Bernie Sanders agreed (voted) with Hillary 93% of the time.

a reply to: Metallicus

I am completely disappointed by the field of candidates we have right now. I know I won't vote for someone who wants more Government. They all seem to want more Government. I don't currently see a good option. Just less bad.

Your not the only one.

CLinton,Sanders,Bush,Trump etc.

It's like a choice between dumb, and dumber, and damn right stupid.

Of course people are free to fight over which is which.

If those are the best this country has to offer?

We are royally screwed.

a reply to: neo96

Says the guy who hasn't got one single fact correct in this whole thread.

Here it is again. In picture form so you don't even need to strain yourself on reading too much.

They aren't the same at all.

a reply to: gladtobehere

They are all Fabian Socialists. In the republican party, in the democratic party -- any divide people THINK they see is smoke and mirrors.

a reply to: mOjOm

I was the one who made the point that all the potential candidates had the same 'cross to bear' being support of Obama.

Your list is obviously a culled one. When compared to Obama policies, the support is close to near identical. Neither has voiced any significant disapproval for Obama or his policies.

As far as voting records go, Obama was against the war in Iraq, if I recall correctly, and look at the results. He has prosecuted the war almost in the exact same path that Bush had set forth...except the pre-mature withdrawing of troops.

Voting records are as choreographed as much as 'life-style', professions, so on, nothing more than a resume. I'm sure your aware of that fact.

From what I can see, Sanders has made not one single substantive proposal that significantly changes the current mess we're in. (To be fair, none of them have....)

a reply to: Gryphon66

Not really. I haven't given that any thought. Sanders keeps his zipper up......

a reply to: mOjOm

Sure are the SAME.

I just love some of these NAY votes especially the ones and the Keystone pipleline that would have put millions of Americans to work.

And I especially love his NAY votes on marriage tax relief.

And even more so those YEA votes on foreign aid

.votesmart.org...

April 17, 2013 S Amdt 714 Limits Firearm Magazine Capacity Amendment Rejected - Senate
(46 - 54) Yea

Hell ole Sanders is an ANTI gunner like CLinton.

a reply to: RomeByFire

You must truly be upset over the state of affairs in American politics today!

Isn't any sane person?

a reply to: gladtobehere

the big difference between Bernie and Hillary is that Bernie has shown himself to be honest.

Yeah, criticize him on his positions, ideology, at least he doesn't lie about it.

Hillary? She lies with the same ease that most of us breathe.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: Reallyfolks

Yah, for the 2 years they were in the Senate together, so what??? That's 2 years out of how many???

Then they go on to detail how they voted opposite each other on Foreign Policy, Immigration, Finance, Energy, Homeland Security and others.

So clearly painting them as being the same is incorrect.

So again, what's your point???

Point is that while you may dive into what it means the average person doesn't. They read a head line say figures and move on. Most voters don't pay much attention until a month out.

Understanding this with a very simple and realistic rebuttal for Sanders that people can understand. But you with your hyper sensitivity with anything you deem to be something said negatively about Sanders can't even recognize what was said. Pretty amusing. Not like he has a chance but if all his supporters are so rabidly defensive, can't tell the difference between a negative statement about him or not. I'm getting the feeling it's a good thing he has no shot if his supporters are like this.

He also votes YES on that wonderful 800 billion stimulus package that was full of pork. Although he voted no on the bailouts the stimulus really wasn't that much better. It was just a bill full of special interest spending.

You might want to take a look at the 7% of the time they voted differently on things, from what I hear they are big issues like the Patriot Act and the Iraq War, to name only two. Other than that, it makes sense that two Democrats would vote similarly most of the time.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: gladtobehere

Bernie Sanders agreed (voted) with Hillary 93% of the time.

Proving again.....they're all cut from the same cloth.

Most votes are just procedural, and for political reasons even many of the ones that aren't will fall along party lines. You're never going to see more than a 20% difference in voting in the same party and usually less than that. So what you should be asking is what's the 7% he disagreed on?

Weird it's like people think Bernie isn't a politician..... Even when they acknowledge him as such, he's an "honest politician"..... Some people here are in need of a serious reality check or to take a look in the mirror.

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

Point is that while you may dive into what it means the average person doesn't. They read a head line say figures and move on. Most voters don't pay much attention until a month out.

I'll take that as a compliment.

Understanding this with a very simple and realistic rebuttal for Sanders that people can understand. But you with your hyper sensitivity with anything you deem to be something said negatively about Sanders can't even recognize what was said. Pretty amusing. Not like he has a chance but if all his supporters are so rabidly defensive, can't tell the difference between a negative statement about him or not. I'm getting the feeling it's a good thing he has no shot if his supporters are like this.

