Child, 11, kills home invasion suspect in north St. Louis

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Vector99

They really don't though, they end up with your stuff being gone most of them time.

www.bjs.gov...

In the scope of they study rape and homicide were pretty low.

To those who view breaking and entering as a viable income, the lines of violent actions(assault, rape, murder) aren't that hard to cross for some. Bottom line, if someone has the stones to break into a home, not caring if occupied, violence is a real possibility. Again, kudos to the lad who protected his little sister.

a reply to: Sremmos80

25% of all victims incurred some form of violent victimization is a low number?

a reply to: Vector99
That counts simple injuries as violent as well, making up like 15% of that 25. You asked about homicide though which is what I said was low.

a reply to: Sremmos80

tell that to these people family.
Bank Manager Testifies She Called Police to Help Save Conn. Family

granted the cops might have been able to stop it, but it is plain to see that these two had planned on no witnesses.
now if someone had owned a gun and knew how to use it, it might have ended differently

a reply to: Sremmos80

The statistical number was 3.7 million per year. The statistics seem a bit off saying 7% resulted in murder. That's almost 200k murders in one year by home invasion, when the actual murder numbers were around 16k. source

That tends to happen when government pays people to do studies finding results they want to see.

a reply to: hounddoghowlie

Who says they would of made it to said gun?

Or is there only one side to that hypothetical?

And I've said what I have had to say.

I agree the kid did what he felt he needed do, the only point was I found it disturbing that we celebrate the death.

a reply to: Sremmos80

chance are they would have, most people keep their gun where they can reach it fast, that's one of the main things one does when they get one for home defense. find a place to keep it so they can get it fast. and you know what, i would dare say that they are loaded and one in the chamber.

a reply to: Vector99

The 3.7 was over the four years not one.

And hounddog yes in the perfect world they get to it.

Or you can be like some that keep them in a safe because they have kids.
I know all people are different but just saying if we are going to make up situations we get to make up other possibilities too.

Last one for real, just wanted double check on that 3.7 mil number.

a reply to: Sremmos80

no, per year

An estimated 3.7 million household burglaries occurred each year on average from 2003 to 2007.

each year

Your source

a reply to: Vector99

Oh my bad, I guess I misread that. Thanks for the clarification.
Where does it say 7% is murder?

In 7% of all household burglaries, a household member
experienced some form of violent victimization (figure 1).

Here is the 7%.
And here is what they say about homicide.

According to the FBI's Supplementary Homicide Reports, 430
burglary-related homicides occurred between 2003 and 2007 on
average annually. This number translates to less than 1% of all
homicides during that period.

Maybe we both had some misreading issues.

a reply to: Sremmos80

You are right, it said robbery at 7%, I can't find any homicide/murder stats in the report. So I guess none of the victims were murdered, or just maybe we are referencing a flawed/biased study.

a reply to: Vector99
Did you just ignore the rest of the post about the percentages of homicides?

It is there and there was some.

You keep calling if flawed and biased.
Who do you want the stats from?
Actually nm, I was suppose to be done here already.

a reply to: Sremmos80

Found it. .004%, or around 8,400

Between 2003 and 2007, approximately 2.1 million household
burglaries were reported to the FBI each year on average.
Household burglaries ending in homicide made up 0.004% of all
burglaries during that period.

That means 1/2 of the homicides per year were committed during home invasions. Does that number seem low to you still?

a reply to: Vector99

How do you turn 0.004 in 8k? Especially when the number that 0.004% represents is right next to the number
You posted earlier that the number is 16k, 8k is 50% of that.

430 burglary-related homicides occurred between 2003 and 2007 on
average annually.

a reply to: Sremmos80

re-read my last reply. The quote. 2.1 million burglaries reported, .004% resulted in homicide. The report actually contradicts itself in the same paragraph. .004% of 2.1 million is 8,400. Homicides were estimated around 16,000.

originally posted by: Ozsheeple
a reply to: hounddoghowlie

the kids 11, it will probably will mess him up

I don't know ? Kids 11,12,13,14, and up to 20 killed their parents and anyone else Pol Pot told them to. They run the country or townships in Cambodia now.. Many People kidnap and brain wash the young to fight for a cause... Start them out early for political or religious B.S. with the killing to follow thereafter... At least this was a simple robbery in progress. Pretty cut and dried between right and wrong..

a reply to: Vector99
Yes I see you wanted to take out the part that shows the actual number using the right numbers.
8,400 is 0.4%
84 is 0.4%.

a reply to: Sremmos80

You are right math error on my part.

2,100,000 * .004 = 8400
2,100,000 * .004% = 84

everyone forgets a math sign here and there.

What in the world happened to this thread?
Everybody's text is missing, with only the punctuation left and some sparse links...?
However the stars are left in place...
Is it only my problem, or did this thread go completely wonky?

Hah! As I preview my reply, my post has the same problem...?????????
WTF?

a reply to: Sremmos80

Better the suspect than the kids inside the residence.