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Child, 11, kills home invasion suspect in north St. Louis

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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 04:00 AM
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a reply to: hutch622

I've seen that life, it took me all of a lil bit of reading to see the red paint on a white wall. I will NEVER EVER glorify thug justice. I only hope they can finish themselves off quick enough.




posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 04:17 AM
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originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: hutch622

video is there for me, but the ENTIRE text is redacted. I clicked this link this


Yep totally different innuendo/story from what was first reported.


Another neighbor two doors down from the shooting offers a similar account.

Jazmyne Clark, 18, said the 11-year-old was on the front porch when he called to the 16-year-old to approach him. She said the teen might have been seeking to sell the younger child a cellphone. When the 16-year-old reached the front door, Clark said, the 11-year-old shot him, with the teen falling forward into the open front door.

“He was never in the house,” Clark said. “He wasn’t breaking in at all. He was just trying to sell him his phone.”

Clark said the 11-year-old had been in front of the house earlier in the day waving a gun around. She said that the boy had caused problems in the neighborhood before and that this kind of thing was bound to happen eventually.

Another neighbor, Anna Carvin, 25, said the 11-year-old had previously broke into her own home and stole cellphones.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 04:34 AM
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a reply to: 727Sky

Developing news story i suppose , but it doesnt take away from the fact that so many of our members were oh so happy to see this 16 year old dead . Quite sad really . And what is more sad is not one person will turn around and now grieve for the 16 year old , or admit they may have been wrong . Or that biggest of ATS sins ,admit they believed the MSMs first reports . People were happy the kid died . Sad , no beyond sad .
To the unknown to me 16 year old , may you rest in peace .
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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 04:53 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: hutch622

I read the link, and that information was not on it last I checked.

I have now read the page again, and it seems to be more detailed and offering a different version of events. If those differing views are accurate, then my position, obviously, changes commensurate with that.


I looked at that link as well. It was changed around the end of page 4 of this thread, when everyone was still congratulating the shooter, and offering psychiatric solutions toward childhood resolution. Bait and switch, I thought. You see how that reads compared to the first (original) story? Ages, scenario, motives; everything is different. Uh-uh.

These are our 'journalists', I mean media minions, at work undermining the fabric, sawing at the legs of the table, of our culture. They were drawing us out, to be made fools of. This back and forth dynamic is set to fatigue the mettle of our resolve.

Either they lied initially, or they are lying now. I know that the new improved version is simply the complete opposite of the first.
How is this even possible?

Not great options, but it's not our problem; it is theirs.

Shame to them either way. I know not what to believe but I will make up my own mind, as ever.

This is shady, and I am inclined to believe initial reports.

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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 04:55 AM
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Just another example of the necessity of education,let a large populace grow without the right kind of nurturing and voila !.....raise a single child without an education and values you end up with a monster,it is no different for a society no matter how large it grows



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:00 AM
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originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Ok 20 is still pretty young.
Never heard of a 20 year old turning his life around?

Agreed the kid did what he felt he needed to do. Just think any celebration of death is a dark road to head down. These kids could of been harmed, but the flip side is the family might just be missing a tv. No the kid should not have to wait and find out just we are already painting the 20 year old as someone would have killed and raped based on nothing.



Its not celebrating death, its celebrating that the kid and his sister are alive. I mean they could have been killed for any reason for all we know. But if you wanna take it that way because sensibilities fine.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:08 AM
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a reply to: hutch622

And if that is the case, then my heart goes out to the victim. Clearly the investigation into any criminal culpability is ongoing, and the ballistics evidence, as well as blood evidence, and GSR, particularly the location in which the GSR is located, will make clear the truth of this matter. I hope to God it is not the case that an eleven year old took it into his head to just off a guy for no reason, but if it is, I suppose it would not be the first time a child has done something entirely repugnant. Who could forget the awful crime of Venables and Thompson, the murderers of James Bulger during the 90s?

They tortured Bulger, a toddler, to death beside some train tracks in Liverpool, when they were ten and eleven years of age respectively. The things they did to that child are so abominable as to induce nausea in the strongest stomach. Before we go down that road, a very dark and gloomy avenue to be sure, it might be wise to see what comes of this investigation, since the thing has taken on such a different shape since the initial story broke.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: hutch622

Truth is paramount and the development of this case is a testament to that.

