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originally posted by: Semicollegiate
A nice thing about logic is that a reasonable conclusion is reasonable no matter what your subconscious does to you.
That is why reason is so important to the advancement of permanently increasing human knowledge.
Eh, I don't know. When you are good at it, you can rationalize just about anything, no matter what the actual source was.
originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
No, it really is that simple. If it doesnt cause you to act, its not a primary motivator behind your actions. If it does cause you to act, it is the primary motive behind your actions. ........decisions are made primarily by the conscious mind, in fully conscious individuals, and it is perfectly possible for those decisions to be absent of any shadowy demiurges as you and Nietzsche believe influence all our choices.
That's not to say individuals never act on demiurges, rather it is to refute the sophistry that assumes no conscious being is capable of fully conscious action.
And that fully conscious action don't exist.
To think every thought and action as always having subconscious connotation and demiurges behind them is not an insight, its an obsession.
originally posted by: nonjudgementalist
But that's just pure insanity... How can one say one knows anything about the true nature of the mind, or another person's mind, if by your own interpretation of the nature of the mind, it is impossible to know anything about even ones own mind???
originally posted by: Bluesma
originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Bluesma
That's why putting all the power in the hands of one individual is very dangerous. Society turns into a swarm of sycophants who would give just about anything to experience a few more moments of that empathic relationship, until they are literally mauling each other in a competition for the most prime proximity.
Consider one-on-one relationships-
the teacher and student? The parent and child!
I do want to have power over my small child. I perceive they need it and it helps them. I think they want that from me too.
When I am in power over them, they feel safe, and they are drawn to that power as well, as something they would like to have themselves one day, and can learn about it through empathizing with me, watching how I use it, feeling being on the receiving end of it. Is there anything really dangerous about that?
Expressing power over another is not inherently or universally destructive or dangerous.
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: UniFinity
Plants have physical bodies too, they have cells and nuclei which make up the plant and is considered its corporeal form as do fungi as do animals !
They have physical properties without which they wouldn't have consciousness.
. In several dialogues, most notably the Republic, Socrates inverts the common man's intuition about what is knowable and what is real. While most people take the objects of their senses to be real if anything is, Socrates is contemptuous of people who think that something has to be graspable in the hands to be real. In the Theaetetus, he says such people are "eu a-mousoi", an expression that means literally, "happily without the muses"
In other words, such people live without the divine inspiration that gives him, and people like him, access to higher insights about reality. Socrates's idea that reality is unavailable to those who use their senses is what puts him at odds with the common man, and with common sense. Socrates says that he who sees with his eyes is blind, and this idea is most famously captured in his allegory of the cave, and more explicitly in his description of the divided line.
Socrates says in the Republic that people who take the sun-lit world of the senses to be good and real are living pitifully in a den of evil and ignorance. Socrates admits that few climb out of the den, or cave of ignorance, and those who do, not only have a terrible struggle to attain the heights, but when they go back down for a visit or to help other people up, they find themselves objects of scorn and ridicule.