It's not something negative about Sanders. It's something Incorrect about Sanders and that's not what irritates me. What get annoying is your refusal to look at the facts presented which counter your opinion. Then you continue to repeat that same erroneous opinion as if it's still valid.

You are using a talking point to base your entire position from. 93% same voting record to then claim Hillary, Sanders and Obama are all voting the same. However when it's shown to you that that 93% isn't as important as it sounds for various reasons you just ignore it and move on. I've shown multiple times that their voting records and positions, especially when most important are not the same. It's just a fact, although it's a fact that you find out only by reading past the title of something. You must read the content as well.

You're also not considering the fact that "of course they're going to be the same on some issues" because he's left leaning as are Democrats. But when it shows him opposing major issues like Immigration, Bank Bailouts, War, etc. That's a wide spectrum of voting difference and isn't just simply something you can ignore for your talking point.

originally posted by: jheated5
Weird it's like people think Bernie isn't a politician..... Even when they acknowledge him as such, he's an "honest politician"..... Some people here are in need of a serious reality check or to take a look in the mirror.

Wow man....You wanna know something even more weird??? They're all politicians.....Pretty far out, huh??

People say he's honest because it's verifiable as far as his public service is considered. You see, you can actually verify when an elected official says one thing and does another. Bernie has a good record of saying what he means and doing what he says. You can look stuff up.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

Point is that while you may dive into what it means the average person doesn't. They read a head line say figures and move on. Most voters don't pay much attention until a month out.

I'll take that as a compliment.

Understanding this with a very simple and realistic rebuttal for Sanders that people can understand. But you with your hyper sensitivity with anything you deem to be something said negatively about Sanders can't even recognize what was said. Pretty amusing. Not like he has a chance but if all his supporters are so rabidly defensive, can't tell the difference between a negative statement about him or not. I'm getting the feeling it's a good thing he has no shot if his supporters are like this.

It's not something negative about Sanders. It's something Incorrect about Sanders and that's not what irritates me. What get annoying is your refusal to look at the facts presented which counter your opinion. Then you continue to repeat that same erroneous opinion as if it's still valid.

You are using a talking point to base your entire position from. 93% same voting record to then claim Hillary, Sanders and Obama are all voting the same. However when it's shown to you that that 93% isn't as important as it sounds for various reasons you just ignore it and move on. I've shown multiple times that their voting records and positions, especially when most important are not the same. It's just a fact, although it's a fact that you find out only by reading past the title of something. You must read the content as well.

You're also not considering the fact that "of course they're going to be the same on some issues" because he's left leaning as are Democrats. But when it shows him opposing major issues like Immigration, Bank Bailouts, War, etc. That's a wide spectrum of voting difference and isn't just simply something you can ignore for your talking point.

What are you even talking about ???? Do you even know? What opinion are you referring to? Can you get a clue. The article came out, 93% of the votes were the same. Most people see a head line and do not dive into what it means. Most people don't pay attention. I then wrote up what a quick rebuttal for Sanders would be to the article considering that. What exactly do you think I said or my opinion is of him. I don't care about Sanders or trump or anyone running. You get Clinton or Bush when it's done. Do you even know what you are posting as far as what I posted to start with?

originally posted by: Reallyfolks

What are you even talking about ???? Do you even know?

Ummm...well, it's all written down right there for ya. If you read it you'll know what I'm talking about. That's about as much as I can help ya.

stop being sheep.. These so called forms of government are inevitable to the destruction of a country. I would have thought by 2015 the world would have woken up to the playbook of world domination. Governments, in the beginning, start out as free societies. But then, the same dirty hands that control the power use free socities to infiltrate their governments, manipulate their economies and self worth, and then tell people they need socialism to take care of them. After socialism takes hold the same powerfull corrupting forces controlling the scenes from behind will steal, spend, and destroy the value of the currency further, until even socilaism is no longer sustainable. You see the government wants you to feel desperate and hopeless to the point that you will vote for their solution to the problem which is never in favcor of ordinary people.

After socialism comes, people will still be bickering over material things. Government will say we need radical changes to make society fair and affordable. For example john will bicker that scott has more than him and the only solution will be all out communism.

Bernie Sanders seems a down to earth kind of guy with good intentions, but beware, idealists these days are the first to fall once they sit in the chair and realize whats really going on, dont be easily decieved..