I'm sure you can appreciate that my comments were made on the basis of the original contents of the article and it appears witnesses to the event counter that story and that on their testimony the 11 year old may have used entrapment which resulted in the death of the individual.....if so, that is totally unacceptable and I withdraw my support for him.

I will not however, withdraw my personal stance (as a non-US citizen but very much entrenched in US economics and social aspects) to support the 2nd amendment and the right to bear arms.

I have never owned anything that shoots bullets.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:22 AM
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a reply to: Sublimecraft

haha you went all official, we all went 180 once the details came out.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:23 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




Venables and Thompson


Very aware of those 2 TB . They were let out at 18 or something if i remember , and given identity protection if i remember right , correct if wrong it was a long time ago . And you are right , this child is not guilty yet so lets not hang him as some might have done to the 16 year old .



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:24 AM
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I'm sure you can appreciate that my comments were made on the basis of the original contents of the article


Already apologised to the great people of ATS for that .



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:28 AM
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a reply to: hutch622

To be fair, we would have "hung" the sixteen year old deceased, if it had been clear that he died in the commission of a home invasion. If he died just going about his day, because a child took it into his head to take a life out of the blue, then the context changes, and so would any reasonable opinion on the topic. Context here is everything.

Regarding Venables and Thompson, you have the right of it there, although I believe Venables was recalled to jail after child porn charges were bought against him, on top of several arrests for drug possession and general violence and fighting. That was in 2010, so for all I know, he could be out again.
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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 05:40 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Not attempting to derail here just a reply to yourself .




Now Venables, 32, is back in the spotlight after a British newspaper discovered he had joined a dating website, scouting for potential girlfriends who had no inkling of his dark past.
According to The Sunday Mirror, women communicating with Venables through the site will be unaware of his past because of laws upholding the new identity he was given for his own protection.
Child protection experts feared the situation could turn into an opportunity for Venables to gain access to offspring of women he could potentially date


www.news.com.au...



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: hutch622

just logged in and was going to check for updates on the article. i see you posted it, and there seems to be a alternative story.

i guess it could true, but just few things bother me.

first, if the boy was out side waving the gun around, and she The 18 year old Clark saw him doing it. why didn't she call the cops?

if she saw the 18 year old Clark saw him waving the gun around, why didn't she warn the now 16 yrs old again walking with his buddy if she really thought that the 11 yr old was as her words " had caused problems in the neighborhood before and that this kind of thing was bound to happen eventually. could have prevented this from happening if she would have called earlier?

if the 16 year old saw the boy with the gun and they had words, why would he walk up to him?

if the cops have the other guy in custody surly he would have told them the same story that the neighbors did, if that's what happened. why is there any question to what the buddy saw or knows, if you look at the bottom of the update you see this,


When asked if the police still stood by the home-invasion account, Schellman said: When asked if the police still stood by the home-invasion account, Schellman said: “Until we’ve talked to everybody, I don’t know if we can contradict or back off of that right now.” Earlier, police said the person who accompanied the 16-year-old was in custody Earlier, police said the person who accompanied the 16-year-old was in custody
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you would think that if the two walking had no bad intentions and were just walking down the street, he would have said something to that effect and that with the statements of two other witnesses, that would be enough for the cops to say that there is reason to doubt or contradict the boys story.

plus if they were trying to sell him a cell phone, how come no mention of the phones being found?

i'll be watching this one.










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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 09:20 AM
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1. Good job kid!
2. Some children are capable of far more than people give them credit for. It's only fairly recently that society has held this be-up-their-ass-until-they're-30 mentality. Back in the day kids were literally working, taking care of younger siblings, hunting for food, etc. etc. It all depends on the maturity of the child. And it should be up to the parents to judge that maturity. OBVIOUSLY this 11 year old was plenty mature to be head of household while mom was at work or running errands. My 6 year old daughter is very mature and I could leave her home alone for short periods of time. My son, on the other hand, I'm not going to trust him until legally I have to (18). Lol!
3. For those quick to condemn the mom for leaving the kids alone...instead of being mad at her, how about working to provide free after school care? Child care is ridiculously expensive and if you don't have family to help watch your kids it's darn near impossible to afford 'professionals'.
4. For those worried about long term effects on this boy....maybe he'll be traumatized, maybe not. I happen to think it will give him a sense of profound ability to protect oneself. He'll go on in life with the confidence that he can handle his business. It's when kids are victimized that they feel horrible, long term damaging emotions like helplessness and depression and self loathing.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 09:22 AM
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originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: hutch622

video is there for me, but the ENTIRE text is redacted. I clicked this link this


Yep totally different innuendo/story from what was first reported.


