Pseudo-Philosophy and Mysticism

a reply to: Itisnowagain

Anything can see me. A bird, for instance. I'm not invisible.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Seeing is an action performed by beings with eyes.

This is just words - have you looked to see what is seeing or are you just spouting words?

Yes those are words. I thought we were speaking about seeing.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Anything can see me. A bird, for instance. I'm not invisible.

I am not talking about what can see you!
I am asking - what is seeing this text right now? Can what is seeing this text be seen?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Seeing is an action performed by beings with eyes.

This is just words - have you looked to see what is seeing or are you just spouting words?

Yes those are words. I thought we were speaking about seeing.

I feel you are avoiding - is this an honest investigation or are you just playing dumb?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Anything can see me. A bird, for instance. I'm not invisible.

I am not talking about what can see you!
I am asking - what is seeing this text right now? Can what is seeing this text be seen?

I cannot see my own eyes if that's what you're asking. Can you hear your ears?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Seeing is an action performed by beings with eyes.

This is just words - have you looked to see what is seeing or are you just spouting words?

Yes those are words. I thought we were speaking about seeing.

I feel you are avoiding - is this an honest investigation or are you just playing dumb?

And I thought you were playing dumb. I'm not sure what it is you are talking about.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Anything can see me. A bird, for instance. I'm not invisible.

I am not talking about what can see you!
I am asking - what is seeing this text right now? Can what is seeing this text be seen?

I cannot see my own eyes if that's what you're asking. Can you hear your ears?

It is not eyes that see - if it were then when the body dies the eye should still be able to see.
Ears do not hear - cut an ear off - can the ear alone hear?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
I am asking - what is seeing this text right now? Can what is seeing this text be seen?

I am what is seeing the text.
A bird can see me.
Therefor, what is seeing the text can be seen.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Seeing is an action performed by beings with eyes.

This is just words - have you looked to see what is seeing or are you just spouting words?

Yes those are words. I thought we were speaking about seeing.

I feel you are avoiding - is this an honest investigation or are you just playing dumb?

And I thought you were playing dumb. I'm not sure what it is you are talking about.

So if you do not know what I am talking about would it not be intelligent to say - I don't know what you are talking about please elaborate. But no, you guess or go to what you think might be a good answer.
If you don't know - it is not intelligent to pretend you do.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

Seeing is an action performed by beings with eyes.

This is just words - have you looked to see what is seeing or are you just spouting words?

Yes those are words. I thought we were speaking about seeing.

I feel you are avoiding - is this an honest investigation or are you just playing dumb?

And I thought you were playing dumb. I'm not sure what it is you are talking about.

So if you do not know what I am talking about would it not be intelligent to say - I don't know what you are talking about please elaborate. But no, you guess or go to what you think might be a good answer.
If you don't know - it is not intelligent to pretend you do.

You just don't like the answer. Being s with eyes see. Beings with eyes can be seem. I Thought you'd be able to figure it out. Maybe i am unintelligent for thinking you could.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
I am asking - what is seeing this text right now? Can what is seeing this text be seen?

I am what is seeing the text.
A bird can see me.
Therefor, what is seeing the text can be seen.

You say 'I am what is seeing the bird' and then assume that the bird can see you.
But have you seen what is seeing right here and right now? Have you found anything to see when searching for what is seeing this text?
What was found when seeking the seeing?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
I am asking - what is seeing this text right now? Can what is seeing this text be seen?

I am what is seeing the text.
A bird can see me.
Therefor, what is seeing the text can be seen.

You say 'I am what is seeing the bird' and then assume that the bird can see you.
But have you seen what is seeing right here and right now? Have you found anything to see when searching for what is seeing this text?
What was found when seeking the seeing?

Birds can see human beings. That is not an assumption, but an observable fact.

I can see myself, yes.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


I can see myself, yes.

What does 'myself' refer to? Two eyes, two ears, two legs, a brain in a skull? Not sure what you mean when you say 'I can see myself'?
Please can you elaborate?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

If you ask dumb questions, you're going to get dumb answers, Itsnowagain. Plead your case. Share your observations, your conclusions, and how you reached them. Show, don't tell.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


I can see myself, yes.

What does 'myself' refer to? Two eyes, two ears, two legs, a brain in a skull? Not sure what you mean when you say 'I can see myself'?
Please can you elaborate?

I can see my hand, for instance.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


I can see myself, yes.

What does 'myself' refer to? Two eyes, two ears, two legs, a brain in a skull? Not sure what you mean when you say 'I can see myself'?
Please can you elaborate?

I can see my hand, for instance.

The hand is what is seen - but what is seeing the hand?
The point I am trying to make is that what you really are will never appear - you are the seeing. Everything there is is appearing within the seeing. You do not appear in this movie (play of light - Maya/Lila).

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


I can see myself, yes.

What does 'myself' refer to? Two eyes, two ears, two legs, a brain in a skull? Not sure what you mean when you say 'I can see myself'?
Please can you elaborate?

I can see my hand, for instance.

The hand is what is seen - but what is seeing the hand?
The point I am trying to make is that what you really are will never appear - you are the seeing. Everything there is is appearing within the seeing. You do not appear in this movie (play of light - Maya/Lila).

Yes I know your point. You've stated it to me many times, and we've gone over this. The hand and the eyes are of the same organism, the same thing, the same "me". It can both see and can be seen. Go look in a mirror, run your hands over your body, take a picture or something. Observe yourself. You can feel, smell, see and hear what sees.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Observe yourself.

What is it that is observing? And what is 'yourself'?
Are you not the observer - the seer? If you seek that which is seeing this text directly, it cannot be seen - heard, tasted or touched.

Nothing can appear outside the seeing, knowing presence. The all seeing, all knowing presence never appears to be seen so it is overlooked.

Geez guys, nice OT the whole subject

originally posted by: yulka
Geez guys, nice OT the whole subject

It is a little vague.
Could you elaborate please?