender for like 35 years despite how they were born. The gay marriage issue was never one of self interest to transsexuals any more than to anyone else who wasn't gay. Transsexual marriages to people of the same sex they were born as were not considered same sex marriages because the person changed their sex legally.

A transvestite has no need for surgery or any sort of legal change in gender. They don't want one either because they have a male brain in a male body and just like to dress as a female for fun, i.e. like cosplay or historical reenactors. They may also do it because it is taboo. For instance there are almost no female to male transvestites because it is not taboo for women to wear mens clothes in most Western Societies.
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:25 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks




and there is no proof required.

Says...you?



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Phage

originally posted by: Reallyfolks
a reply to: HomerinNC

Any evidence or proof of torture? I'm asking or this a situation in which someone's word is being taken?

Ask Neo, he seems to have been at the hearing.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


I haven't seen that stated so I'll go with no in which case this isn't even an issue of torture but rather is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now and there is no proof required. Seems people are arguing for a social justice issue again instead of if this will be a new standard for illegals convicted of felonies claiming torture with no proof to stay.


I posted this earlier in the thread but it was largely ignored.

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s mentioned, f ormal l egal protections for LGBT people in Mexico are relatively strong. S ame - sex marriage is legal in the Federal District, and same - sex unions are also legal in the state of Coahuila. The Federal District’s Civil Code also leaves open the possibility of same - sex adoptions. The Mexican Supreme Court upheld the provisions of the Federal District’s Civil Code allowing sam e - sex marriages, and held that same - sex marriages from the Federal District are valid throughout the country. There are also anti - discrimination laws in place that protect against discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation at the federal level and also in various state laws. The Federal District’s Civil Code also allows individuals to request a new birth certificate if undergoing a sex chang


Federal protections and anti discriminatory LAWS exist in Mexico. So just exactly what this guy trying to 'escape' frfom.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Reallyfolks




and there is no proof required.

Says...you?


No I said there seems to be none in this case and will that be the new standard. Claiming torture and there is no proof required.

It was a serious of questions not what I said, but as usual you chop statements and address them in a manner you think is intelligent. Nothing new, very sad and I'll keep pointing it out



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vroomfondel



So if every felonious illegal alien becomes a cross-dresser, they all get to stay here indefinitely?

You are confusing transvestites with transsexuals.
Grow up.



That's what a TS is pre-op.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:35 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

Sorry, I must have misunderstood when you said this:



I haven't seen that stated so I'll go with no in which case this isn't even an issue of torture but rather is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now and there is no proof required.


Or maybe not.
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:36 PM
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a reply to: Wardaddy454




That's what a TS is pre-op.

No.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:37 PM
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That's what a TS is pre-op.


Read JadeStar's post up there to educate yourself.

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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:37 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vroomfondel



So if every felonious illegal alien becomes a cross-dresser, they all get to stay here indefinitely?

You are confusing transvestites with transsexuals.
Grow up.



That's what a TS is pre-op.


Transsexual duh.

I had female on my birth certificate and driver license before my operation at 17.

As long as there are steps taken to permanently change ones gender they are transsexual by law.
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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Sorry, I must have misunderstood when you said this:



I haven't seen that stated so I'll go with no in which case this isn't even an issue of torture but rather is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now and there is no proof required.


Or maybe not.


It was a question. Is which should have been are. Regardless, is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now now and there is no proof required.

It was a question because there seems to be none in this case and the question was if this is the standard. It's not that hard to follow these threads or keep up with the threads



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:43 PM
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originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Sorry, I must have misunderstood when you said this:



I haven't seen that stated so I'll go with no in which case this isn't even an issue of torture but rather is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now and there is no proof required.


Or maybe not.


It was a question. Is which should have been are. Regardless, is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now now and there is no proof required.

It was a question because there seems to be none in this case and the question was if this is the standard. It's not that hard to follow these threads or keep up with the threads


Proof required that someone is transsexual:

Hormonal therapy or surgical procedures to permanently change one's gender or a therapists letter stating a clear diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

No one can just say "I am a transsexual"



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:44 PM
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a reply to: Reallyfolks

A question to which you opted for "I'll go with no" even though you don't know. You're guessing. Correct?

So, according to....you.


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posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:45 PM
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originally posted by: JadeStar

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Sorry, I must have misunderstood when you said this:



I haven't seen that stated so I'll go with no in which case this isn't even an issue of torture but rather is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now and there is no proof required.


Or maybe not.


It was a question. Is which should have been are. Regardless, is convicted felons who are illegals will be able to claim this now now and there is no proof required.

It was a question because there seems to be none in this case and the question was if this is the standard. It's not that hard to follow these threads or keep up with the threads


Proof required that someone is transsexual:

Hormonal therapy or surgical procedures to permanently change one's gender or a therapists letter stating a clear diagnosis of gender dysphoria.

No one can just say "I am a transsexual"


Proof required that some was tortured or can any illegal convicted of a felony claim it and we just take their word for it. Again forget the transgender aspect for a moment as hard as that may be for some to do.



posted on Sep, 6 2015 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Reallyfolks

A question to which you opted for "I'll go with no" even though you don't know. You're guessing. Correct?

So, according to....you.



That right, I am guessing no proof was required. And my follow up question was if any illegal convicted of a felony will simply be able to claim torture? Again not hard to follow. Unless proof was provided in this case and that will be the standard, in which case question answered. Are you pwi? Posting while intoxicated?




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