Another neighbor two doors down from the shooting offers a similar account.

Jazmyne Clark, 18, said the 11-year-old was on the front porch when he called to the 16-year-old to approach him. She said the teen might have been seeking to sell the younger child a cellphone. When the 16-year-old reached the front door, Clark said, the 11-year-old shot him, with the teen falling forward into the open front door.

“He was never in the house,” Clark said. “He wasn’t breaking in at all. He was just trying to sell him his phone.”

Clark said the 11-year-old had been in front of the house earlier in the day waving a gun around. She said that the boy had caused problems in the neighborhood before and that this kind of thing was bound to happen eventually.

Another neighbor, Anna Carvin, 25, said the 11-year-old had previously broke into her own home and stole cellphones.


....never mind. Omit my last post. This is a completely different scenario than I was picturing.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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Well the story certainly seemed clear-cut but now it's fishy as hell.

It sounds like the neighbors have an agenda against this family. How is it that so many neighbors happened to be outside at the exact moment that this happened? How is it that this neighborhood problem child was outside waving a gun around and no one called the cops? How is it that this neighborhood problem child was not already known to the police if he's been breaking into houses? Who tries to "sell a cell phone" to an 11 year old when they are certainly not known for having money? Why didn't the 21 year old immediately tell the cops this story so they could go apprehend the 11 year old? Usually when the story from "witnesses" is outlandish and doesn't add up, there's a very good reason.

As we saw in the Michael Brown case, eyewitness testimony is worthless. How many times have we heard "they shot that boy and he didn't do anything wrong"? I'll wait to see what the police decide.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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If someone breaks into my home...MY home, I'm not going to try and deduce their intent, my tv...I don't care about my T.V., but in my home MY life is > then their's. You don't want to get shot? Simple, DO NOT COME UNINVITED INTO MY HOME. Their intent is irrelevant, you roll the dice by breaking the law and breaking into someone's home, in this case he lost. I'm tired of people defending people that break the law, FFS.

This is no way directed personally at you by the way, and I 100% that the death of the kid should not be celebrated. The sad truth of the matter is, the kid brought it on himself by breaking the law, and for that reason I won't shed a tear for him, but nor will I say good riddance, kids do stupid things.

ETA: If the 11yr old did do all that other stuff, then shame on him and his mom, and they should both be prosecuted. But I still stand by what I said regarding anyone coming into my house uninvited.
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posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 01:10 PM
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I was going to comment earlier, until I saw that this might not be as straight forward as was originally reported.
I'm not going to go into specifics on this particular situation, instead I want to address some of the previous posts.

If somebody forcibly enters my house, I am going to shoot them. That's it plain and simple.

For those of you who were throwing around the statistics from some report, consider one thing. Those numbers that you were using be it 84 or 840 were people, not numbers. I am not going to wait to see what the intentions of the person or persons who broke into my house are. As far as I am concerned they have already stated their intentions.

For those of you who are going to ask me if my belongings are worth someone's life, you are asking the wrong person. You should be asking the person or persons who break into my house. By their actions of breaking into my house, I am going to assume that they think that what is in my house is worth their life.

For those who say that the person or persons who break into my house are teenagers and have time to change their ways, my answer is "I DON'T CARE."

The problem is that there is a tendency to blame the person who is defending themselves, their family and their property for what happens. Why? They don't make the decision to have somebody break into their house. Some of you will say that it is their fault for having nice things. Really?

My entire point here is whether it is 84, 840 or some other number, people are killed by people who break into their homes and I don't intend for myself or my family to be one of those numbers.



posted on Sep, 4 2015 @ 01:17 PM
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What the hell!

The kid and his sister should just dialed 911 and hid in a closet, and waited for the police to come save them!

End sarcasm.

Poor kid did the right thing. Probably will mess him up for the rest of his life.



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